Can you, please, point out (links to posts) where JMich was pushing hard for trentonlf?

I was hoping I would be the target last night, gives us another chance, so let's talk this out and see what's going to help town win.

Yogs and bookwyrm both were for lynching drealmer today, opinions on that?

If we do not lynch drealmer my choice would be JMich, opinions?

I am not going to place my vote right away as once it's placed I can't change it.

Are you saying that I've worded something in a way it can be genuinely misunderstood?


It's unclear to me if you count yourself among those that believe that Mafia had advance knowledge of the no-majority mechanic, and that babark was one of them - do you?

Also, could you elaborate on why only look at those on the same wagon?

I'm also unclear as to why you're offering an alternative to drealmer7, and what the significance of him getting quite a bit of attention at the end of D4 is in your decision. Could you elaborate?
What happened to your belief of commuting to our 100% town arbiter as the best way to guarantee a lynch? Do you no longer think that's a good idea?



I have to go over a few things, but have a question - you say you were hoping you'd be the NK target; why do you think you were? What made you an attractive NK target?



I wonder what yogsloth and Bookwyrm627 did that made them leave us for good.

And I wish someone had asked yogsloth to elaborate on this, could have been useful to know for sure what he was referring to instead of trying to figure it out.

I know what happened, but it's not my place to say. Agent has worked out spectres very well.

I was hoping when I made the comment of "I'm not the one you want to lynch" scum would take it as me saying I was the PR and lynching me would end the game. Other than that there's really nothing else that I think would have made me a better NK target than anyone else.

We are against the ropes at this point not knowing for sure how many scum we've lynched (I still think there are two left), but I think we can make it through another night and win this if we can lynch scum today.

I'm sure you do, but I was just wondering out loud in general, I have a couple of ideas but we'll see post game.
What sucks is that going with babark as Mafia, if he was given all the details upon lynch, and he could continue to scum-cha until the Exorcist removed him, then Mafia may have an additional advantage over Town now, even if adaliabooks wasn't Mafia.

Anyway, it's pretty late and I'm tired, will resume things tomorrow, though I do have some outdoors plans.


@agentacarr16

I was referring to lynched players, and what I was asking is if you're giving them all the details upon lynch, or only if they're not removed by the Exorcist. Like some kind of limbo until the Exorcist makes their decision. You think you could answer this?

So far this game, you have shown a penchant for attacking people over single words yet inexplicably, when your words are incorrect, you do not acknowledge it. It's pretty easy to try to paint people however you like using such minutia. Hence it comes off as scummy.

As to the spectre mechanic, what Bookwyrm said seems sound, but he knows more about it than me. If I'm reading it correctly, the larger issue was Babark was aware Adalia spent the night as a spectre. I hadn't considered that possibility at all. I think there was more to it than that, but I'm not about to waste my time attempting to guess what all the different fruit or muffins or whatever might mean and how close Babark's "guesses" were to the truth. Especially since I don't know the truth, only spectres do.

As to those targets, I think they are the most likely. If Adalia and Babark had a partner and were hoping to push a quick wagon that would have stopped at 5, there is a good chance their partner is with them. I guess the possibility exists the 3rd was waiting to hammer at 5, or at least waiting for a firm commitment there would be a 5th vote, but the former is more likely.

As to looking for alternatives, why not? If you think Drealmer is a slam dunk choice, how do you know that without looking at the other candidates? Enough people were on JMich's wagon and those voting Trent were not on his wagon by definition. JMich was also on Trent's wagon. He deserves serious consideration. I didn't like the way when the wagon stopped at 3, how Drealmer was trying to get me to commit to Trent. It felt funny. I also didn't like his claims at the end of day without any consideration of what Bookwyrm said, that Babark's lynch made no sense at all. So, I'm leaning Drealmer, but JMich is a good player. We may only have this one shot. We can only dodge so many nights, so let's look at it for sure.

As to the town arbiter plan, show me a 100% town arbiter...Bookwyrm and Christi are dead. While I tend to believe Trent is town given the most likely take on yesterday's events, my belief is not 100% like Bookwyrm. It would mean there are more scum alive than we thought, but if scum thought they could completely control the lynch, might they kill their own?

Hyper, I've noticed you don't seem to give too much of your own opinion. Pretty much all day you said you were still considering Adalia's guilt. Have you decided anything, or are you still evaluating?

Once lynched, they immediately receive all details on being a Spectre.

Geez. Sorry trent. Seriously, why you always seem so scummy to me when you're not?!?! GJ getting the NK. We live on!

Yeh, anyway, I'm at a loss. I'd say at this point maybe it is locw, flub, and *shrug* adalia? HSL? no idea anymore who is Evil, but my WIM falters more and more.

The people I have leaning the towniest are JMich and RW, but I can't count them out as possibilities at this point either, defiintely.

I'm listening.

You mean like when I wished out loud we could lynch two in one go, and you claimed that I was suggesting to yogsloth that I'd have liked two kills that Night? Yeah, things like this certainly come off as scummy.


What's with the [emphasis added] " If Adalia and Babark had a partner"? We know for a fact that Evil started as a three-man team.


Are you saying that JMich deserves serious consideration only because he was on trentonlf's wagon? Or is there (also?) something else that makes you consider him Today?


I'm unclear about this - you didn't like the way trentonlf's or JMich's wagon stopped at three votes?


Why? You were pretty clear that you had trentonlf high enough on your suspects list to lynch him, and made at least two statements that you'd take him first over JMich. It's no secret that drealmer7 wanted trentonlf lynched, and he was trying to get just about everyone to vote him Yesterday, even those that had made it clear they didn't share his view on him. Why did it feel funny that he tried to get the vote of someone that had openly expressed his interest in lynching him?


But Bookwyrm627, our 100% town arbiter, spoke before leaving us for good, right after you restated we should follow his suggestion, and here's what he suggested [emphasis added]: What makes you less eager to follow his suggestion?


[emphasis added]

You've been pretty vocal about adaliabooks being Mafia, and you said several times that you considered babark to be Scum even before Bookwyrm627 linked him to adaliabooks with the no-majority mechanic. This ("It would mean there are more scum alive than we thought") sounds like you are now taking into consideration the possibility that one of them may not have been. Why?

And can you elaborate on how the Mafia could completely control the Lynch?


Could you have phrased this any more carefully/safer? I'm still going over things, I wonder though - what will you make of my take on him in each case?


I'll be gone for the next several hours.

You mean your total misrepresentation of events, scum? Yeah sure, that was a joke on your part, right?

Because we might not be correct in our assumptions? Now you are attacking me over the word "if"? Where's your great analysis regarding Adalia, scum? You've claimed to be pouring over it for a full game day...

Are you reading impaired? Have you gotten off the short bus? He had 3 votes yesterday and he also joined Trent's wagon with Babark, scum.

You sure do a great job of pulling shit out of context and leaving off where I explained it. It's because of the way someone might need 5 votes, and after it stopped at 3 how Drealmer was plying for additional votes so early in the day. We weren't near deadline. What was the hurry?

More taking things out of context trying to paint me as disingenuous...
Explained above, scum...

There is a big difference from "the plan" to have everyone commit to following Bookwyrm for the rest of the game and just following his wish. But here you go again comparing apples to oranges in your latest distraction attempt.

I read Adalia and he looks scummy sure. You claim to still be making a judgement two weeks later...(somehow). We are at crunch time. Are you suggesting there is nothing to discuss? That there is nothing to look at. You are the one trying to misconstrue my read and the idea of 100% sure. It seems some sideways attempt to paint me as scum...

To the 2nd part, are you reading impaired? If scum thought we would agree to the plan to follow the spectre, and if they thought they could sneak one of their players in (given how Bookwyrm and Yogs announced they'd be going "Bye Bye"), if somehow Trent were an extra scum. We'd be voting for his target. Thus, if he were scum, scum would control the lynch.

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Seriously Hyper, you are full of shit. I'm done with your stupidity. All you are doing to trying to take every little thing out of context to make everyone else look scummy and you don't say a damn thing about what you think yourself. You attack people over "if"; you attack people over the word "unkillable". You were the one who brought up spectres and NKs, and now you claim it was "just a joke"? You seem to be going out of your way to twist everyone's words around, this way and sideways. Everything you've done all game says "SCUM". Because you can't really be serious with some of these questions and you can't be this dense! You are just trying to distract us.

I asked you a direct question. What about Adalia, who you've been "deciding" on for over a week. You've contributed nothing all game except creating every sort of distraction through every overblown nitpicking you can. You aren't making a decision on Adalia, because you are trying all too hard to play both sides.

Vote Hyper

I really don't care if it loses us the game somehow and doesn't seem the right move. I'm done with your stupid shit. You seem a lot more scummy to me than what seems to make sense. For now, I'm following my gut. Why do I have this nagging feeling we have something wrong? It's the elephant in the room. You, Hyper, who has spent all game nitpicking and distracting and making sure to derail any potentially useful discussion.

I'm not into slow torture.

I have to agree with RW on HSL for the most part. HSL has seemed scummy the entire game to me. If HSL isn't Evilthen he's just been wayyyy too hard on people and it has been detrimental to getting the job done and actually scum-hunting. He's nitpicking little things and blowing them out of proportion and distracting by making them into huge issues rather than trying to make sure he understands what someone meant and actually discern if there is an issue with them in the first place.

And now, I also think he's been playing trent and I against each other. Going back and doing another bit of re-reading, and I seriously can't understand the game trent was playing, liiike, we weren't even playing the same game it looks, I also can't understand why Evil thought he was a good NK, I mean, at this point I figure they should only be trying for the PR, and trent certainly wasn't the PR (in a game with the game-over-death mechanics like they are here, no way a PR would have done a meta-switch like trent did, ever, among other reasons.) I don't get it. but I guess that is what Evil wants, mass confusion...

*sigh*

Anyway, re-evaluating (I was pretty set this was the move I was going to make, but trent being dead gave me pause and I had to go re-look at things)

I still think this is our best chance at hitting scum:

vote HyperSomniacLive

I'd also be comfortable voting flub today.

Vote HypersomniacLive

Reasons have been given for quite some time, and unless HSL is one of those that require fewer votes, this should be L-1.

Really classy. Do you think resorting to personal insults and name-calling somehow lends your words validity/credibility? I'd have expected you to carry yourself a tad better than this, given that you've rage-quitted because of HijacK going this very route; guess I expected too much, to say the very least.

Of course it could just be that you’re getting desperate and it’s all an act to justify your push to lynch a townie at a very crucial point in the game (took you a bit longer than I expected); what better way than to act so fed up and outraged that you can’t care anymore if you lose Town the game when all you’ve been doing is working hard to get your scum-team closer to winning. And if you come back with any of your usual line of arguments, or that I avoid addressing your arguments, and trying to paint you as Scum, you'll have made my point.
Still doesn't excuse your behaviour though.

To anyone even remotely willing to listen to me for a moment – just go and reread RWarehall’s exchanges with me, see if you can find anything besides “you’re misinterpreting, misrepresenting, twisting, blowing things out of proportion, so you must be Scum”, see if he even once offered any actual counter-proof to evidence of him falsely accusing me that I provided. Also, see how he seems to be willing to look at drealmer7 and JMich because they were on trentonlf's wagon and he wanted a "potentially useful discussion", yet all he was doing was create another chance to push my lynch. Again. Just read, and make your own judgement.

And then we have drealmer7, who’s been using the same sort of arguments all game long, and has now added the most unbelievably ludicrous argument to excuse his h(a)unting trentonlf the whole game – it was all my doing, I “played them against each other”; doesn’t matter that he’s been shouting from the roof-tops, every chance he got, that he’s not being influenced by anyone, and that he’s objectively looking at things on his own and forming his own opinions. Not only that but now, trentonlf is apparently gullible enough that I've been influencing him against drealmer7 the whole game; simply priceless.

Wonder how long it’s going to take JMich to join them, and if he's going to comment at all on trentonlf getting NK-ed.

*refresh*

Here we go! You bunch sure don't disappoint, well done! If there's a townie among you, Mafia is no doubt very thankful. They must also be extremely relieved to have gotten rid of Bookwyrm627's and yogsloth's Spectres, after cristigale's one. And remember, it's a daisy in your arse, and "I am a Dingleberry Douche Dong".



I’m good voting either drealmer7 or RWarehall Today, will also vote JMich if it looks like it's going to No-Lynch. Though, if Mafia get their way, it might not come to any of this.


@agentcarr16 - Vote count, please.

How about you don't go so nit-picky with words? I've called you out for your obvious distractions. You've brought no useful content to any discussion. How many scum do you think there are in this game?

We are going into the 2nd week since you've been gathering your thoughts on Adalia...

Please, everyone re-read the exchanges. Go ahead. You will find Hyper does nothing but repeat himself and he'll pick out a single word in his false claim people are scum. I watched a week over you claiming using two words "unkillable" and for some inexplicable reason "almost" had some deep meaning to somehow paint JMich as scum. And then he has the audacity to claim others are twisting words around. Look at the post above where he's trying to make a scum claim out of the word "If". Is any townie sure enough about our scum team, they wouldn't use the word "if"? Even Trent seems to be of the belief there are two scum left. When I see words like "If" or "almost", I see people looking at the possibilities. When I see people nit-picking over silly things, I see scum.

And when I look at your play all game, all you seem to be doing is trying to pick apart particular posts of those you wish to paint as scummy. No analysis, no discussion, just single-minded attacks on particular individuals. Some people you seem to give a complete pass, and others you do everything possible to take their words out of context. I don't have a clue whether you are the last scum or not. I hope so, but I think you are the first step toward us winning...