RWarehall: Using your own logic why you can't be scum, why would I come out and claim role cop and draw attention to myself?
Would you risk the lie? There might be a town rolecop, or some other information that would contradict you.
RWarehall: Joe, you are asking what reactions I was watching and gauging...it's simple. I know I'm Town. No NK occurred so its most probably because I was the target outside some remote chance some other unknown role blocked the kill. I was looking for who might be trying to spin this to get Town to finish the job for them. And we have Agent "conveniently ignoring" the likelihood I was the target and protected with Blotunga who pushed the same for a bit before backing away.
Actually, neither blotunga nor carr ignored the likelihood that dedo's target was protected. See below:
agentcarr16: Night 2 No kill. RFG is dead, so Scum's kill was protected against or prevented. It is possible that dedo blocked Scum, thus the kill didn't get through.
dedoporno: It's also possible I saved the targeted Town. You seem to be discarding that scenario altogether. How so?
agentcarr16: It depends on who it was that you blocked. Note the "inclined".
blotunga: I don't think there are lots of buletproof townies so tonight's kill was likely prevented by dedo. We have a likely 50% chance of lynching scum if we lynch the jailee if all else fails (except ofc if the NK was stopped in some other way).
Interesting, no?
JoeSapphire: Do you think I would? If I were scum, I had reason to keep ZFR alive (his stupid launch of GameRager's wagon, his seemed connection with Lifthrasil, I also reason to argue why ZFR shouldn't be killed (twice in a row day 1 is mean), and. Would I have gone for ZFR just so I could argue WIFOM, do you think?
Lifthrasil: Yes. Considering that you pointed out the very next day that you wouldn't have killed ZFR (and thereby implying that you can't be scum), I think it is possible that this contributed to your decision. That you reasoned that no one would connect you to a ZFR kill and that he would therefore be a good target. ... And the reason to leave ZFR alive because of his part in GR's wagon was valid for all possible scum, not only you. Didn't stop them (or you) from killing him.
But
I was clever enough to think about it. I'm assuming scum... well... I'm assuming scum didn't think ZFR was as lynchable as I did.
JoeSapphire: I just thought - you mentioned before that Joe-confirming-RW's-action gives RW town points, but should it? He maybe deserves some 'not stupid points', in the same way that Joe-not-lying-about-his-role-to-counter-RW should only give him 'not-a-total-idiot' points.
Lifthrasil: Well, it is true that scum would not have lied about an investigation result. However, RW can't have investigated you and killed ZWR at the same time. He could still be part of a two-player scum-team, of course. But I am with dedo that scum should be powerless if they are two. Why do you disagree on that? You have only written that you do, but haven't explained why.
I disagree that the ONLY people without power are scum. I disagree with that because I am town vanilla, which goes NO SHORT DISTANCE to disprove that theory.
Do I think the mafia team must both be vanilla? It kinda makes sense, but a serial killer is a threat to mafia as well as town so it wouldn't be particularly fair on the mafia either. We don't know what Trent has put together so let's not make assumptions.
dedoporno: @Agent, are you fine going first of it's decided that the mass claiming is happening?
agentcarr16: I'm quite happy to go first. I have no need to "manufacture a claim". I'm willing to claim whether or not a mass claim is decided upon. My role gets perhaps even stronger once a mass claim has happened.
So do I claim?
I'm excited by Carr's seedlings and eagerness to claim and promise that his role will be useful. I'm inclined to keep his claim till later - as dedo points out he's already given himself less room to improvise than the others.
That's IF we want a claim to happen. But if Carr's set on claiming anyway I think it makes sense for everybody to.
JoeSapphire: ^This doesn't sense... do it?
dedoporno: Of course it does. For the sake of discussion let's assume that the SK and the lone Kitsune are exactly the same, but one is a Serial Killer while the other is Mafia whatever. Other than that, power-wise, they are exactly the same thing. Everyone knows the Kitsune exist, no one knows the Serial Killer exists until that it becomes obvious. Don't you think the hidden guy has a bit of an edge over his counterpart, regardless how small or short-lived it might be?
If we were looking for physical signs of a kitsune (sharp teeth, long tail, blood round the mouth etc.) then yes I'd say a non-kitsune has an advantage, but seeing as we're looking for forum-behaviour signs of a kitsune (trying to go unnoticed, directing a lynch onto people dangerous for it, killing at night, co-operation with a partner etc.) I don't see how they would be distinguishable from a serial killer... :/
Regarding RW:
He's making the argument "Why would I claim Role Cop when I didn't need to?"
Well why did he? He started arguing with pooka after his claim that the less the scum knew about his role, the better. He drew little conclusion from his investigation of me, so it wasn't particularly worth sharing - in fact if he'd have kept it to himself he held on to the possibilty that he could counter-claim me later on if I tried to lie about a role...
Also -
RWarehall: I can confirm I was jailed. My door was locked and I was unable to leave my room.
which maybe implies that RW was trying to leave his room... not that I should read too much into the flavour.
Wouldn't it be great if I'd made up that thing about Trent including flavour for blocked people even if they're not using powers? But I didn't. Does anybody who knows of older games of Trent's fancy seeing if he's ever NOT included flavour for a blocked character who's not actioning?
