And that is fine. What isn't fine is you repeatedly assign Lift town points only to then make an excuse for why he'd lose him ("oh, if pooka is town we lynch lift", "oh i think he softclaimed let us lynch his face"). Why are you all too willing to throw away your Town reads of Lift?


He's looking to be my top suspect, although to be fair he's the only one so far who I did an ISO on. Who knows, maybe I'll find something even worse if I ISO someone else, so he may or may not be up there for long.


We can't really doubt what dedo claimed without knowledge of who he targeted Night 2. Speaking of doubts, I believe we shouldn't claim in any capacity until dedo reveals his N2 target. If he's scum, the wriggle room he's given shouldn't be made larger.

The kind that comes from all players and not just some of them? Do you mind explaining why the longer wait makes you suspicious?

Gee, so impatient.

As a potential scum/vote candidate or as more-likely-to-be-town candidate?


You will, don't worry. Won't be long now.

You do know, there are other things we could be discussing if you can't stand the wait. Personally, I'm watching and gauging the reactions.

As to the show, I don't really remember the Kitsune.
But Googling it we find:
supernatural.fandom.com/wiki/Kitsune

They apparently appeared in only 1 episode in Season 7.
There were 3 related by birth. Grandmother, mother and son.
Interesting that the son was left alive at the end of the episode.
Jody Mills is still alive
Bobby Singer's character has died multiple times but one from the Apocalypse Earth is currently alive.
Death died but was replaced by Billie the Reaper who became the new Death.

So, of all 3 reveals all are currently alive in the show in some form. Maybe that lends credence to there being only one, but I'm not banking on that and think we have to assume there are two left.

Which makes it likely 5 town to 2 scum. With a SK down, and some investigation results pending, I'd say we are doing quite well.

What's the matter?


Prior to RFG's flip, we had no idea that we were dealing with more than the kitsune we were told about. It could be the same idea: that kitsune could be the son but now has a non-kitsune accomplice that we don't know about yet. But it is just likely there is two kitsune, but one doesn't have to be the escaped son.

What the two of you said made no sense. "I've got no reason to doubt him" - you're playing a game of mafia.
"We can't really doubt what dedo claimed without knowledge of who he targeted Night 2." - I don't understand why you can't start doubting him now.

BUT oh lol I just got what you meant here - you think dedo might be COUNTER-CLAIMED if he says he blocked someone who didn't get blocked? Is that what you mean? It hadn't occurred to me, but I do also doubt that dedo would claim a jailer if he wasn't a jailer (or at least a blocker - I can see a mafia blocker claiming a jailer because a jailer is more obviously a town role, but yeah)

Is that what you meant?

Am I own the wrong track that the one who was jailed should come out? I know I have done it when I was jailed. But now he could be our prime suspect. Still I think a town move would be to enforce dedo's story.

Yes. It's much easier to doubt everything he has to say rather than a part of it.

And reveal that they have a power role... Maybe not the best idea.

If they don't have a power role they wouldn't necessarily know they were protected so...

As I've said - Dedo probably isn't lying about being a blocker, whether he's town or no, so corroboration isn't that vital from my point of view.

I was just describing to SirP how the game's been going and I said "we've got no night kill and someone who's claimed jailer" and I thought to myself 'The simplest solution is that dedo blocked the kill or protected the target.' then I went on to think 'no, obviously we should be learning who dedo jailed and making judgement based on that'

I agreed at first with dedo's reasoning for not revealing, but maybe it's silly to assume that there's more to the set-up than that.

And what do we lose by having the info public?

I am reversing my stance on dedo's-information-share and saying dedo should tell us toDay who he targeted the Night.

When I was jailed while being vanilla I still got a PM that I had been jailed.

Who was the mod? Does anyone know what Trent's done in the past with this situation?

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_58_disney_to_the_rescue/post625

Seems trent has historically given acknowledgement of block to a role that wasn't acting that night so blotunga's right Joe's wrong

Thanks. But I don't need that look. You can have it right back: dedo didn't say that he is not going to share his info, but he said that he is going to share it later. Which I can understand from his point of view, no matter what alignment he is. So yes, there is cause to worry for the one he jailed if that one is scum, because the reveal will put him in the spotlight. Not necessarily condemn him, but call attention to him, which scum typically don't like. That's why your pre-emtpive distrust looks off to me.

We also already discussed the fact that his jailing could either have blocked or protected the target. So nothing new there. I'll reserve my judgment of the full claim for when I have seen the full claim. There is no need for premature judgement.


That almost reads like fishing. As Joe points out below, scum may also have roleblockers. And Town may have more than one blocking role too. Lots of blocking/protective roles would be one (swingy) way to balance two kill-factions, after all. So, assuming more than one blocking role, if eveyone who has been blocked comes out now, Scum will have a nice list of PRs who attempted actions tonight.


That, however, is an interesting find. It kind of invalidates my 'fishing' accusation in the paragraph above. At least if that truly is what blotunga expected trent to do.
It isn't the way I handle things as a mod. I only tell people that their action has failed if they actually attempt an action. So my assumption was that anyone who notices that he was blocked has to be a PR.

As said, in a previous game when I was jailed I distinctly remember being sent to jail. Not fishing. I also came out with the information quite fast (not sure before the jailor or after).