The only way town wins is if we lynch, there's no winning if we discuss and theorize but don't lynch. Knowing if there is any information on a lynch means more information we can use to find scum. If there is no information given that's ok as the coroner has someone they can examine and if they deem it necessary they can share that info. No lynch means the coroner is wasted and scum get a free kill that night and we start Day 2 in the same boat as Day 1, no info at all to go on.

It'd also be swell if someone else said something else about something or someone else (game-related) !

How about them eagles? errr something...

pics of the garden inc. to my gardens thread later today!

I wonder what constitutes someone going from having a "garden" to having a "farm", or, similarly, someone going from being a "gardener" to a "farmer." Any one?

Wait, what? Did I miss something, or do you just meant it in a fuck this shit, I'm out way?

'Tis how I read it as well.

I see it took drealmer7 about an hour to regroup.

And when you're proven wrong, will you stick a daisy in your arse, and say out loud "I am a Dingleberry Douche Dong"© seven times?
Or perhaps "You is kind, you is Good, you is Important"?

If you are Town, that is. Perhaps even if you're Scum; must keep up the facade, after all.

©yogsloth



I don't know, what do you think you may have missed?

The janitor eventually comes in to clean up the smashed watermelon and glass. Someone complains that throwing out the watermelon is a waste, but gets quickly glared down.

A highly "technical" discussion develops between drealmer7, trentonlf, and HSL, regarding the merits of No-Lynch and the relative scumminess of those involved.

Bookwyrm floats around the room, contributing where he can, igniting arguments wherever he goes. Some don't seem to think that Spectres can exist, which isn't a particularly popular point of view at present...


Votecount

HijacK: 2 (trentonlf, adaliabooks)
trentonlf: 2 (lotsofchickenwings, drealmer7)
HypersomniacLive: 1 (HijacK)

Not Voting: a4plz, babark, Bookwyrm627, cristigale, CSPVG, flubbucket, HypersomniacLive, JMich


The deadline is Wednesday, may 11 at 20:00 EST.

Nope. But adaliabooks unvoted and re-voted anyways.

Right... caught up, kind of. Have to say I completely skimmed the bitching between trent, Hyper and drealmer.

drealmer:
You're wrong.
No lynch day 1 deprives town of vital info. We're reliving day 1 all over again because there was a failed lynch. If you were town, you should have preferred to die.
Even if there are no flips at all, the coroner will get that info. The coroner is town, therefore it's good for town and bad for scum.
If we never lynch we never have any chance to hit scum.
Yada yada. We've been over all of this.

Furthermore, what you are doing now (antagonising people and then calling them out as scum) does no good either (and to be honest this applies to trent and HSL too).
You have all come out looking equally as scummy, and if half the game weren't lurking like it was going out of fashion they may have lynched one of you by now.

Quite frankly, I'm fairly sure all of you are town. Call it WIFOM all you like, but neither trent or HSL are stupid enough to pull this shit as scum, so unless you (drealmer) are saying you are then I doubt any of you are scum.

Who might be? I don't know, perhaps HijacK lurking his way to victory (as he did the last two times he won as scum).
Or maybe the ever inscrutable JMich or flub, posting as little as they ever do (JMich is town though, just sayin)
Or babark or chickenwings, again both quietly lurking away in the background letting town rip itself to shreds (babark is the much more likely candidate here as I have some inclination of towniness from chickenwings at least)
In case you were wondering, CSPVG and cristi are town too.

As I see it our three scum are hiding here:
1. HijacK
3. flubbucket
10. lotsofchickenwings
11. a4plz
12. babark


4. HypersomniacLive
8. drealmer7
13. trentonlf
With an outside possibility of one of them being in these three. I can't see any of the disagreements being fabricated and even without full flips I can't see trent and Hyper defending / supporting each other to that extent if they are both scum. So I can't see more than one of them being scum (and I'm finding even that somewhat unlikely)

So yeah, can we all vote HijacK now please?

Liar, liar, pants on fire. I merely did it the first time I was scum and because I was busy. Your point reeks of lameness and lying.

You can try, but you will fail. :X

*cough* Lift's all Mafia game *cough*

What were you saying?

Seriously, can you guys not see this is scum HijacK?


Also, another point came to me.
The very worst that can happen today is that we lynch a power role, and hopefully that shouldn't happen as anyone claiming such should presumably be given some kind of pass.

The second worst thing that can happen is we push all three power roles to claim, outing all of them.
So what happens then? Scum pick them off one by one at night, we lose three days later.
If this were a normal game we would lose in three days / nights if we mislynched every day. So basically it doesn't really put us in any worse position then we would be in a normal game.
Admittedly in a normal game each successful scum lynch buys us more time, which doesn't particularly happen in this game, particularly under the above mentioned circumstances.

So basically my point is that we should pretty much ignore the odd win conditions as it doesn't really make much of a deviation from a normal game. Even a mass claim shoud prove reasonably game breaking despite seeming at first to be a really bad idea (though I'm not actually suggesting we do that, not yet anyway)

And then we should lynch HijacK.

No snappy come back?

You disappoint me HijacK...

Sounds like fun.

Wow, talk about wasting people's time. Let's drop a nuke. What's the worst it could happen? People would die. Normal outcome of war.

I told you. You can try, but you will fail.

Nope,

Eh, it happens.

This.

100% this.

You can sit by me.

For the slackers out there: Seriously guys, if my vote hits the table before yours, you should be ashamed of yourself. In the meantime, for those that are active, lets start hacking through some lurkers. Maybe scum will speak up then. I'm on board with a4plz, babark, hijack, or JMich. I plan to place my vote sometime tomorrow.

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Here, have some reads.

Possible scum team?: HSL + Drealmer + Babark
HSL didn't want to lynch Drealmer D1.
Drealmer covering for Babark's lack of content.
Babark lurking hard to avoid making a misstep.

Really hard to see Drealmer + HSL in a team together, though.

Other notes:
Hijack: Sitting back. Not a good sign.

a4plz: Massively anti-town suggestion early on D1. Scum, or newbie town not realizing the implications? Not much since then.

HSL: Some of his responses/answers/questions appeared to distort what I understood the other person to be saying; not sure if this is deliberate, or simply a difference in thinking/interpreting between him and me (I've seen stuff like this in previous games). Quite active, though, which is a point in his favor.

CSPVG: Notice his suspect list. Does it sound familiar?

I seem to recall someone else also used a similar list, but I can't remember who. Might be that Dessimu and Chicken talking about my suspect list is what triggered the feeling of an extra.

JMich: HSL makes some good points, and I've had a similar thought. I can't help but suspect JMich is trying to stay undercover. PR, or scum role? I let him do it in CSPVG's Gameshow game, where we bid for roles (the older role-bid one, not the more recent one); I knew he was doctor, but not whether he was scum.

Dessimu/Adalia: Dessimu pushed hard Day 1. He picked a player and went for them. Seems odd, but it did help jump start the game. I've liked Adalia's being active since then.

Babark: Still waiting for something to work with.

Drealmer: Wondering if he's actually going to answer some of the requests I've posed to him. I can't help but suspect the answer is "no".

Any chance there might be a scum Day Chat?

Are your eyes bleeding yet a4plz? Either from the WOTs causing them to extreme dryness, or from scratching them out?

What are you even talking about? You seem desperate. Also, I wanted to ask, how confident are you trent is Good? You seem to be defending him a lot, or do I have that wrong?

Eh, only if I'm wrong about trent, not about you. If I'm right about trent and you're town, I'd like you to do the same, in honor of the slolth. Maybe even buy him an ice cream cone (with ice cream in it) ! Wait, is this considered betting?! If so, NM!

You see no flaws in this logic at all?

I suppose you would have liked me to argue for my own lynch and vote myself as well? Geebus, people! But no, I didn't prefer to die. In case you missed it, I've been dying D1 a lot due to mis-lynches because people don't like that I defend myself when antagonized or because I type a lot, and I really didn't want it to happen AGAIN. Maybe if I were a robot I wouldn't care.

Seriously how much time do you think I have? And with having to explain and defend myself from HSL + trent BOTH (which I know makes me look bad, but seriously, I'm simply RESPONDING to antagonisms and mis-representations, if I had my way I'd not be typing multiple WOTs seeming to cause some strife) , my time's been a bit preoccupied with that than with doing every single thing you request of me. I'm sure you see that. Just to be sure, I've still got 3 things to do? 1# cristi D1 eval., #2 Dess D1 eval., and #3 trent Good-assumption re-read (just D1 or all 13 pages would you like?) Am I missing anything else?

Really, with comments like this it almost makes me think scum DID kill their own N1 (read below how/why that'd make sense), but hey, last thing I need is to aggravate someone else by calling them scummy (YOU'RE ALL SCUM! There, I said it, now let's move on.)

Anyway, the concept of scum killing their own did get me thinking about the game's balance and the fact that while scum only has to kill 3 specific roles, the game could very well get to 6 (and even less) players left and not be over for days (sure, at that point scum knows who they have to kill and it is just a matter of getting it done before they're beaten), and that disadvantages scum quite a bit. SO, what might be in place to help them?

2 things came to mind. Perhaps even both of them could be true?

1.) Maybe it's not 10v3 like I was assuming (I wasn't even realizing it was an assumption until I started thinking harder about it, at first I was of the impression it was 3PRs v 3 scum, but, why make that assumption? I realized) it was, and if that is the case, FuCK. 9v4? I can't see it being more than that though. I do recognize that not everyone has assumed it was 3.

2.) a.) Maybe they had foreknowledge of the 3rd PR? Or b.) maybe just of the spectre mechanic? If they had knowledge of either of these, perhaps they did kill their own and plant a bad-seed D1 in bookwyrm to be really fucking deceptive.

And before you all get fucking pissy at me for posing such an idea, RELAX, it's just an idea! Sometimes you've got to think outside the box, and all the time we can't just go on the assumption that it's a normal game (especially when we know it's not!) To treat all games the same is a bad idea.

I also like considering the possibility that they could have a day chat to help balance.

I wonder what you'd all be doing if I wasn't playing the game. Or, ya know, if I lurked like the most of the rest of you~!