Unvote adaliabooks

The mod confirming the coroner's report does mean that both cristigale and HijacK claims are most likely true, thus my whole line of thought on adalia is no longer valid. I still don't like his "lynch me and town loses" line, but it does get a pass for now.

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I really need to reread your arguments then... surely knowing for certain I helped push the wagon on a town PR should put me in a worse light, not better?

I don't particularly want to die (not much anyway), but that seems like a particularly odd line of reasoning...
I'm starting to wonder if you are scum and worried you'll be next if they lynch me... or you don't want to be on my wagon in case there is a flip and you don't want to be on a townies wagon...

Hmmm

In what way, shape, or form would Hijack's claim NOT be true after the cororner's report?

For that matter, how is Cristigale not more confirmed town than I am, now?

Unvote babark

Vote JMich

Rereading JMich's posts and discussion with Hyper I'm not entirely sure what his reason for voting me was. I assumed (like others) he thought I was role fishing or something...

But that last post makes it seem like he thought that cristi and HijacK were my buddies and I bussed one and NK'd the other, and then tried to make them seem as scummy as possible with my posts (presumably to gain town cred?).

And as Bookwyrm pointed out, how is there anyway HijacK (and cristi pretty much by extension) is not confirmed town after the mod confirmed it? He's already told us he has not and is not lying to us (so unless you assume that is itself a lie) so it's not like we have reason to doubt that...

The whole thing looks pretty suspect now...

Looking at another player for reasons unrelated to scum hunting? Are you cheating on me, flubbucket? How can I be well?



Everybody wants him, but not everyone admits it.



The exchange between cristigale and Bookweyrm627 is certainly intriguing, and I wish the Goons to spend their Night-Chat time trying to figure it out without getting any wiser.
I've been keeping an eye for a sign regarding their abilities ever since the D2 opening post. There's one thing that might be read as one, we'll see post game.


Why did you say this?



Would you mind sharing what that something is?


One thing I've noticed is that none of the players that put a vote on either one took it back (actual RVS votes excluded).

Not sure how much can be taken away from the wagons, I'm leaning towards the reads that our Spectres gave before dying, combined with related comments they made, may prove more useful.




Do you really think it's necessary for cristigale to clarify? May I suggest you finally put some effort into reading the D2 opening post properly?

For anyone that hasn't done it already, go read on the Coroner on MafiaWiki, especially the first of the variations. I had asked agentcarr16 about the Coroner, and he replied in a way that, combined with his post # 994, tells me that our Undertaker was a slight variation of the first MafiaWiki Coroner variation.
I was hoping we'd get such reports from the mod; unfortunately our Undertaker died young and early.



Tell me about it.



And JMich's post #1006 raised my eyebrow a bit more, again. Curious to see what he has to say.

You know what they say about assumptions....

I have read and reread that post a number of times, I know it states Spectres lose their powers. But RWarehall's post suggested he thought this would be a regular occurrence despite cristi's death. So either I misunderstood him or it does need to be clarified so we are all on the same page.
Plus I'd rather hear it straight from the horses mouth as it were.

Totally understandable, but moreso I am really disappointed in Good for the D2 lynch than the no-lynch on D1 (objectively, seperate from the fact that mine was the only viable wagon, it could have been anyone's and I'd feel the same way right now, unless I viewed them as Evil D1.) It was a huge blunder, imo, and it should have never been allowed to happen, and despite a4plz being the ignorant hammerer, it is the veterans that should have known better than to let that happen (though I'm still not a proponent of L-2 claims AT ALL.) It was pretty damn obvious HijacK was the Herbalist, and I don't know how blind little horrible player me was the only one to pick up on it (except for the Evil who did.)

What's even more disappointing is that Good lets me live D1 (meaninig the majority believed it was likely enough that I was Good), but then listens to practically nothing I have to say D2. You've got to follow through on some things in order for there to be any sense, folks. It's like there being multiple paths through a forest, finally choosing a path, and then partway down the path saying to everyone "let's cut through the woods that way *points in some random direction* and see if we can find one of those other paths we saw," it just doesn't help you find your way and why we're where we are now.

and now I see RW trying to consider if I'm scum and....SERIOUSLY?!?! I'm more confirmed town than you are, RW! And I view you as pretty darn town!

I'm Good and (I think) there are most likely 2 evil on my wagon, as I said in my 0,1,2,3 analysis early D2. I STILL think we need to try to get back on that path and it'd be a wonderful help if other players looked at those proposed theories and gave their thoughts as to what they think is most likely (# of Evil on it) and who then that is most likelky to be. This should have been done befor HijacK died.

*sigh*

Add to my + HijacK's wagon analyses the revelation that there were 2 hours of Evil-chat, and trent being tunnel-visioned on me or HijacK for D1+D2 makes him even more likely Evil, imo. Going back and looking at things, I really can't believe he's still alive, but then, with the wonderful D2 play of all you vets, I guess I should believe it. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just exhausted on all of this already.

I feel like I'm a broken record that everyone has blocked out when they should have listened to me the first time around.

adalia just has WAYYYY TOO MANY slips and re-positionings and WIFOMs and ...

and now JMich unvotes adalia? that is really odd ... *sigh*

I think I'ma just sit back and watch it all unfold however it does from here on out. Let me know if any of you care to hear my opinion on anything, I'll gladly share, but at this point, it's all on you all to get it done. Wake me up when it's over!

*refresh*

PS:

Why can't it just sound like a desperate scum trying to be kept alive? He didn't have to be the last one in order for saying that to make sense as a desperate scum (granted it makes less sense, considering how ahead of the game they are, but I still see it as absolutely something scum-adalia would do anyway.)

Imagine, just for a moment, how such a power would work out once scum start dying. Especially in light of what we (now) know about flips.

Do you need any cheese or a bottle of warm milk to go with that whine? Oh, and once again you're wrong and overly egotistical in your assumptions. I also love how once again you are giving up, I guess we should expect that from you when things don't go your way.

I'll vote JMich today if that's who the majority feels is the best lynch, but I'll leave my vote for now on drealmer.

So, the mod's mouth is not good enough for you? Or are you going to join JMich and argue that Spectres have the power to make the mod post certain things, or worse, are able to post as him?



Is this a serious argument?

New information posted requires me to reevaluate my position. Sticking to the same belief without evaluating new evidence is bad.

It is possible that was the case. But that is a new hypothesis that has to be mulled over. Vote may or may not return.

It would make for an unbalanced and potentially bastard game. What was agent's description of his game again?

I'm always a bit paranoid when there are unknown roles and/or powers in play. I do want to think of the worst case scenario so I'm not blindsided. Yes, those scenarios do usually end up being too far fetched and usually discarded.
The spectres have powers we are not aware of. We only have the descriptions cristi and wyrm used when talking to one another, and the hint that they may be the same powers for all spectres. I have encountered before powers that allowed one to post messages through the mod, though I don't think it probable that this is the case in this game.

Absolutely brilliant! care to explain why? still convinced HijacK and I are scum-buddies and your meta-gambit that worked so awesomely that it allowed you to give it up on D2 and expose us both as scum with such confidence is right?

such a wonderful contributory helpful pro-town post, just like all of yours have been the whole game!

You do know that repeating "you're wrong" doesn't actually make a counter-argument of any kind to EVERY SINGLE POINT I've made the entire game?

YOUR ego is blinding YOU and you need to get over your misplaced righteous indignation already and get YOUR head out of YOUR ass. Oh, right, you're Evil and having a blast being a dick to me because you have a personal issue with me and will get a free pass for it all once the game is over. "hehe I WAS evil folks, I'm not really an asshole!"

I'm tired of this bickering with you, that YOU keep instigating (so scummy have you been with it that you should be dead already, imo. I've tried to keep it light and playful, and you're just being a dick over and over.)

for the record I almost never consume dairy or alcohol AND (to clarify, because I am so often misunderstood)

I'm not whining it's not going my way, I'm complaining that the overall play this game HAS SUCKED and I'm tired of trying to make my points over and over and over AND this day is STILL going on. A very valid complaint, imo. What else would anyone have me do?

I'm not sure I buy that 100%.. but what the hell.

Unvote JMich

Vote babark

I find him much more scummy and think he is the best lynch at the moment.

I'm really looking forward to the end of the game and rubbing in your face how wrong you were.

Wait... you're shutting up? Hallelujah!

It is a damn shame you didn't get lynched day 1...