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Posted May 25, 2016
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HypersomniacLive: You had options, and you chose to go that route.
Again, what options do you think I had? Verify that I am or am not a power role, thus make scum's job easier?
No, my choice was to keep myself as a target. But do tell me what you would have done in my place.

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lotsofchickenwings: trent talked about this in 905
905 is a Babark post.. So you probably meant 904.

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lotsofchickenwings: JMich seems to be defending adaliabooks for a long time. WINE obviously - but i don't think i've seen JMich defend so many people....so why adaliabooks?
I fear my memory must be leaving me, since I can't recall defending adalia in this game. Care to show examples of where I am defending him?

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drealmer7: JMich, give it to us straight as you can, do you or did you at the time think adalia should be defended/is/was Good, and is that what you were doing? Or did you make a mistake interpreting what he was doing/trying to do, perhaps? Or what?
I am not sure I recall of any post I made that could be seen as defending adalia.

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drealmer7: Obviously you're voting trent, but can you tell us more about who you think other Evil might be, or anyone that you have leaning town? anything else of note you think we should be considering?
As I said in my vote, trent is my second choice. I still find HSL the scummiest, but there doesn't seem to be many that believe that.
I do not think lotsofchickenwings to be scum, mostly because he is following HSL's heels too closely.
While a4plz did raise quite a few flags, especially with the hammer on D2, it could have been a case of a newbie being overwhelmed. RW does appear to be playing more towny, but I could be prejudices since he's going after HSL.
Babark is the last of the newbies, and he also hasn't raised any flags that I can recall.
You (drealmer) and flub are your usual selves. You'll get more scrutiny if/when needed. For now, HSL and trent have all of mine.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Bookwyrm627: You mean scum decided to start killing scum, instead of just going after the last power role and winning? Scum doesn't need to know what the spectres can do if all the town power roles are dead.
And yet they are not. So obviously scum is not as omnipotent and omniscient as you suggest.


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Bookwyrm627: I said "Cristi was offered as a reason, but Adalia as a reason was not so much as mentioned".
You're very confusing. Why would he? When I pondered after the first lynch why the new death was exorcised, everyone reprimanded me about why we would allow scum a spectre vote (turned out HijacK wasn't scum, but whatever). So you're suggesting that since adalia was scum, he was lynched, he came back immediately as a spectre, imparted all his immense knowledge to me that he gathered instantly, while someone like yogsloth still doesn't know (although you do because you're spectre and "inquisitive"), then..."nightvoted" for some specific townie before being exorcised by the exorcist (because OF COURSE the Exorcist must exorcise the lynch, rather than give them a possibly scummy spectre vote), and in the mean time, Cristi got disappeared for some completely unknown, unconnected reason?
Can you see why adalia was "not so much as mentioned"? Or do you have a narrative to mention him that makes more sense than "Adalia was exorcised because he was lynched, Cristi disappeared because of use of some unknown power". Again, does either of it even matter to the problems at hand? If it does, since you are spectre and apparently know all the answers already, why not tell us instead of cryptic hints and accusations? And also please enlighten as to how adalia would have this information (with him not being as inquisitive or having as much time as you), while yogsloth does not.

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Bookwyrm627: Adalia squirming on the hook and slinging votes around could simply be distancing. Something like "That guy couldn't be my scum buddy because I voted for him frequently. Never mind me wandering off to vote other people repeatedly."
And getting people to join my vote wagon. I thought you said that it was inconceivable that scum would get one of their own killed? :D

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lotsofchickenwings: if cristigale was still able to use her coroner reveal power even though a spectre, wouldn't it make sense that scum could still use their powers even as a spectre? and what is their power? night chat, right?
Dunno about the rest of the theory, but cristigale was not able to use her coroner reveal power after death, she could only have announced the results of her last inquest (and even that seemed like a rushed rulechange to fix up a mistake made).
Posted May 25, 2016
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RWarehall: @Bookwyrm Regarding Post #663. I read that to mean you were told that scum were made aware spectres could not be NK'd prior to the mod post in the middle of Day 2, right? Because that really could be important...
I (clearly) knew before post 663 that spectre's couldn't be NK'd. I don't know specifically when/how scum were told, just that I apparently found out before scum did (since I was asking a lot of questions).

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babark: And yet they are not. So obviously scum is not as omnipotent and omniscient as you suggest.
You're right. Also, spectre powers are awesome! I can make someone's pants turn brown!

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babark: And also please enlighten as to how adalia would have this information (with him not being as inquisitive or having as much time as you), while yogsloth does not.
*shrug* I've said my piece. I think I'm going to shut my spectre mouth now.

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babark: And getting people to join my vote wagon. I thought you said that it was inconceivable that scum would get one of their own killed? :D
Nope, that isn't what I said. :P
Posted May 25, 2016
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trentonlf: I see we are still all sitting around pointing fingers at one another and getting nowhere. It seems the spectres are trying to help us, but it really comes down to us getting off our asses and coming to a consensus.

So flub, HSL, and LOCW who are you most willing to vote for as most likely scum? Right now the consensus is between me and JMich, all I can tell you is I'm not the one you want to lynch. If JMich is not the one we can agree on who do you think we should go for? I still suspect JMich, RW, babark, or drealmer as most likely scum.

Dragging this thing out till the deadline is pointless. Vote for who you think is the scummiest and we move on from there, not voting does nothing to help town so just VOTE.
Did my vote somehow go off JMich or did you mean someone else? As far as I know I'm already voting. I find JMich to be the most scummy.

@JMich - you think I'm following HSL too closely? Have you seen how long ago I had you on my leaning scum list? Sure I agree with some things HSL is saying. I've also had moments of agreeing heavily with adaliabooks and RW. I'm curious as to how / why it feels I'm "following HSL too closely." Examples please.

@trent - I'm currently voting JMich. I'd also vote Babark in a heartbeat. I think a scum exists within Drealmer, RW, HSL - but there is so much noise. As mentioned in a post last night - you are on my "meh" list - which means .... Meh - I think you're prolly town but I don't have a strong enough pull to either defend or attack you currently.
Posted May 25, 2016
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trentonlf: I see we are still all sitting around pointing fingers at one another and getting nowhere. It seems the spectres are trying to help us, but it really comes down to us getting off our asses and coming to a consensus.

So flub, HSL, and LOCW who are you most willing to vote for as most likely scum? Right now the consensus is between me and JMich, all I can tell you is I'm not the one you want to lynch. If JMich is not the one we can agree on who do you think we should go for? I still suspect JMich, RW, babark, or drealmer as most likely scum.

Dragging this thing out till the deadline is pointless. Vote for who you think is the scummiest and we move on from there, not voting does nothing to help town so just VOTE.
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lotsofchickenwings: Did my vote somehow go off JMich or did you mean someone else? As far as I know I'm already voting. I find JMich to be the most scummy.

@JMich - you think I'm following HSL too closely? Have you seen how long ago I had you on my leaning scum list? Sure I agree with some things HSL is saying. I've also had moments of agreeing heavily with adaliabooks and RW. I'm curious as to how / why it feels I'm "following HSL too closely." Examples please.

@trent - I'm currently voting JMich. I'd also vote Babark in a heartbeat. I think a scum exists within Drealmer, RW, HSL - but there is so much noise. As mentioned in a post last night - you are on my "meh" list - which means .... Meh - I think you're prolly town but I don't have a strong enough pull to either defend or attack you currently.
I know you have voted, I listed your name along with the others as I see y'all as most likely town and we need to all get on the same page. We are on the ropes and a bad lynch today probably ends it for us.
Posted May 25, 2016
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lotsofchickenwings: Did my vote somehow go off JMich or did you mean someone else? As far as I know I'm already voting. I find JMich to be the most scummy.

@JMich - you think I'm following HSL too closely? Have you seen how long ago I had you on my leaning scum list? Sure I agree with some things HSL is saying. I've also had moments of agreeing heavily with adaliabooks and RW. I'm curious as to how / why it feels I'm "following HSL too closely." Examples please.

@trent - I'm currently voting JMich. I'd also vote Babark in a heartbeat. I think a scum exists within Drealmer, RW, HSL - but there is so much noise. As mentioned in a post last night - you are on my "meh" list - which means .... Meh - I think you're prolly town but I don't have a strong enough pull to either defend or attack you currently.
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trentonlf: I know you have voted, I listed your name along with the others as I see y'all as most likely town and we need to all get on the same page. We are on the ropes and a bad lynch today probably ends it for us.
I don't like trusting you and or HSL, but RW is someone I could vote for if desperate tomorrow. ( real time not game )
Posted May 25, 2016
EBWOP -

I meant I don't like trusting Trent and yogs - on the RW front. Yogs claims he is 100% certain.
Posted May 25, 2016
Is it this hard? We have a truly 100% town player turned spectre saying Babark has information he just should not know in any other way except scum chat. Bookwyrm is our only confirmed town. He not only states his claim, unlike so many in this game, he even gives a good reason.

I had Babark as scummy yesterday, but dropped him off the list after Adalia voted him 3 times. It looked like more than distancing, but given new evidence, I'm overriding that and chalking that up to "Well played Adalia!". I also notice Babark is far more talkative today. Why do you think that might be?

Or we can stay on our respective sides and achieve a no-lynch or a last minute forced lynch where we enter tomorrow claiming how we made the wrong decision. Kinda like how we entered today, with a bunch of people who voted Adalia claiming he's not scum now....

@ChickenWings Yogs claims a lot of things. Yogs also can be wrong. If he's really town, tell me anyway how he can be "100% certain"? Only scum can be...and they don't always tell us the truth. Let's put it this way, Yogs is a player prone to exaggeration and hyperbole. He's a great player, and one of the reasons I voted for him to represent us in the mafia championships thing is that his splashy nature can be memorable (which is important to advance given that is by vote). That said, those of us who have played with him have gotten used to it. He will make claims that are over-exaggerated as town (or as scum). Guess what I'm saying is when Yogs claims something as "100% certain" that is the same as anyone else saying so-and-so is at the top of my scum list. No more, no less.

@Bookwyrm So you said you knew about spectres and NK's before scum. Just to make it clear, do you have information that scum were told about it before the clarification announcement?
Posted May 25, 2016
I didn't say I was "100% certain".

I said I was "full retard".

There's probably a difference.
Posted May 25, 2016
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agentcarr16: #1351 - Evil found out about Spectres in the Daybreak post.

#1378a - Lynched players become a Spectre at Nightfall. NKed players become a Spectre at Daybreak.

#1378b - I can't answer that.
This warrants a reread.


@agentcarr16

1. I assume that when a player becomes a Spectre, they're also given all the details about what that entails, yes?

2. If the only info Evil ever got was that in the D2 opening post, and that one does not explicitly say that Spectres can't be NK-ed, why did Bookwyrm627 say that they knew this? Did you share this piece of information in some other manner with Evil? Did he misunderstand you?
I get the feeling that you're being deliberately vague about this, and I can think of a reason you may be doing it, but things don't really add up between what you tell us and what Bookwyrm627 did and does.


Will be back after properly catching up with the thread and doing some rereading.
Posted May 25, 2016
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RWarehall: @Bookwyrm So you said you knew about spectres and NK's before scum. Just to make it clear, do you have information that scum were told about it before the clarification announcement?
We're skirting pretty close to the PM line here.

I don't know exactly when scum were told, beyond I happened to find out before they did. I don't remember the exact timing of my questioning, either.
Posted May 25, 2016
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RWarehall: Let's put it this way, Yogs is a player prone to exaggeration and hyperbole [...] That said, those of us who have played with him have gotten used to it. He will make claims that are over-exaggerated as town (or as scum).
Still laughing because this is so true.

Anyway, what time is it?

Has flubbucket delivered his "Plan for Town Victory" yet, so we can all follow him into glory?

Consider my plan officially scrapped. I'm still not sold that Scum managed to force a 5-vote lynch on a Townie, but there's enough uncertainty to force the group to throw it out the window.

I'm just going to go into the corner for a while. Maybe haunt an end table or something. Now it's a spoooooky end table.

Let me know if I'm needed. Knock on the table three times or something.
Posted May 25, 2016
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RWarehall: @Bookwyrm So you said you knew about spectres and NK's before scum. Just to make it clear, do you have information that scum were told about it before the clarification announcement?
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Bookwyrm627: We're skirting pretty close to the PM line here.

I don't know exactly when scum were told, beyond I happened to find out before they did. I don't remember the exact timing of my questioning, either.
What I'm trying to clarify. Yes or No answer.
Is it clear scum were told spectres couldn't be NK'd in some way before it was publicly announced?
Posted May 25, 2016
Re-looking at babark, to me, he certainly hasn't done anything to warrant voting for as far as I can see, especially compared to many others. I've got him leaning a bit more town than more than half of the other players here, actually.

HSL, could you see yourself potentially voting trent today?

trent, could you see yourself potentially voting HSL today?

yogsloth, could you see yourself potentially voting trent or HSL today?

RW, are you still comfortable voting trent or HSL today?

locw, how about you? either of them warranted enough actions/behaviors for you to be okay voting them today if they had viable wagons and it was coming close to the deadline? similar question to what you asked me about HijacK before the end of D2.

I don't know how much I'll be on today.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Bookwyrm627: [...] Anyone: Did Drealmer ever counter push on Dessimu during Day 1? [...]
Not sure what you'd count as "counter push", but this is, imho, the most I've found from D1.


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Bookwyrm627: [...]

Adalia isn't a bad player, but he can make mistakes. I think they mounted up, and there just wasn't enough pressure away from him for him to escape lynch a second Day. I seem to recall you specifically mentioning that pressure needs to stay on him, back when I mentioned what I thought was a slip.

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Yes, I did say that, and I stand by it - pressure needs to stay on him if/when one thinks he's Mafia.



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drealmer7: [...] HSL, seriously? You fail to comprehend what I meant and are twisting it all around? Surprise surprise. [...].
Please forgive me, It was silly of me to think that you'd be able to have a rational exchange with me, instead of repeating that "twisting twisting twisting" mantra of yours.



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lotsofchickenwings: HSL:
"- Does a Mafia player continue to scum-chat with their buddies if they've become a Spectre? "

A "I can't answer that" doesn't always equate to the affirmative, but let's look at it logically - if cristigale was still able to use her coroner reveal power even though a spectre, wouldn't it make sense that scum could still use their powers even as a spectre? and what is their power? night chat, right?

Therefore - whoever was asking "how could adaliabooks have told babark....." if adaliabooks could still night chat then your answer is right there.
Their actual power is the NK, the chat is complementary and serves them to exchange thoughts opinions, and make the (collective) decision whom to target.

The thing with cristigale was more of a mod "slip" than her retaining her powers after becoming a Spectre.
Putting that aside, I can see a Mafia-Spectre being able to chat with their scum-buddies until permanently removed from the game. If it's a thing, they may be told in their Spectre PM, if not, they can simply ask the mod, or attempt to post in the scum-chat and see if the mod cuts them off.



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RWarehall: [...]

@HSL Funny how you also leave out that Adalia also seemed to have such advance knowledge...why are you claiming to be so sure no scum are dead again? Sure seemed to take you a long time finding the right post to make a case, huh? Let's see what Bookwyrm can add... [...]
Funny how for all your reading past posts you say I left that out.
Look, it's clear you're trying just about everything to paint me as Scum and push for my lynch, but try to stick with the facts.

Here's where it all started with adaliabooks. You can read on his exchanges with Bookwyrm627 in posts #662, #663, #665 and #668.
Here's where I get in the picture (last half of that post). You can read his exchanges with me in posts #678, #692, #695, and #698.
Here's my initial post about JMich having advance knowledge - see how I started?
And here's where I said it again, and in a reply to you nonetheless.

So please, tell me again how I left out that adaliabooks seemed to have the same advance knowledge.

And while you're at it, please point out - with links, not your interpretation - where I claimed to be sure that no Scum is dead.


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