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my name is magike catte: Says the other cruel and sadistic mafioso!
but I do have a heart, last time I checked... xD

Are other mafia always sweating bullets endgame during mass claims and one vote away from winning?
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my name is magike catte: Says the other cruel and sadistic mafioso!
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Microfish_1: but I do have a heart, last time I checked... xD

Are other mafia always sweating bullets endgame during mass claims and one vote away from winning?
Oh yeah! It's definitely the most thrilling part of the game from my perspective.
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my name is magike catte: Oh yeah! It's definitely the most thrilling part of the game from my perspective.
Gulp!
I flooded ZFR's chat with messages during that interval between my vote and Vitek's...

a small sample includes the following:

Microfish_1: oh if only vitek sees and hammers before we have a castastrophe!

i just voted nmillar and vitek was online 5 mintues ago

***he went offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*** *sobs despairingly* WHYYYYYY!!!!!!!?!?!?!

if only i was online 5 minutes earlier :(

i either blew it with my fake claim or maybe won it and i'm on tenterhooks and i cant sob in QT so you're getting the brunt of it!

query: how many times can you hit F5 in 10 minutes? answer: a lot

no no no....

only nm, vitek and myself are online

but vitek is offline

i should have said something to get his attention

someone will unvote in a few hours

unless vitek votes first

btw, apparently the CT scan went all the way up to the heart, so no scope is needed to determine cancer, as the CT scan would have shown it and there is absolutly no indication of same

he's online again!!!!!!!1

ah?

vitek used his real flavour name :O

afterwards, remind me that i want to ask about real flavour vs fake flavour names in fakeclaims

why isn't he hammering?
hammer already, vitek!!!!

you're gonna see this wall of text and be totally "that's it, Micro is never getting on the scum team again or he will flood my inbox with spam in any tense situation..." :-(

ZFR: oho
random.org decides who's scum.

Microfish_1: you and your oho's :P

...
at least I cannot claim to have been coached--the classic "if I was scum, they'd have coached me, and I'm playing too poorly to be scum so obvs I'm not!" xD
Post edited October 05, 2020 by Microfish_1
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ZFR: (Small print: The Mayor of course may claim that he chose his vote randomly, and may even do so, but he may not use any method that guarantees he chose randomly. For example, he may not encrypt his randomisation method the previous day and have it seeded by the next n posts. Nor he may use third parties, like random.org premium account, to carry out the draw. Not that I think anyone would get a random.org premium account just to carry this out, but I love adding the small print legalese).
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Microfish_1: "that guarantees" to who? town or fellow scum?
what do you mean by encrypt?
would a random.org free account be allowed and if so, wat's the diff?
To Town. To all fellow players. In scum's case they have no reason to doubt you.

Here is the thing: the point of the Mayor's compulsive vote is that he has to make use of it: either vote for a Townie or a fellow scum for the WIFOM. And Town has to guess: "Well, if the mayor is voting for X, then X is Town. But maybe that's what he wants us to believe. Is it just distancing?" There is a huge WIFOM potential.

If the Mayor chooses randomly, that whole aspect is gone. But Town can't know that Mayor is telling the truth. "He says he chose X randomly. But he could easily be lying. Is X an imporant Townie? Is he bussing".

But if the Mayor can actually prove that he chose randomly, then the whole aspect of compulsive voting is gone. The Mayor's vote is random, so there is absolutely no reason to look for any meaning in the vote. All the WIFO is gone. This is why the Mayor shouldn't be given the ability to prove he used random.

The paid random.org account allow you to carry a random draw by admins of random.org. In most giveaways here, we only have the organisers word for it that he/she used random.org, but since these are just small giveaways for games, it doesn't matter.
But consider huge raffles with big rewards, or raffles for which people had to pay to enter. The organiser can use random.org to select the winner but there is no guarantee he was truthful. Participants can easily say "yeah that was fixed. It was obviosly set up so the organiser's friend wins the car. What a waste of 10$".
By getting the random.org paid account you can have raffles carried out by random.org staff, so you can guarantee that the raffle wasn't fixed by you.

As for encryption, an example would be something like this: On D1, the Mayor can write "For my D2 choice, I'm going to take the next mod post, convert all characters to binary, sum up the total, add the post number, divide by the number of participants and the remainder (mathematical mod) will be used to determine whom I vote."
He then encrypts it, posts the encrypted message. No one can read it yet, since it's encrypted. On D2 he uses the method to determine whom he votes. He then posts the key and decrypts the message. Everyone can read it now. Since the method is seeded by (depended on) a Mod post which the Mayor at the time of writing couldn't have known (even if he could guess the next Mod post being a "vote count", he couldn't know the exact composition nor the post number) then unless the Mod is in cahoots with the Mayor, everyone can be sure that the vote selection was done pseudo-randomly.
I opened a signup thread:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/the_shelter_a_fallout_themed_forum_mafia_game_signup/page1
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Vitek: Newbie.
I remember how some people complained they are getting nothing because they already own Fallout and they should be compensated by getting other game and even then I felt better than them because I had it too but was not acting like that.
Apparently I was gifted Fallout 1 before that giveaway, I only bought 2 and Tactics. I hope I wouldn't bitch too otherwise, if I spent money.

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GamesRater: (Btw I think I remember that fallout "fallout"....during the giveaway...if only faintly)
:-)
It was after the "shutdown", right?

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Microfish_1: Gulp!
I flooded ZFR's chat with messages during that interval between my vote and Vitek's...

a small sample includes the following:
Poor ZFR. :-)

Sorry for making you anxious.
It took me some time to realize I could hammer and I then tried to still make it not fully obvious in case it wouldn't end the game.

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Microfish_1: but I do have a heart, last time I checked... xD

Are other mafia always sweating bullets endgame during mass claims and one vote away from winning?
Not so much this time.
If I was the one claiming role and waiting for someone else to hammer, I'd imagine I would be shouting at the screen. :-)
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Vitek: :-)
It was after the "shutdown", right?
Possibly.....sadly, though, my memory of that early period is rather vague.
(like with many other things.....such are my memories, like sands through an hourglass...these are the "days of our [gog forum] lives")
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bucktoothgamer: Not sure if this is the place to post this, but I would love to be added to the notify list for a future game.
New game is up.
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my name is magike catte: Oh yeah! It's definitely the most thrilling part of the game from my perspective.
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Microfish_1: Gulp!
I flooded ZFR's chat with messages during that interval between my vote and Vitek's...

a small sample includes the following:
I'm an inveterate mod-PM-er but that's something else! :P
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bucktoothgamer: Not sure if this is the place to post this, but I would love to be added to the notify list for a future game.
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ZFR: New game is up.
well fuckin remembered!
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Vitek: ................

Because what other reason there is to be here than to feel better than others, right?


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Agreed.
Omg Flub! How's it been? Haven't seen you in what seems like forever. :)
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Vitek: ................

Because what other reason there is to be here than to feel better than others, right?

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flubbucket: Agreed.
Will you play with us?
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flubbucket: Agreed.
You know, we need exactly you, friend.
nah guys he's not going to play with us...


he's too chicken...