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SirPrimalform: I think it's just 'too broad' a wording on Robbeasy's part. I'm pretty sure he just meant the type of situation we're talking about, i.e. being caught lying and then getting out of it by blaming it on a non-existent mod mistake.
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Zchinque: I know, which is why I decided not to leave a slightly more sarcastic reply.

But trying to regulate it will only yield the opposite problem. If certain communications with the mod is not allowed to lie about, any such communications becomes de facto modconfirmed. Once a game has started, the mod should meddle as little as possible, imo.

In my opinion, it would be best not to make any legislation about it in one way or another, but treat any unverifiable claims about communications with the mod with suspicion - as you would any other unverifiable claims. If the only thing keeping a player from being lynched is that the he claims the mod must have made some sort of mistake, it's probably best to just lynch them.

Further, I think you will have a hard time wording any such rule to the point where it limits the kind of lying some would find objectable, without infringing on the tools needed for the game to function.

And finally, this has only come up in one game so far, correct? I wouldn't think it worth to make specific rules targeting behaviour that has popped up in a single game, out of 14. Unless said behaviour could easily and reliably ruin/break the game as a whole, of course (see the rule about cryptoclaiming as an example).

My suggestion would be to treat it as a learning experience. Think "you got us this time, but next time we won't be as gullible", if you will.
The problem is that mods are humans and it's perfectly possible for them to make mistakes. If we disbelieve claims of mod mistakes then that would result in the mistakes adversely affecting the game and that wouldn't be ideal. If I was the mod in that position I'd feel pretty bad, both for the player lynched and about the affect on the game in general.

I agree the mod should meddle as little as possible, this is why I think it's really dirty to involve the mod like that if they haven't actually made a mistake. I would say although this doesn't break the game (unless the mod is forced to comment), it does unfairly affect the game.

Oh yeah and nmillar and I got our very own rule after one instance. <.<
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TwilightBard:
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SirPrimalform:
You have failed me again, young padawans. Sirprimalform much more. The Force is weak with this one.

Don't fail me again.
Post edited February 24, 2013 by TheGOGfather
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Zchinque: Which is a really important distinction here.

If you as mod say X, then it is reasonable to believe that X is correct.
If I, as a player, say that the mod told me X, then there's no reason to take X at face value.
Not believing it is all well and good if the person is in fact lying, but if they were telling the truth it's pretty unfair that a mod mistake got them lynched don't you think?
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SirPrimalform: The problem is that mods are humans and it's perfectly possible for them to make mistakes. If we disbelieve claims of mod mistakes then that would result in the mistakes adversely affecting the game and that wouldn't be ideal. If I was the mod in that position I'd feel pretty bad, both for the player lynched and about the affect on the game in general.

I agree the mod should meddle as little as possible, this is why I think it's really dirty to involve the mod like that if they haven't actually made a mistake. I would say although this doesn't break the game (unless the mod is forced to comment), it does unfairly affect the game.
Thanks to this I just remembered something. It's not related to this, but if I were mod, I would consider interfering if you (SPF) were to be lynched for claiming the same name as other player, because it would be loss to town and to you just because of my mistake. I am not sure I would really do it, but hopefully stating just that it was mistake and same names mean nothing, but not confirming anything else, would do minimal harm to game.

It's nothing against you, NFY, and I am not blaming you for anything. I am just musing what I would do because I am not sure myself.

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TheGOGfather: You have failed me again, young padawans. Sirprimalform much more. The Force is weak with this one.

Don't fail me again.
Hey!!!
Post edited February 24, 2013 by Vitek
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Vitek: Thanks to this I just remembered something. It's not related to this, but if I were mod, I would consider interfering if you (SPF) were to be lynched for claiming the same name as other player, because it would be loss to town and to you just because of my mistake. I am not sure I would really do it, but hopefully stating just that it was mistake and same names mean nothing, but not confirming anything else, would do minimal harm to game.

It's nothing against you, NFY, and I am not blaming you for anything. I am just musing what I would do because I am not sure myself.
No problem, no offence taken. I'm not sure what I would have done if that situation had arisen either... >.>
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SirPrimalform: I agree the mod should meddle as little as possible, this is why I think it's really dirty to involve the mod like that if they haven't actually made a mistake. I would say although this doesn't break the game (unless the mod is forced to comment), it does unfairly affect the game.
If you remember, I only said that after Joe made it clear that he was asking the mod about it.
It was originally not my intention to involve the mod.
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Vitek: Thanks to this I just remembered something. It's not related to this, but if I were mod, I would consider interfering if you (SPF) were to be lynched for claiming the same name as other player, because it would be loss to town and to you just because of my mistake. I am not sure I would really do it, but hopefully stating just that it was mistake and same names mean nothing, but not confirming anything else, would do minimal harm to game.

It's nothing against you, NFY, and I am not blaming you for anything. I am just musing what I would do because I am not sure myself.
Yeah, it's difficult... I suppose my objection about the fake mistake claim is that it's a player sort of putting the mod in the same position. It also devalues genuine claims of mistakes... If we all agreed not to use quite such dirty tricks then it means in the event of a genuine mistake the game can be fixed with the minimum of interference... argh, I don't know now.

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NotFrenchYet: No problem, no offence taken. I'm not sure what I would have done if that situation had arisen either... >.>
I think there's something quite pleasing about it being Joe and me that happened to get the same name AND both saving Telika (arguably he was already cured by the time I visited though =<).
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SirPrimalform: I agree the mod should meddle as little as possible, this is why I think it's really dirty to involve the mod like that if they haven't actually made a mistake. I would say although this doesn't break the game (unless the mod is forced to comment), it does unfairly affect the game.
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Rodzaju: If you remember, I only said that after Joe made it clear that he was asking the mod about it.
It was originally not my intention to involve the mod.
Hmm, you have a point. Perhaps it would have been best for Joe to just go by what his PM said and assume that NFY would have intervened if she'd realised a mistake.
Post edited February 24, 2013 by SirPrimalform
If SOMEONE hadn't forced me to reveal that items came from players RoDzaJu never would have had the room to lie about mistakes.

I propose that the new rule be "always listen to Joe."

With the postscript "Especially when he is clearly sending you secret messages."

(What's the Twiglet imalform thing about?)
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JoeSapphire: (What's the Twiglet imalform thing about?)
The GOGFather just loves us. Me more though.
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JoeSapphire: If SOMEONE hadn't forced me to reveal that items came from players
Was that me? I can't even remember any more.
Post edited February 24, 2013 by SirPrimalform
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JoeSapphire: If SOMEONE hadn't forced me to reveal that items came from players RoDzaJu never would have had the room to lie about mistakes.
Complete change of subject, but why do you always capitalise random letters in my name?
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SirPrimalform: Was that me? I can't even remember any more.
It was my sole ally. The one distilled from cactus juices.
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JoeSapphire: If SOMEONE hadn't forced me to reveal that items came from players RoDzaJu never would have had the room to lie about mistakes.
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Rodzaju: Complete change of subject, but why do you always capitalise random letters in my name?
It's because it's short for Robert Dzaowney Junior...
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JoeSapphire: With the postscript "Especially when he is clearly sending you secret messages."
Well there, excuse me, but I must also point out that MY secret messages were awesomely more awesome. totally unmissable, yet fluid, perfetly integrated in a perfectly normal post, and not requiring anyone to spend three hours recombining all the letters of all the poests that everybody writes. And yet, I got absolutely no expression of awe in any feedback.

(Except if it was super subtly coded too.)
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SirPrimalform: The GOGFather just loves us. Me more though.
Loves you? Where'd you get this idea?
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SirPrimalform: Was that me? I can't even remember any more.
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JoeSapphire: It was my sole ally. The one distilled from cactus juices.
Hmm Telika, Telika... You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...