Posted October 05, 2020
Microfish_1
I'm not a duck
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From United States
my name is catte
i touch your foods
my name is catte Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Mar 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted October 05, 2020
Oh yeah! It's definitely the most thrilling part of the game from my perspective.
Microfish_1
I'm not a duck
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ZFR
I love gold!
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From Ireland
Posted October 05, 2020
ZFR: (Small print: The Mayor of course may claim that he chose his vote randomly, and may even do so, but he may not use any method that guarantees he chose randomly. For example, he may not encrypt his randomisation method the previous day and have it seeded by the next n posts. Nor he may use third parties, like random.org premium account, to carry out the draw. Not that I think anyone would get a random.org premium account just to carry this out, but I love adding the small print legalese).
Microfish_1: "that guarantees" to who? town or fellow scum? what do you mean by encrypt?
would a random.org free account be allowed and if so, wat's the diff?
Here is the thing: the point of the Mayor's compulsive vote is that he has to make use of it: either vote for a Townie or a fellow scum for the WIFOM. And Town has to guess: "Well, if the mayor is voting for X, then X is Town. But maybe that's what he wants us to believe. Is it just distancing?" There is a huge WIFOM potential.
If the Mayor chooses randomly, that whole aspect is gone. But Town can't know that Mayor is telling the truth. "He says he chose X randomly. But he could easily be lying. Is X an imporant Townie? Is he bussing".
But if the Mayor can actually prove that he chose randomly, then the whole aspect of compulsive voting is gone. The Mayor's vote is random, so there is absolutely no reason to look for any meaning in the vote. All the WIFO is gone. This is why the Mayor shouldn't be given the ability to prove he used random.
The paid random.org account allow you to carry a random draw by admins of random.org. In most giveaways here, we only have the organisers word for it that he/she used random.org, but since these are just small giveaways for games, it doesn't matter.
But consider huge raffles with big rewards, or raffles for which people had to pay to enter. The organiser can use random.org to select the winner but there is no guarantee he was truthful. Participants can easily say "yeah that was fixed. It was obviosly set up so the organiser's friend wins the car. What a waste of 10$".
By getting the random.org paid account you can have raffles carried out by random.org staff, so you can guarantee that the raffle wasn't fixed by you.
As for encryption, an example would be something like this: On D1, the Mayor can write "For my D2 choice, I'm going to take the next mod post, convert all characters to binary, sum up the total, add the post number, divide by the number of participants and the remainder (mathematical mod) will be used to determine whom I vote."
He then encrypts it, posts the encrypted message. No one can read it yet, since it's encrypted. On D2 he uses the method to determine whom he votes. He then posts the key and decrypts the message. Everyone can read it now. Since the method is seeded by (depended on) a Mod post which the Mayor at the time of writing couldn't have known (even if he could guess the next Mod post being a "vote count", he couldn't know the exact composition nor the post number) then unless the Mod is in cahoots with the Mayor, everyone can be sure that the vote selection was done pseudo-randomly.
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
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From Germany
Posted October 05, 2020
I opened a signup thread:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/page1
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/page1
Vitek
Master of Karate and friendship for everyone
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From British Indian Ocean Territory
Posted October 05, 2020
Vitek: Newbie.
I remember how some people complained they are getting nothing because they already own Fallout and they should be compensated by getting other game and even then I felt better than them because I had it too but was not acting like that.
Apparently I was gifted Fallout 1 before that giveaway, I only bought 2 and Tactics. I hope I wouldn't bitch too otherwise, if I spent money. I remember how some people complained they are getting nothing because they already own Fallout and they should be compensated by getting other game and even then I felt better than them because I had it too but was not acting like that.
GamesRater: (Btw I think I remember that fallout "fallout"....during the giveaway...if only faintly)
:-) It was after the "shutdown", right?
Microfish_1: Gulp!
I flooded ZFR's chat with messages during that interval between my vote and Vitek's...
a small sample includes the following:
Poor ZFR. :-) I flooded ZFR's chat with messages during that interval between my vote and Vitek's...
a small sample includes the following:
Sorry for making you anxious.
It took me some time to realize I could hammer and I then tried to still make it not fully obvious in case it wouldn't end the game.
Microfish_1: but I do have a heart, last time I checked... xD
Are other mafia always sweating bullets endgame during mass claims and one vote away from winning?
Not so much this time. Are other mafia always sweating bullets endgame during mass claims and one vote away from winning?
If I was the one claiming role and waiting for someone else to hammer, I'd imagine I would be shouting at the screen. :-)
GamezRanker
Disagreement Verboten!
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From United States
ZFR
I love gold!
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From Ireland
my name is catte
i touch your foods
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From United Kingdom
Posted October 05, 2020
I'm an inveterate mod-PM-er but that's something else! :P
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
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From United Kingdom
flubbucket
"Intoning"
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From Micronesia
GamezRanker
Disagreement Verboten!
GamezRanker Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Sep 2010
From United States
Posted October 07, 2020
Omg Flub! How's it been? Haven't seen you in what seems like forever. :)
Lifthrasil
Bring the GOG-Downloader back!
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From Germany
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
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From Bulgaria
JoeSapphire
Consultant Liar
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From United Kingdom
Posted October 07, 2020
nah guys he's not going to play with us...
he's too chicken...
he's too chicken...