But here's what i don't like that last line. It does sound better. I'd take a 6:2 split, over everything. It's crazy hard to win if it's 5:3....but here's why I bring this up. I lean towards Adalia is scum. But - what I won't lean with, is you being so confident of Adalia being scum that that dictates your choice of scum teams. If you are scum and it's 3:5 - of course you want to paint Adalia as scum and then easily point to two others as accomplices. I hope she was scum.






I've been keeping my eye on you the whole game, never discounting the possibility that you could be scum because I know how slick you are at this game, not one single post (I think) has given me any single register on my scum-dar for you. But this one sets it off the scale. Why do you find JMich, babark, and yogsloth to be the most likely Evil?


@drealmer. not sure why that pings you, unless you had forgotten my post 883, part of which is below. It's not anything new for me to say. Jmich and babark are on my scum list below and yogs was in the undecided.


883
"
Can you please explain why you have "multiple PMs". As far as I can see it's the most self-incriminating evidence.

Currently i read as town: HSL, Drealmer7, Trent, flubb, and Worm/ Cristi

Learning scum: adaliabooks, Jmich, babark

Undecided: yogs / RW "

This is total speculation as I have no idea, I keep wondering what happened to cristi and I think either she had to sacrifice herself to reveal to us who she had investigated or there can only be two spectres at on time. I lean toward there can only be two spectres at one time, but as I said it's just a guess.

I also still don't think adaliabooks was scum, if he was I read him wrong and he fooled me. But I am going forward on the assumption that he was town.

My vote is on JMich and will stay there unless the majority want to lynch either babark or drealmer.

This plus 1192? If you were online, I'd give you more of a chance to respond, because I'm genuinely curious. If you think Adalia is scum, which I get the vibe you do. How the h*** did I pull off what I did?

I really wish I could ask you this question more objectively. But I'm noting for myself and everyone here - your claim about Drealmer. Why? Because you seem so on top of everything. You really do. And you are giving a major pass to Drealmer. The first slip I've seen from you.

I'm torn between making you figure out what you said that was factually incorrect, or giving you the benefit of the doubt and just telling you why you are factually incorrect.

Please read these and tell me then, if you still claim "I doubt think it's Drealmer who had Adalia as a suspect for a long time and was the first vote. Leaves you and ChickenWings. "

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post747

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post822

Now, I know what you're thinking....maybe I was so clever that I could pull that off, fight for the death up until just the last minute where I change my vote:

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_game_40_wilderberry_hollow/post1136

But I didn't change my vote, and JMich wasn't some yahoo - he was one of the other three i had leaning scum. And that was also less than 3 hours before the deadline. If you think Adalia is scum, and that I'm also scum - that's the biggest compliment I've gotten all game.

Are you and Drealmer wildly successful scumbuddies?

I mention it because I considered it.
1) Adalia looks like scum to me.
2) Adalia got lynched so looked like scum to most players.
3) Our odds are better following this course.

I guess I'm fishing for reasons why it makes sense to give it more than cursory consideration. I don't want the conflicting option to become a distraction to cause a no-lynch. We were uncomfortably close to a no-lynch yesterday, although I think it was a done deal without the self-lynch, it was close. If today goes along the same polarizing lines as yesterday, we may have a problem.

It might make sense under an Adalia town / Yog scum scenario as then we'd only have 2 lynches to go too. Yet, I think that would be wishful thinking.

On top of that, if we have a 5:3 split and 6 votes needed to lynch, we need 6 of 7 town on the same page and that may not be possible if spectres again have performance anxiety.

Mods: Does this game have Ghost Viagra?

I think it is more a matter of we will drive ourselves crazy if we keep waffling too much on whether it was the right choice or not. We can't know one way or the other, and in order to keep focus and move forward we kind of have to "go with it" and move on. He's not (in my view) stomping down the idea that adalia could have been town, and is open to hearing arguments as to why people think he was town, (@trent, can you tell us WHY you think adalia was town rather than just repeating "I still think he was town" ? it'd be great if others could try and see your view, which, also, I'd love to hear your argument as to why you think I'm possible scum), but in order to make a decision moving forward, one kind of has to just stick with it and make further decisions based on that mindset. It's not ideal and not normally how games work, but I think it is the way to go with this one. With that, yes, HSL, I've "decided" that adalia is Evil for the purposes of allowing my thought processes to move forward. I am open to being shown why I could be wrong, and will listen and reconsider when new things are presented, but nothing so far has had me switch my "decision", and so I continue to move forward with the thought that: with adalia being scum, then, then, then, this this this...

I'll also add that in this setup and most games a townie voting themselves is a huge anti-town move (narrowing the pool even moreso in this setup), and re-emphasizes the doubt scum would love to draw on everything and add confusion by making it look like a pro-town move (like I said would be how it would go before it happened.)

Don't let the OMGUS monster get you, he is just trying to analyze. As I see it RW and I are two Good who are mostly on the same page and so have more or less decided to go with the confidence that we are working together for the Good of all Good. Sometimes things make so much sense and seem to feel so right (hence that feeling of trust you are getting, I think) because they actually are. I've doubted myself a lot in games when I start to come to that feeling of such trust, and each time I've gone against the trust out of fear, and have been wrong. I understand why it makes you stop and catch and think, but, I would say go with it at this point, if you feel it and see no glaring indications that it is otherwise (I mean, you'd have to then consider that a4plz and I were scum-buddies and that whole thing was just an act of me being upset with her lynching HijacK, and then her being replaced after all of it, what, to make it look very genuine? that is really far-fetched, sooo, probably best to go with the more likely scenario that actually "feels" right.)

Having said all of this I did a double-check on myself and the situation in a slightly panicked "OMG what if RW is Evil and is just leading me on!", and really, it just doesn't make sense for that to be that way. Self checked, moving forward with logic and a good feeling that RW is Good too. It is that fear that will suck you down with doubt and second-guessing that can be dangerous. Yes, it's good to do the check and re-analyze, but don't let the fear take hold and ultimately rule over reason.

This is your scum team? Then explain to me how this works better than Adalia, Flub, HSL as a team. [HSL inserted here as I'm still on the fence between you and he]

@ChickenWIngs Ok, I didn't really go back and read you specifically. Let's just say, while you may be my 2nd option for that slot, I did vote Flub. I'll leave it to you to figure out what that means...

@Drealmer We don't need long wagons right now. Keep your vote on your top suspect, that is where I have mine. What we need to do right now is talk this through, get everyone's ideas, and figure out how to win this thing. We have a couple days before we should get lynch serious.

I'm not scum as much as you and drealmer would like me to be, and I don't see flub as scum either.

I'd love to hear more from Babark.

Also - @yogs - can we please get more out of you than "Hahhaha scum" and "wanting you academy award"? Don't get me wrong - I know you love how many haters there were on you (myself included) thinking you high-probability scum. But we actually really need your help. Do you finally want to address the multiple PMs?

Why do you think you were killed? Can you think of one person actively against you that might have wanted you dead and one person that never brought it up that maybe targeted you as a threat. Worm and cristigale have been invaluable as specters. please join their spirits of Wisdom (though - not where cristigale is currently )

Now if you are actually scum - than ignore all of the above.

Hey everyone - sorry, I'm not even caught up, I ain't read squat most of the day.

WEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPEEEEEEEEEENS my FREEEEEEEEEEEEEENS

(Haven't you always noticed Freddy Mercury misses a consonant or two in that song?)

Anyway, I'm assuming the deadline isn't until 2023 or something so I'll try and get caught up tomorrow.

But I can see the post right above this, so I'll help ya, chickenwing. In case it weren't obvious, CSPVG only had one PM. I completely, totally, utterly lied about that. And then when everyone started pressuring me I acted embarrassed and evasive. I entered the game with probably two power roles already out (wasn't sure about cristi's alignment until she got the mod to confirm her read) so I figured that the very best I could do would be to barge into the thread, pretend I hadn't read the rules thoroughly, and WHUPS let slip I had multiple PMs. Scum would have to believe I was the exorcist, and regardless of what happened during the day, whack me.

They struck me down, and I became more powerful than they know! Dun dun DUHN!

...

Actually, no, this pretty much blows. As wyrm could tell you. I don't know what they got, but my parting gift on my journey to the afterworld was pretty much a fruit basket, with nothing in it but prunes. I'm afraid I won't be much help today... but at least I can vote.

See ya tomorrow.

Superb argument!!! I'm convinced! *sarcasm*

ftfy

I'm looking forward to reading scum-chat after the game and seeing their discussion about whether to kill you or not. In my view they did Good a big favor by NKing you because I think you would have been at least part of the focus today and things would look much differently than they do now. To me it was looking like I had to seriously consider you as possible scum (err, after the realization that as the PR you wouldn't have made that slip about the PMs) and I wouldn't have been sure if you were trying to gain town-cred with a false soft-claim or trying to draw the NK, if you'd have lived (don't you wish you wouldn't have listened to that part of my analysis of yogs, scummers?) I probably would have tried to go after you and they would have probably been able to convince a handful of others that you were a threat that needed to be eliminated and at the same time been safe on your wagon no matter their positions.

dooopadooooo

Freddy Mercury is amazing, isn't he? He removes a consonant and at the same time adds a syllable to the same word!

What do Freddy Mercury and yogsloth have in common? They are both Great Pretenders!

You understand how a player can just get under your skin.

Perhaps my judgement is clouded. For the record, if I'm correct I will quickly say "I told you so."

Your posts have clearly been in line with my early assertion of a4plz being town. I will be gone most of the day today so I'll look closer at things later tonight or tomorrow.


Unvote: dremel7

pretender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kcYqFuSko


then who are the 2-3 you see as being most scum?

As I've already said JMich, babark, and either drealmer or RW.

Our chances of actually winning this are slim to none, we've already lost two PR's and I still don't think we've lynched a scum yet. If drealmer has his way we still will not have lynched a scum by the end of this day.

We are at a point that every lynch needs to be a scum lynch, and with no flips or a coroner anymore it's a crap shoot. We've played a poor game as town, scum have had it easy with all the squabbling to hide behind.

@worym @yogs

what do you think of drealmer and trent's ongoing bickering? Noise - or somebody one is scum trying to get a wagon rolling for an obstacle?

i just don't get it - in the sense that it's been going on the whole game. are they always this antagonistic towards each other?

I've been leaning Jmich and Babark for a while - but then i find it odd that Trent agrees with me, but then says he think the third is either RW or Drealmer.