When I've played similar werewolf type games before, they've always been very fast paced (never lasting more than 5 minutes), I guess mostly banking on the idea that all this is random. In this case it appears to last weeks, and we're supposed to analyse behaviours, prod and poke, test people, etc.

Now I've never considered myself a bad judge of character (people I felt off about usually ended up being suspect), but that's usually people I've met in person and known for a longer time than this, and is more an intuitive thing rather than empirically based. So honestly, being quite new here, I'm not seeing a way from the current information at hand to definitively (or even probabilistically) select someone to vote for. And I've not really gone through when this was done previously, so I'm not sure, has there ever been a case where someone was able to "psychologic" a correct answer consistently? So far my method has simply been "This person is acting weird, what could the reason be? Are they attempting to subtly warn about another person? No? Then why are they behaving like that? Probably scum".

I admit not a very scientific method, but it is what lead me to suspecting drealmer7 and now possible trentonlf. And I don't know whether it'd be considered scummy or not, but yeah, I figure it is probably best to vote for someone to lynch today. Still not voting just yet, see how everything goes.

This quote does not resemble my post btw.

Welcome, adalia! Good to have you back in a game.

I think you kept the wrong quote tag on this one. Should the above quote be attributed to drealmer? (refreshed and saw JMich's post)

BTW, Mulit-quote man made me smile.

I don't think they are buddies because trent appears to be getting drealmer's goat. If they are buddies, kudos to drealmer for a fine acting job. I think I made the above comment before trent's meta reveal. In light of the meta reveal, it would be a more elaborate gambit for these two to be buddies. There would be no real risk if they are arguing with each other, why throw in the meta bit that could get trent lynched? And yes, I would think it fishy if they seemed too chummy or appeared to avoid one another. I also agree that if they were scum buddies, it would make sense for them to spar.

What is your take on trent's "mix my meta up" play?

Hey everyone, posting from my phone for now so this will just be short, more of a novel coming later though (something for you all to look forward to ;))
It really is statistically the best option...

But WIFOM that it is... thank god I'm town this time!
I was worried when Dess requested a replacement because I'd been finding him a little scummy and thought I might be scum again.

Anyway, two main targets on the table seem to be drealmer and trent.

drealmer - Really don't like his push for No Lynch or his celebratory post when that was how D1 ended (but then I wouldn't). It speaks of scumminess or at best a fundamental lack of understanding how the game works.
Particularly in this game, where we know there are no investigative roles (though I will admit there was a slim chance the mystery third role could have been 1 day 1) No Lynch serves no purpose.
There is some small bonus in the presence of the Spectres but I think town will have lost before they give us a chance to tip things in our favour.
@drealmer: What, if any, benefit do you think we gained by no lynching?

trent is a little more difficult to read. I don't believe scum trent would be stupid enough to pull the stunt he has, hes more than capable of appearing fairly town when scum so why risk drawing attention like that?
But trent has been scum a few times in the last few games (at least two that I remember) and it gets tiring drawing the scum card every time (and I should know). And perhaps one of his scum buddies has been absent and unhelpful and the combo of the two has frustrated him a little.
I do find trent's call for babark to be replaced a little odd, but not so much if they are buddies and his absence is annoying him..
Just something to mull over.


All that being said I also agree with trent that HijacK seems very lurky and non confrontational and he reminds me of scunlm HijacK from yogs' first game.


Of course the whole issue is compounded by not getting flips so we don't even know when we are hitting scum... but when in doubt, kill everyone until town wins. Go team town!

Hmm, that was pretty long actually.

Just wanted to have my opinion on the matter out there in case anybody is keeping tabs on these. I do not think drealmer is scum. I don't think he's town either. So that means I don't even know what I think he is.

Currently leaning town for me is flub, JMich, obviously booky, and to some degree cristingale.

Shi...suspicion list: HSL, trent, -bank space kept for third pick-

Everyone else is meh. Got no read on you, you're neutral, or I think you may be town but are playing a terrible game.

What can I say? I got bored of gangsta rap and now I'm more into the fashionable stuff.

This can only be a good thing.

Started getting more attention from the ladies and more swipe rights. Still working on this formula. Not quite perfect, but hey. It's a work in progress. Gotta get on that RDJ class.

As I've mentioned, it's not a play that usually ends up good for the player attempting it. We do dislike change, so any player behaving outside what we expect of them does gain extra scrutiny. For a scum trent the meta mixing would be a bold move, for a town trent it doesn't look like a well thought out move.

Just responding to this thought while I remember:

I can't see them being scum buddies either, while I can certainly see where you are coming from I think the vehemence with which they have attacked each other is very risky for two scum as it could easily lead to one or the others lynch.
I'd have to reread to be sure but what I remember from following the game was that trent was really pushing for drealmer's lynch day 1 and knowing the temperament of the players here getting someone that close to lynch has a very high chance of getting them killed.
Plus the one plus side to that actually happening in a normal game is that the pushing scum gets huge town points, which wouldn't even be the case in this game as there are no alignment flips.
Bussing a buddy in this game is pretty much stupid for the same reason, why push someone over the edge if we can't even prove they were actually scum in the first place?
Admittedly the coroner can confirm when we've hit scum but given the victory conditions we don't want the coroner to claim until they absolutely have to (or once they are actually dead, as the Spectre mechanic means they can still provide their results even if killed)

Perhaps this will help.

What I do is read a post from the point of view that the player is mafia.

I will then read the post from the point of view that the player is town.

If I presume the player is town, then I can disagree or think they're wrong but they are still town.

If I presume the player is mafia, then I look for connections or possible lies or some such.

Have a swift and full recovery, Dessimu! Welcome adaliabooks, looking forward to hearing your thoughts and impressions!


Does Dessimu's vote not count?



And before I forget it again:

Love your arguments.



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The duration depends on what the goal of a (rather extreme) tactic is, it may not be necessary to keep it up throughout the game - don't forget that the game is dynamic, and developments need to be factored in. If one's goal is short-term, and is achieved, keeping it up just makes one look like a dick at best, suspect at worse.

The tricky part is the way one goes about revealing it was a tactic. Part of it depends on the player's personality, part of it depends on the circumstances at the time.

If trentonlf had first detailed the reactions he got and what he thought of them, and waited to see what further feedback/reactions he got, instead of prefacing it all as a gambit, would you feel the same?

Again, this is not a defence of him, I'm just trying to see it from all possible angles.


I see if anything stands out to me for whatever reason, then go and reread this player and his interactions with others.

If you're comfortable with using browser add-ons and userscripts, you could check out adaliabooks script, Adalia Fundamentals; it's a pretty neat and useful tool for our mafia games here, as it allows you to perform a search on one or more players' posts, and reread them isolated from the rest.



In addition to what flubbucket said, you may also want to consider what I just suggested to lotsofchickenwings.


Can I have a bump, please?

Bump for the sake of argument.

Cheers JMich.


Still mulling over this one, as it seems quite puzzling if they're scum-buddies. OTOH, they did have a Night to evaluate things and risks, and plan accordingly.



The D1 lynch was, imo, not that easy or certain with drealmer7 being the lynch candidate, and look how things ended.
First, we have three new players whose participation was of little to no impact, and none of them were here for the deadline. Of them, only one was voting him.
Four other players were not here for the deadline, and of those only one was voting for him.
And then you have Bookwyrm627 and me; we both were here, but rather reluctant to finish him off, for reasons we've already shared.
If they are scum-buddies, do you think that they had not noticed all of this?

There's also a difference between actually bussing a scum-buddy, and almost bussing them. And we may not get reveals on death, but I don't think that would stop Mafia from trying to gain town-cred as it still influences the way we view them, and how high or low they land on our suspects lists.

This is not to say that I'm convinced that they are scum-buddies, just that I'm not discarding it, at least for now.



Any thoughts on JMich?


Check the D2 opening post, it's at the very bottom.