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Personally, I don't see any value in scum killing their own. Just doesn't make any sense to me at all. I can't think of any real advantage this would give them. Thus, I have both Bookwyrm and Christi as town. Given that, I believe HijacK was town as well (although to be honest, I was on the fence after reading the end of day). And if you look at the big picture, it makes perfect sense for a town Christie to reveal when she did. At least it should, in theory, let us read HijacK's wagon which was rather problematic not knowing his alignment.
Suddenly, a4plz throws himself out of his chair, races across the room, and vaults through the broken window.

The talking slowly trails off.

Then a head appears at the same window.

"Hello? Mind if I come in?"

The mayor nods once, wondering just what is happening to his peaceful little town.

The figure clambers carefully through the window and dusts itself off. It's a man, wearing what appears to be a4plz's clothing.

His dusting finished, he looks about, and then introduces himelf.

"Good afternon, my name is RWarehall. A young fellow came tearing up to me and begged me to put on his clothes and come back here. He even paid me 20 bucks to do it. Now, a guy like me can use 20 bucks, so here I am. What exactly is going on? And who're the ghosts?"

The mayor has laid his head down on his desk and is weeping silently.

Drealmer7 speaks first, "Hey there, I'm drealmer7 and I hope you'll agree with me that everyone here is pretty scummy. We're trying to figure out which of us aren't Evil. Also, the ghosts are Bookwyrm627 and cristigale. We don't know where HijacK went, we thought he'd be a ghost too, but he's not. But I'm pretty sure that a4plz was conning you. That was a4plz that met you, probably. Unless it wasn't. Is that 20 counterfeit? Take a seat, a4plz had that one over there. Also, have you read the rules posted on the door? Oh wait, you didn't come in by the door. How did you manage not to get cut by all the broken glass? I remember I had to climb through a broken window once when-"

Cristigale interrupts him.

"Welcome, sir. We're investigating some strange murders in Town. I suggest you just take a seat and listen. Maybe read the transcript of our last meetings if you have time."

RWarehall bows to her amorphous figure, then takes a4plz's seat.


A4plz has been replaced by RWarehall.


The mayor hands a copy of the transcript to his secretary, Krypsyn, who ferries it to RWarehall. Then the mayor motions for the discussion to continue.


Votecount

adaliabooks: 3 (drealmer7, RWarehall, lotsofchickenwings)
babark: 1 (adaliabooks)
drealmer7: 1 (trentonlf)
RWarehall: 1 (yogsloth)
trentonlf: 1 (babark)

Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, cristigale, flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, JMich

Adaliabooks is closest to Lynch at L-4


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lotsofchickenwings: @agentcar - could cristigale have been the exorcist? not asking for reveal, just asking for timing. does the exorcist remove a spectre before they die if they die in the night?
This wasn't bolded, but I'll be kind and answer anyways.

The exorcist's action resolves before the Nightkill action.
Post edited May 14, 2016 by agentcarr16
Oh goody! I've entered the game twice! Do I get two votes?
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RWarehall: Oh goody! I've entered the game twice! Do I get two votes?
No. :P
Had to try...desperate times call for desperate measures...
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agentcarr16: I have not lied as far as I know.
You haven't.


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RWarehall: Oh goody! I've entered the game twice! Do I get two votes?
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agentcarr16: No. :P
Oh, come on, let him have two votes! Just only count the first one... ;)
Post edited May 14, 2016 by Krypsyn
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adaliabooks: Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
I'm sorry, you are advocating that the two dead people claiming power roles are lying scum, then say if we lynch you, town loses? How did you put it in post 817?
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adaliabooks: I think I've spotted a slip. However I'm not sure if it's our one remaining power role, or a scum slip.
Adalia, what prevents an Evil from fake-claiming to try and pretend to be the real herbalist, then claiming a non-visited player last night? If we get another claim, that doesn't help anything, actually, and it sounds to me like you're calling for a scum-buddy to fake-claim so you can wiggle out.

I also don't believe your vote on trentonlf was "bait" for whomever fell for it (as you are claiming babark did), but as scum-buddy cover for both of you later after the 1st of you is killed.

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adaliabooks: Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
did you just soft-claim the 3rd PR?
setting yourself up for a full fake claim at L-1 and hoping to draw out the exorcist?

*shakes head* - *refresh*

*does a double-take* *offers RW some double-mint gum* (that stuff is poison! don't eat it!)

Thanks for the information cristi, a read on HijacK is crucial for moving forward properly (hence why I wanted his spectre in the game, it would have allowed us to get a more thorough read on him, even on the slim-chance he was lying, it would have given us more angles and insight into everything [like if you thought he was scum and then he voted me, etc..])

I wonder what HSL has to say about things at this point. and the rest of you, too, of course

trent, what do you think about adalia?
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drealmer7: Adalia, what prevents an Evil from fake-claiming to try and pretend to be the real herbalist, then claiming a non-visited player last night? If we get another claim, that doesn't help anything, actually, and it sounds to me like you're calling for a scum-buddy to fake-claim so you can wiggle out.

I also don't believe your vote on trentonlf was "bait" for whomever fell for it (as you are claiming babark did), but as scum-buddy cover for both of you later after the 1st of you is killed.

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adaliabooks: Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
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drealmer7: did you just soft-claim the 3rd PR?
setting yourself up for a full fake claim at L-1 and hoping to draw out the exorcist?

*shakes head* - *refresh*

*does a double-take* *offers RW some double-mint gum* (that stuff is poison! don't eat it!)

Thanks for the information cristi, a read on HijacK is crucial for moving forward properly (hence why I wanted his spectre in the game, it would have allowed us to get a more thorough read on him, even on the slim-chance he was lying, it would have given us more angles and insight into everything [like if you thought he was scum and then he voted me, etc..])

I wonder what HSL has to say about things at this point. and the rest of you, too, of course

trent, what do you think about adalia?
I don't like his comment that if we lynch him town loses. If there really is only one town PR left and it's adaliabiins why would he tell scum he was it and cost us the game? There's no one to protect him if cristi is telling the truth (and I do believe her)
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adaliabooks: .......<snip>...........

I think we're in pretty dire straits now, to be honest I can't even see a way for us to win with (presumably, unless we assume Bookwyrm is scum after all) three (or more) scum left to kill and only one power role keeping us alive. We need to get lucky three times in a row, they just need to get lucky once.
.......<snip>...........
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adaliabooks: .......<snip>...........
Anyway, if you lynch me today then town definitely loses.
But it's up to you guys.
The only way I rectify these two statements is fearmongering.

Vote: adaliabooks
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trentonlf: ...
I don't like his comment that if we lynch him town loses. If there really is only one town PR left and it's adaliabiins why would he tell scum he was it and cost us the game? There's no one to protect him if cristi is telling the truth (and I do believe her)
You couldn't have made a safer pro-town seeming comment, certainly. Thank you. However, I was looking for something a bit more that maybe would have you lean town for me. No offense, but I still think we need to kill both you and adalia. Care to surrender?
Kite-flying plans cancelled :|

but still possibly a hike in the works!!!

I think now is an appropriate time to discuss Good's courses of actions assuming adalia is going to claim exorcist at L-1. Should we let him live and then go after someone else for today's lynch, and if so, who? Or should we be confident enough that it is a fake-claim and go ahead and kill him? I suppose more time and the wagon build will tell us more.

Trent is sold for me as a must-lynch candidate now. I asked him about adalia, his response was only partially correct for it to be a town response, imo, and the part that he failed crucially at that exposes him is that he didn't actually vote for adalia in the same post. "he doesn't like it" ?!?! it should be "that is a lynchable offense" and then voted.

10 minutes and still no vote from him. A false move, (Evil) trent, you maybe could have had the win if you'd hopped on the wagon sooner. Now it is just going to look like Evil-buddy busing if you do it and I hope no one buys it.
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trentonlf: ...
I don't like his comment that if we lynch him town loses. If there really is only one town PR left and it's adaliabiins why would he tell scum he was it and cost us the game? There's no one to protect him if cristi is telling the truth (and I do believe her)
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drealmer7: You couldn't have made a safer pro-town seeming comment, certainly. Thank you. However, I was looking for something a bit more that maybe would have you lean town for me. No offense, but I still think we need to kill both you and adalia. Care to surrender?
My offense with you started when you treated a4plz the way you did, you're an unmitigated ass.

But as far as this game goes you're wrong about me, I'm not scum.
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trentonlf: My offense with you started when you treated a4plz the way you did, you're an unmitigated ass.
Take it to PM if you have a personal issue with me, please. I'm trying to have fun in this thread.
The dynamics of this game are rather different. Still trying to get my head around the differences. But, given I believe Christie, I think any lynch is a one-way trip so we should be careful.

Keeping someone alive at L-1 with a Coroner claim is lose lose.

Two possibilities:
1) Really is the Coroner: ...in which case mafia NK's them that night. Game over assuming more than 1 mafia left.
2) Really is scum: ...and is lying to wiggle out of it. You keep scum alive and then risk lynching the real Coroner.

There should be no good reason for a vanilla to false claim like that.