I know, I know.

It may not seem like it, but I've finally fairly caught up, and I'm balancing as best I can here.

This was a post that caught my eye. After lurking most of D1/D2 and seemingly not understanding why players were calling him out for lurking (mostly on D2), babark is the first player to post and not just post but vote on D3. In my estimation, his play has changed significantly. Why? Possible coaching from a scum team?

@babark - Why such a change between your play on D1/D2 and today? Do you see a difference?

I'm not sure what I think of adalia's play today, but I did wonder if he hit on something here:

It comes back to this my sort of "lurking" (posting once or twice every two days) apparently being a scummy tactic. If I had had coaching, I'd hope it would have been sooner and better than this :D.
My suspicions have been approximately the same since day 1, and I feel drealmer7's behaviour has also been the same, which is why it seems odd to me how people oscillate between voting en masse and not voting for him. I just happened to be there when D3 dawned to voice my question.
drealmer7 and trentonlf's extreme animosity is another oddity to me, even more so compounded by the fact that neither have seriously voted for the other. Your revelations confused me a bit, but It think I'll stick with my trentonlf vote for now, although drealmer7 still seems scummy, apparently he behaved the same in previous sessions as well.

That's fair. I agree about the animosity and I understand why you would find either one scummy. I'm open to either one being scum. However, both players have placed at least one serious vote (from my understanding of serious) on one another.

@all - I am not a fan of adalia being at L-2. I happen to agree that if we mis-lynch today, we will likely lose. Not necessarily tonight, but we'll be too far behind to outlast scum. I'm getting the feeling that scum are jumping on this one. Will revisit this tomorrow (technically today), it's time for bed.

I know, but everyone makes mistakes some times.

Unvote babark
Vote yogsloth

No analysis, no attempt to explain multiple PMs from mod, and a jump on to me after I mention it (with a roll the dice comment no less, I've been lynched for the same in the past)

I think most of the people on my wagon are likely town, but yogs feels like he's scum hoping to push it that last step into becoming a lynch.

Wonderful contributory post. Thank you! You're really getting the hang of it now I think and are well on your way to being a valuable player.

I'm totally all about trent's lynch, and the reason I'm not voting him is because there seemed to be no other players who also think (or have expressed such, anyway) he is a good lynch candidate (except you!) I've made my case for him multiple times and my position has not changed and everyone is aware of that. If he looked like he had a viable wagon I'd be on it in a heartbeat. However, currently, I'm also quite comfortable with adalia, as he and trent are my top 2 suspects far above anyone else (HSL swings hard both directions and I'm having a very difficult time making up my mind on him, which is fine, I don't really want to have it made up, it's good to remain open.) If adalia lynches today and I'm alive tomorrow, I'll be one of the first on trent's wagon and pushing his lynch unless in the interim someone takes his spot at #1.

I'll agree that, regardless if you're Evil or not, yogsloth is the most likely Evil on your wagon. If you're both Evil it is an easy spot for him to bus you, and your response about him possibly being scum actually clears him a bit for the future if you're both scum. Which means it doesn't clear him at all, for me. He's actually jumped high up the suspicion list for me (not because of your post, but because of his posts since entering.)

Frankly it does.

I admit I've read you as town from the beginning-ish. Your comment regarding my "buddying" was key early on. Since then you have been doing a bang up job as a vanilla townie...... in my opinion.



I also wonder if my avatar will kick in before the game is over.

Well, if you're thinking what I'm thinking you're thinking about what I'm thinking, it was what would make the most sense to me. Doesn't look to be the case though.


And I'll third this. In the meantime I'm going to do some rereading on both CSPVG and yogsloth.



Interesting. More interesting is yogsloth's reaction...



[emphasis added]

How do you know it's a fact?



So, you're not going to waste a NK on me, eh?

In your post #788 you said there are others that seem more likely to be scum. Anything you'd like to share with us?


Hmmm..., how long are you giving it before game-over?

In case anyone's wondering about his current avatar, here it is.

Not now, but I'll most likely kill you in the morning.

Suspects include but not limited to: adasslimu, babark, lotsofchickenwings, yogsPVG.

So just to clarify.. you think me, trent, HSL and yogs (and possibly Bookwyrm, somehow) are all scum?
And you don't find any issue with any of that?

Gotcha.

Plus I like how you throw in a 'if I'm alive tomorrow' as if scum would bother wasting a NK on you when you've been doing their job for them all game...

Funny, that's almost exactly what you said to adaliabooks when he joined the game.

Would you care to elaborate on why these players are suspects?


OK, I've done a reread on both CSPVG and yogsloth, but would like to hear from yogsloth before saying anything.


And my recent exchanges with RWarehall got me to also do a reread on JMich, and in addition to what I've already said, here are a couple more things.

Remember when adaliabooks said that Bookwyrm627 can't be lynched or NK-ed? That was in post #654.
Bookwyrm627 questioned him about it in his post #658, and revealed that Spectres can't be NK-ed in his post #663.

Rewind to almost the beginning of D2, and we have JMich's post #<span class="bold">477</span> [emphasis added]: That was way before the exchange between adaliabooks and Bookwyrm627, and the revelation by the latter that Spectres can't be NK-ed, yet here we have JMich stating that Bookwyrm627 not only can't be lynched (as per the D2 opening post), but that he also can't be (night)killed.

Does this make him scum-buddies with adaliabooks?
The only reaction JMich had regarding adaliabooks recent comments is post #832 where he appears to be questioning adaliabooks soft-claim, and seems to be implying that the slip adaliabooks talked about is his own.
What is of note to me is how JMich worded this post to make this point [emphasis added]: This is, as drealmer7 would say, misrepresenting (at best) what adaliabooks said in his post #817 [emphasis added]: Is this town-JMich catching scum-adaliabooks in a contradiction or slip? Why would he need to twist the latter's words in this case?
Is this scum-JMich seeing scum-buddy adaliabooks getting himself into serious trouble, and hence distancing, and perhaps laying the ground for bussing closer to deadline?
Is it scum-JMich seeing town-adaliabooks getting himself into serious trouble, and thus gently pushing for his lynch?

It sure doesn't make JMich look any better, imho.

@yogs

Can you please explain why you have "multiple PMs". As far as I can see it's the most self-incriminating evidence.

Currently i read as town: HSL, Drealmer7, Trent, flubb, and Worm/ Cristi

Learning scum: adaliabooks, Jmich, babark

Undecided: yogs / RW


I agree with HSL, that currenlty the most scum-buddy interaction looks to be adaliabooks and JMich regarding: post 882 "That was way before the exchange between adaliabooks and Bookwyrm627, and the revelation by the latter that Spectres can't be NK-ed, yet here we have JMich stating that Bookwyrm627 not only can't be lynched (as per the D2 opening post), but that he also can't be (night)killed. "

EBWOP my 822

"We so need to know if hijack and or Christi were scum. The only person that helps is sreamler7 as right now he reads hella town. "

was typing on phone on the subway, not actually sure if i meant to type "we so don't need" or simply "we don't need" but what I was attempting to say was that we do not need to know. If they are both scum - then drealmer7 is also scum. but i don't see the odds of that more than 5%. Do we need to know if they were scum? In theory, yes. But for that to come to light, some player with a PR would have to reveal him/herself and only help scum out. It makes no sense. Do you really think Scum would pull off killing cristi and then day lynching Hijack as a 1-2 self-scum killing combo?

looking for a response from me, or am i a serious suspect? i think you are the first person to list me as one, and i'd love to hear more as to why that is.

Did you also read adalia's previous posts, or just 817? Take a look at 744, 753, 786 and 809. Then tell me that adalia is saying that HijacK and cristi being scum is the "off chance".
There's also 789 to look in, where he does a bit of backtracking saying that he's 98% convinced they are town PRs, but seeing how said post also contains a mana reference, I'm not sure if I should take that at face value or not.

But yeah, latch on one post to make a case of "misrepresentation".

P.S. Are you sure the "almost" part of post 477 only applies to the verified part, or could it apply to the other two adjectives (almost unlynchable, almost unkillable) as well? Or do you think I somehow knew about spectres being unkillable, and wish me to explain how I did so? And are you sure that's a good idea?