Posted May 24, 2016
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
I could even vote trentonlf, although it would only be for science.
To be blunt, if anyone isn't seeing this as we've lost by now then they aren't reading.
Now, I'm finding it a little funny how you are falling into the "we've lost" team. You did vote for Adalia, right? Do you now not think he's scum?
You want to "vote for science"? Just give the word. I'll place a vote, or you place a vote, and the 2nd person, votes and unvotes in the same post. The 1st then immediately retracts their post too just in case there might be opportunistic scum around.
If Yogs and HSL are right, and only scum don't require a majority, why not break the game for a town win? And if Trent doesn't die at 5 votes, let's do the same to JMich and see what happens.
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
...
RW is pushing a pretty scum-centric agenda. adalia was 100% scum, yog is scum, I can't see drealmer because he's invisibe, etc.
You would have to have four votes on somebody, then have the fifth player cast his vote and then quickly unvote in the same post. That way, if it is a five-vote candidate, it will count - and if it isn't, if it's a Townie, the unvote prevents the scumhammer. With hopefully one of the first four at the ready to unvote quickly as well.
Good luck us.
I mean, nobody likes this plan, fine, how's it working out so far?
I think we may actually be mechanically locked in for Scum victory, but I intend to go down swinging.
Or, more likely, I'll go down sitting, staring into space, waiting for the rest of you to foment coherent opinion, like watching paint dry.
I have yet to hear anybody else put together any kind of pro-Town action plan other than "everybody vote in separate directions and not really do anything".
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted May 24, 2016
[emphasis added]
I see we've moved from word twisting up to blatant putting words in my mouth. Is it desperation I smell in the air?
HypersomniacLive: [...] Interesting that your push on me started after the mod revealed that not everyone needs a majority to get lynched. While JMich has 3 votes on him... [...] 
RWarehall: [...] Notice how you two and Trent all jumped on me after I voted HSL...did I hit close to home? [...] HypersomniacLive: Again with the accusing you about Bookwryrm627 and crsitigale. I guess repeating it enough times will make it true. [...] RWarehall: [...] That you are playing the Republican party card, if you repeat the same lie long enough, people will start believing it. [...] [emphasis added]
It would be refreshing if you tried to refrain from piggybacking on my arguments. Guess you just had to try my take and see if it works for you, eh?
RWarehall: I[...] I highly suggest if you are town, read for yourself the posts HSL thinks "proves" JMich as scum. Use your own judgement. I do think one of the two are scum. I just think its HSL. [...] If you're Town as you claim, why not suggest him to read both mine and JMich posts, and make his own judgement?
RWarehall: I[...] For the record, I'm not totally averse to Trent. [...] But if we get toward the end of the day Trent is high enough up my list, I will vote him to make a lynch.
I think that makes 4 for Trent. Anyone want to test Yogs idea that only scum have lost a majority? I'd be willing to vote Trent now if Trent wants to vote and unvote himself in the same post.... Failed to get a wagon rolling on me, so it's trentonlf's turn. Gottcha.
RWarehall: Look HSL...what you think you've caught as a scum tell from JMich seems to rely on the idea that scum somehow was informed they couldn't kill a spectre. What I've seen from this game, information seems to be made public for all. While it's possible scum might have asked this question and gotten an answer, a number of people came out and told you they believed the exact same thing before it was officially announced. [...]
But when you started playing the same game with me. Claiming how I didn't read your posts. I did. And how I must be scum because I didn't agree with you, I realized this is what you are doing to discredit those who might be a threat. As such, since I'm town, it's making me much more inclined to believe JMich is town too and you are the scum. Hence why you earned my vote. Mafia were informed by the mod that they couldn't kill a Spectre at D2 start. Go back and read the thread, as apparently that "reading the past posts" isn't working all that well.
That's not the point though. Nor is you agreeing with me or not.
The point is that JMich never claimed to have just assumed that Spectres can't be NK-ed, or to have misread or misunderstood the D2 opening post (where this piece of information was not in). His reaction was an attempt at casting doubt and shade on me, and fear-mongering. It's all in his post #885. I've linked it a couple of times for you, I've even quoted the relevant part of it. I also linked you the relevant posts that followed, cristigale's comment on it included.
And you simply refuse, over and over again, to look into any of this. Because you know it look bad for JMich, and you can't find a way to spin it in a pro-Town way. And that hurts your narrative about me. So, you go the ignore-route, and this is the bigger point.
This, along with other reactions of yours I've mentioned, is why I think you must be Scum, and am willing to test yogsloth's plan on you.
RWarehall: [...] And Yogs, if somehow you aren't scum, [...]
If we are to win, we need to lynch right and hope scum NKs wrong. [emphasis added]
So according to you, adaliabooks was Scum, and yogsloth's also Scum. All we need is to lynch the one remaining Scum Today, and we're done, we've won. There won't be a N4. So, if we lynch right, who's going to do the Mafia NK Tonight? If we lynch right Today, why do we even need to consider what happens N4?
But I see you were quicker than me and already made a turn; nice try, a bit too late, I'm afraid.
I see we've moved from word twisting up to blatant putting words in my mouth. Is it desperation I smell in the air?
It would be refreshing if you tried to refrain from piggybacking on my arguments. Guess you just had to try my take and see if it works for you, eh?
I think that makes 4 for Trent. Anyone want to test Yogs idea that only scum have lost a majority? I'd be willing to vote Trent now if Trent wants to vote and unvote himself in the same post....
But when you started playing the same game with me. Claiming how I didn't read your posts. I did. And how I must be scum because I didn't agree with you, I realized this is what you are doing to discredit those who might be a threat. As such, since I'm town, it's making me much more inclined to believe JMich is town too and you are the scum. Hence why you earned my vote.
That's not the point though. Nor is you agreeing with me or not.
The point is that JMich never claimed to have just assumed that Spectres can't be NK-ed, or to have misread or misunderstood the D2 opening post (where this piece of information was not in). His reaction was an attempt at casting doubt and shade on me, and fear-mongering. It's all in his post #885. I've linked it a couple of times for you, I've even quoted the relevant part of it. I also linked you the relevant posts that followed, cristigale's comment on it included.
And you simply refuse, over and over again, to look into any of this. Because you know it look bad for JMich, and you can't find a way to spin it in a pro-Town way. And that hurts your narrative about me. So, you go the ignore-route, and this is the bigger point.
This, along with other reactions of yours I've mentioned, is why I think you must be Scum, and am willing to test yogsloth's plan on you.
If we are to win, we need to lynch right and hope scum NKs wrong.
So according to you, adaliabooks was Scum, and yogsloth's also Scum. All we need is to lynch the one remaining Scum Today, and we're done, we've won. There won't be a N4. So, if we lynch right, who's going to do the Mafia NK Tonight? If we lynch right Today, why do we even need to consider what happens N4?
But I see you were quicker than me and already made a turn; nice try, a bit too late, I'm afraid.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
This trial idea has it's appeal, but I am with JMich in that I think it has too many holes to really do any good, but if we talk about them, I could be good with going on with it (however, deadline is closer now, so, maybe not?) Trent would have to be first, though.
here are some concerns I'd like to discuss before going on with it (not like I need to do anything, my vote is already on trent) -
Like, what if Evil spectre's votes don't count? What if they don't count on fellow Evils and only on Good? What if....what if... what if....?
that is a horrible case, man and your "waiting for the rest of you to foment coherent opinion," applies to you more than a handful of others...
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
1) Clearly the fact I think Adalia is scum makes me "scum-centric". I'm not totally 100% but am pretty close and thus far not a single person has even tried to get a cogent reason why Adalia was town beyond "I think so".
2) You being scum, I raised the possibility...
3) Apparently it isn't just me then, I don't see a single vote on him. And why should I vote him when I don't think he's scum if Adalia is scum? Same for JMich and Babark? Because frankly, the only reason I'm not in favor of lynching Babark is I don't see him on a scum team with Adalia.
And frankly, I like your plan as a shot in the dark, as you may see in the post above. I find Trent scummier than JMich and both have 3 votes still I think. I'd be more than happy to test your theory with someone. Trent first, then JMich. See what happens. Not sure how happy Trent might be with us breaking the game like this, but a win is better than a loss.
You of all people accusing people of twisting words...
But seriously, you are claiming the mod specifically said that scum was informed they couldn't night kill spectres at the beginning of day 2? That, I do not recall, do you have a post number?
Post edited May 24, 2016 by RWarehall
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
1) Clearly the fact I think Adalia is scum makes me "scum-centric". I'm not totally 100% but am pretty close and thus far not a single person has even tried to get a cogent reason why Adalia was town beyond "I think so".
2) You being scum, I raised the possibility...
3) Apparently it isn't just me then, I don't see a single vote on him. And why should I vote him when I don't think he's scum if Adalia is scum? Same for JMich and Babark? Because frankly, the only reason I'm not in favor of lynching Babark is I don't see him on a scum team with Adalia.
And frankly, I like your plan as a shot in the dark, as you may see in the post above. I find Trent scummier than JMich and both have 3 votes still I think. I'd be more than happy to test your theory with someone. Trent first, then JMich. See what happens. Not sure how happy Trent might be with us breaking the game like this, but a win is better than a loss.
But seriously, you are claiming the mod specifically said that scum was informed they couldn't night kill spectres at the beginning of day 2? That, I do not recall, do you have a post number?
agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
What's the bleedin' vote count?
My suggested order for testing my plan, if we can get babark, flub, chicken to do it... and ooooh boy is that a stretch... is RW, drealmer, JMich.
But we gotta move now. We have to rely heavily on players who only post once a day, so we probably can't even get to everybody.
Rough and brootal.
My suggested order for testing my plan, if we can get babark, flub, chicken to do it... and ooooh boy is that a stretch... is RW, drealmer, JMich.
But we gotta move now. We have to rely heavily on players who only post once a day, so we probably can't even get to everybody.
Rough and brootal.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
My suggested order for testing my plan, if we can get babark, flub, chicken to do it... and ooooh boy is that a stretch... is RW, drealmer, JMich.
But we gotta move now. We have to rely heavily on players who only post once a day, so we probably can't even get to everybody.
Rough and brootal.
@HSL And heck, if the mods did actually say they specifically told scum that spectres could not be night killed at the beginning of Day 2...You'd have my vote on JMich. I did not catch that (if its true). Otherwise, you are still continuing to flog a dead horse and have been vainly attempting to paint JMich based on your own misread or malevolence.
HypersomniacLive
The Reluctant Voter
Registered: Sep 2011
From Vatican City
Posted May 24, 2016
You of all people accusing people of twisting words...
But seriously, you are claiming the mod specifically said that scum was informed they couldn't night kill spectres at the beginning of day 2? That, I do not recall, do you have a post number?
Here's the mod post that made it clear for all. So much for rereading posts and trying to figure out things. Oh right, it's faulty memory now.
And you're still deflecting and refusing to address what I've now, what? for the n-th time, have pointed out to you. But that's just part of your M.O. of selectively replying, and completely ignoring parts that don't fit your narrative. Yep, totally obvi Town behaviour.
RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
"They didn't know about the Spectres until the Day 2 opening post."
That's your proof? HSL, you are full of shit. That does not say scum was given any special information that the rest of us received. That says they learned it with the same post we all saw.
Talk about reading the thread thoroughly...
Now is anyone else willing to vote out HSL, since his whole argument has been thoroughly debunked...
That's your proof? HSL, you are full of shit. That does not say scum was given any special information that the rest of us received. That says they learned it with the same post we all saw.
Talk about reading the thread thoroughly...
Now is anyone else willing to vote out HSL, since his whole argument has been thoroughly debunked...
yogsloth
GRAAAAAAH!!!!!
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted May 24, 2016
OK, so no votes in days. If agent's last tally is correct, it's this:
trentonlf: 3 (drealmer7, babark, JMich)
JMich: 3 (HypersomniacLive, trentonlf, lotsofchickenwings)
HSL: 1 (RWarehall)
Not voting: Bookwyrm627, flubbucket, yogsloth
So basically we can start with JMich, if flub changes his vote with his one post-per-48-hour period and babark is willing to try as well.
(I know full well I'm just blowing hot air here. It will never happen. I am herding cats who only want to sleep and play with the string. This is more for the posterity aspect after the game, when I can say "I told you so".)
trentonlf: 3 (drealmer7, babark, JMich)
JMich: 3 (HypersomniacLive, trentonlf, lotsofchickenwings)
HSL: 1 (RWarehall)
Not voting: Bookwyrm627, flubbucket, yogsloth
So basically we can start with JMich, if flub changes his vote with his one post-per-48-hour period and babark is willing to try as well.
(I know full well I'm just blowing hot air here. It will never happen. I am herding cats who only want to sleep and play with the string. This is more for the posterity aspect after the game, when I can say "I told you so".)
agentcarr16
Vagabond
Registered: Mar 2014
From Canada
Posted May 24, 2016
Fine. Here's an official votecount, now that yogsloth has given you one.
Votecount
trentonlf: 3 (drealmer7, babark, JMich)
JMich: 3 (HypersomniacLive, trentonlf, lotsofchickenwings)
HSL: 1 (RWarehall)
Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, flubbucket, yogsloth
Trentonlf and JMich are tied for closest to Lynch.
Votecount
trentonlf: 3 (drealmer7, babark, JMich)
JMich: 3 (HypersomniacLive, trentonlf, lotsofchickenwings)
HSL: 1 (RWarehall)
Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, flubbucket, yogsloth
Trentonlf and JMich are tied for closest to Lynch.