I guess it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense but then balance becomes that much harder to do... Or, there might be some super powered lonely mafioso who is a mafioso and not an SK for the sake of keeping the illusion that there is only one anti-Town faction. Like that one game where everyone was basically an SK and this only became apparent late in the game and only to some people.

I guess it depends on the person as I would most likely hold back. I can't remember if I was ever an SK but having everyone know there is an SK earlier makes the game that much harder for them to win. It also allows scum to actually scum-hunt for real which again plays as a disadvantage for the SK. On the flipside they can scumhunt for real too and appear Townier in the process.

It's also possible I saved the targeted Town. You seem to be discarding that scenario altogether. How so?


Congratulations! I wish you and your loved ones all the best and I hope you'll get even better very soon so you can enjoy the presence your newest family member in the best way possible :)

I posted and then I saw this, but then went back to sleep. I don't have any reasons to give about not lynching me, except that I'm town. As for pooka, if you remember I was amongst the ones left on his wagon on D1 (well couldn't jump it anyway even if I wanted, as I was offline). Something felt odd about him from the beginning. So I wouldn't have qualms about lynching him if for example he turns out to be dedo's prisoner from N2.

You have a lot on your plate right now so I'll let you off with a warning for not paying attention. I already said that my prisoner was not Pooka but someone else.

That is interesting. Why do you think that? Do you know something we don't?
- why shouldn't there be (one-shot) bulletproof townies to balance the two killing-factions?
- why do you assume it was dedo and not some other protective or blocking role?

No. The Kitsune are a race. They are born the way they are and do not spread via infection, like some other races. They look and live mostly like humans, only that they have to eat pituitary glands and can transform into having claws and fangs. Some of them live in families, like normal people do. But there are also solitary Kitsune. For example a Kitsune, whos family was killed by Hunters (Dean, specifically), who is out for revenge would fit the flavour.

@dedo, ah yes you said that you didn't target pooka. So most likely we should shelve pooka for later

@lift: I'm town and not bulletproof, zfr wasn't. And besides it would be a lottery then. Zfr was a PR and wasn't so I have to assume that it would've made sense to make him bulletproof at least 1 shot. Or maybe he was bulletproof and was killed by the second action? I know chances are slim but maybe RFG and scum both targeted ZFR?

That doesn't make sense. If ZFR was bulletproof, his flip would have revealed it. Why would the flip reveal that RFG is bulletproof but not that a bulletproof ZFR is bulletproof?

Earlier on, on Day 1, you said that you think scum have a daychat. Do you think this is still the same after RFG's flip?

By the way, congratulations on the kid!

@dedo no, your issues with me are a completely separate topic from your jail target.


I am ready to perform a read or two. Let's see what I can find.

This is basically a train of thought sort of post, so read it that way.

- blotunga begins RVS proper by voting me (#33). This is consistent with him saying there was something odd about me in #482.
- In #90, he says I made "a small slip." That wording seems interesting. A slip implies I made a mistake and that mistake made me appear quite scummy. But is it still a slip if I intentionally do something? He's not quoting anyone in that post, so I can only assume he's talking about my post regarding RW that more or less ended RVS.
- In #92 he's not sure if RVS is over, but at the same time I feel as though he wants to end the day early ("Do we have anything else to analyse?") . For the record, #92 is on November 8, the game started Nov 6 and Day 1 ended Nov 13.
- #123, he unvotes me. But the post says nothing about why I got unvoted, just that the "Joe/Lift dynamic looks interesting" and "as for the rest, nothing really stands out." In his eyes, did one of Joe/Lift become scummier, or did I become less scummy? That's left for the reader's imagination I guess. The couple posts before hint that I'm likely to be scum as much as town, so it's not as though he had a good or bad image of me.
- The more I read, the more I see he's torn between Joe being evil or me being evil. Interestingly in #185, he mentions that the Lift/Joe thing "distracted" him and felt it was going nowhere. Which is odd, shouldn't you be keeping tabs on everyone? Was it really a distraction that was going nowhere?
- #182 and #200 is when he says that scum have daychat since they had one in a previous 8:2 setup (the one where Joe and ZFR were scum?). With RFG in consideration, it can be either 8:1:1 or 7:2:1, but I'm curious about his thoughts on the daychat thing with the RFG twist.
- #185 he says Lift is very experienced and he doesn't think he would "blunder" by drawing attention to me and then the conflict with Joe, but he'd lynch Lift if I flip town. #187 he tells Joe that if Lift was scum, he's bold or has blundered, but in #189 Joe asks him what if Lift's town, to which he responds..."Scumhunting?" Something is odd about this exchange. So if I townread Lift from blotunga's eyes, he's scumhunting, but if I scumread him, he has blundered...and in #223, he feels Lift has town vibes. I think that once I flipped and turned town, blotunga would've been all too willing to throw all the town points he gave Lift away in order to get him lynched (disregarding the possibility of town vs. town), and that's why I think it's all odd.
- #343: willing to lynch me or Lift because he hinted at claiming. More "what" points.
- #384, willing to give Lift the benefit of doubt.



So herein lies what I found with blotunga: his flip flopping is suspicious. He's giving off the idea that if I was lynched D1 and flipped Town, then any town points Lift got are irrelevant with a complete disregard of possible town-on-town violence. And because he thought Lift hinted at a power role, he wanted Lift lynched D2 despite admitting that Lift had town vibes earlier. I'm not sure if he sees Lift as town or mafia when reading, and he doesn't document how his reads change or even give off the vibe his reads are changing. There's nothing.

So yeah. This is not good. I wanna see what's your opinion on all this, blotunga.

Yes, right about zfr, I had a lot on my plate and forgot that the reveal would show it. I had a lot in the past weeks...

As for flip flopping, so early in the game I was quite undecided about things so I wanted to see where they lead. At first I felt that lift was right about pooka but then the lift/joe dynamic started and I wasn't sure what to make of it. I remembered joe from the SH game and how he went crazy (like I did in the previous one) and something didn't feel quite right in the exchange but nothing that would make joe feel scummy.

Does anybody doubt dedo's claim?

Haven't got much time again, I'm back at work and things are busy. Should be able to do more from home.

blocked/protected

by which I mean; a jailer's results are ambiguous so I'd be foolish to be worried about dedo's result; dedo's already said he's not going to share his info so I'd be double-foolish to act on any worry I might have.

So lifthrasil you get a stern and disapproving look. ò_σ


I asked the question because I was going to say that I believe dedo's claim, and then I did think 'but it's possible mafia jailers exist. It's possible a scum would choose RFG as a block target. Perhaps a mafia jailer in this situation would think the most sensible thing to do is claim'
I'm not very convinced, but it's possible.

I'm a bit surprised that everybody's taken dedo's claim without question - but mostly I think I'm jealous. I'm pretty sure any game I ever play in I couldn't get unanimous silent acceptance for any kind of claim.

While I do think he's town, dedo's claim has set us on a very setup-focused discussion which I think we ought to drop now, having taken these things as likely -

There's still a mafia team (opening post implies multiple kitsunes; it's a game of mafia not hunt-the-serial-killers)
The mafia killed ZFR (flavour implies kitsune attack)

I don't see what more we can get by speculating what trent put in the game. Shall we move on?

Still waiting for the answer to this:

It's also possible I saved the targeted Town. You seem to be discarding that scenario altogether. How so?


@Pooka, is blotunga your top suspect now?

It depends on who it was that you blocked. Note the "inclined".

Gee, so impatient!

I have no reason to.

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I want to know who dedo targeted. As he waits longer, I begin to get suspicious. What other reactions are you hoping to get?

I still like blotunga a bit better than Pooka.