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JMich: Flipped votes around a bunch? Seriously?
I had one vote on HSL. I then moved that vote to adalia. I temporarily removed the vote to allow cristi to ask some questions. I then put the vote back. Once mod posted coroner's results, I removed the vote.
And who have I been casting shade towards?
For you, yeah, that's flipping around.

And maybe we'll lynch you and after you flip nothing whatsoever we'll know who you didn't do anything with nobody some more.

When's the damn deadline? Can someone just end it already? I'm getting ready to just frigging shoot myself.
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yogsloth: When's the damn deadline? Can someone just end it already? I'm getting ready to just frigging shoot myself.
If you wanted to vote yourself, that's a wagon I'd still be willing to join :P
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JMich: Where do I mention one scum in those calculations? If the exorcist dies, scum win. If one scum dies, game continues. The one character refers to the last PR.
That's what I got as I read it. Town has a slightly less than 50% chance of winning, scum need to get lucky once, killing the right person would end the game. If we nail the scum first, we win, while if scum nails the last PR first, he wins. However, scum would have a better idea of who he needs to hit, and mislynches may win it for him while NK's definitely won't win it for us.

Those miscommunications seem to be everywhere.
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yogsloth: He flipped votes around a bunch, and more than that, seems to be casting shade around where it seems likely to stick.

I made a big WRRRROOOAOARRRRR adalia push and I don't like the way he rolled around in it.

[...].
"He flipped votes around a bunch" is a stretch, and I"m being kind calling it that.

Elaborate on the other two things, be specific, provide links - what's the shade he cast around? What was your big adaliabooks push?



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JMich: Ah, thank you, it seems we still have trouble communicating.
No, the ~50% for town to win (40-60 may be closer) is without assuming the spectres can post mod messages.

[...]
I somehow doubt it's miscommunication issues what we have here.
Ever since your post #1012 I've been questioning you around the suggestion you made that Spectres may be messing with the mod's posts. Why would I suddenly drop that and go and ask you about the odds of Town winning in general, and unrelated to what you said in that post?

And since I still haven't gotten an answer, I'm asking you again - when you first thought about the Spectres messing with the mod's posts mechanic, and put it together with everything else we know about the game setup, the mechanics, roles, the N0 scum-chat window, did you think that Town still has a realistic chance, even if very small, of actually winning this?


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JMich: My argument stems from your "You lynch me, town loses" line. It did read like a desperate attempt of the last surviving scum to be kept alive. [...]
If you thought he acted as the desperate last surviving Scum, wouldn't that mean that what you said he advocated (that crisigale and HijacK were lying Scum) was something you thought more likely to be true? And wouldn't that mean that when cristigale claimed you thought more likely that she lied? Wouldn't that mean that you thought it more likely that Mafia first let, or at least couldn't prevent, their own get lynched, and after that happened, they killed one more of their own (I assume for town-cred)?

This still sounds like what adaliabooks said in his post #1009...
Why would you think that if Mafia was down by one end of D2, offing one more of their own in N2 and starting D3 with only one left was a sound Mafia-strategy? What is the benefit for Mafia to implement such a plan?

I'm having trouble following this... and I hope you won't call it another miscommunication.
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HypersomniacLive: And since I still haven't gotten an answer, I'm asking you again - when you first thought about the Spectres messing with the mod's posts mechanic, and put it together with everything else we know about the game setup, the mechanics, roles, the N0 scum-chat window, did you think that Town still has a realistic chance, even if very small, of actually winning this?
Train of thought.
Mod posts a message. Read the message. Could someone be manipulating the mod? Who could be manipulating the mod? Do we have people with unknown powers? What would that mean for current scum suspects?
Post hypothesis.
Prod hypothesis. What does that mean about the rest of the game? Are there things that don't hold up under scrutiny? Does someone confirm or deny said hypothesis? Is the hypothesis still worth following?

So no, at that point, I didn't give a second thought to whether town could win if dead scum could manipulate the mod to post messages. And since wyrm did give reasons to believe that said hypothesis can be tossed out the window, I did subsequently ignored the possibility of spectres being able to manipulate the mod.
Still waiting an answer on how a coroner's power was used by a spectre, but doubt you can answer me that.

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HypersomniacLive: I'm having trouble following this... and I hope you won't call it another miscommunication.
See train of thought above. Start with "Who can possibly say that if we lynch him, town loses, then backtrack and say a mislynch means town loses". Could they be playing us for a fool? Why would they be doing that?
Thus the reason I don't often vote for someone early on. Then again, 3 days of misunderstanding do seem excessive, thus a vote, and a post pointing out a possible coaching. Then when the mod posts something that casts doubt on the hypothesis, withdraw to reevaluate.
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HypersomniacLive: Elaborate on the other two things, be specific, provide links - what's the shade he cast around?
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JMich: Train of thought.
Mod posts a message. Read the message. Could someone be manipulating the mod? Who could be manipulating the mod? Do we have people with unknown powers? What would that mean for current scum suspects?
Oh my god can we just kill someone?

Me, anyone, I don't care!
Hacking adalia's password to access GOG account:

SUCCESSFUL
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JMich: (...)
Still waiting an answer on how a coroner's power was used by a spectre, but doubt you can answer me that.
(...)
The coroner's power was used by a Spectre because the moderator is having trouble keeping everything straight in his head.


I forgot about the rule that Spectres don't keep their abilities. However, the situation was in line with what I had intended for the Undertaker, therefore I notified the Undertaker that they could still report their most recent investigation.


Official Rules Edit

If the Herbalist becomes a Spectre, they may no longer use their Doctor ability.

If the Undertaker becomes a Spectre, they may no longer use their Coroner ability. However, they may still call for their most recent investigation to be posted publicly.

If the Exorcist becomes a Spectre, they may no longer use their Unique ability.


Votecount

adaliabooks: 4 (drealmer7, RWarehall, lotsofchickenwings, flubbucket)
JMich: 2 (yogsloth, trentonlf)
babark: 1 (adaliabooks)
trentonlf: 1 (babark)

Not Voting: Bookwyrm627, cristigale, HypersomniacLive, JMich

Adaliabooks is closest to Lynch


The deadline is Wednesday, May 18 at 20:00 EST.
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yogsloth: Hacking adalia's password to access GOG account:

SUCCESSFUL
Literally laughing my ass off here.

:D
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JMich: Train of thought.
Mod posts a message. Read the message. Could someone be manipulating the mod? Who could be manipulating the mod? Do we have people with unknown powers? What would that mean for current scum suspects?
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yogsloth:
Do you have anything from before you made post #1034?
So (without going all drealmer) let's assume that you guys believe I'm town.

Are the scum more likely to have got off my wagon or stayed on it?

I have chickenwings leaning town, but everyone else currently on my wagon I could go either way on (in order of scuminess; flub, drealmer, RWarehall)

At least drealmer's consistent, the other three felt more like opportunistic votes to me (kind of let's jump on something that's rolling, an idea I'd normally approve of but not with the circumstances and win condition we face in this game)

But on the other hand we have yogs and JMich, who have both stepped back (yogs says he's no longer interested, JMich that he may revote), and I have both of those leaning reasonably scummy too..

So given we have no flips, would scum bother coming off my wagon (or buddying up to me by doing so, considering my survival is still in doubt) or would they just sit it out hoping to get a lynch, and end the game with the NK if they're lucky?
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HypersomniacLive: Do you have anything from before you made post #1034?
Yes, no, I don't know, watermelons.
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yogsloth: Yes, no, I don't know, watermelons.
Gee, that almost sounds like you're being deliberately unhelpful.
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yogsloth: Yes, no, I don't know, watermelons.
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HypersomniacLive: Gee, that almost sounds like you're being deliberately unhelpful.
He just knows I'm watching and taking notes.