I don't see anything hinting at ZFR having a PR. He also pressured no one to an extent that he would have been uncomfortable for scum. So I guess scum just got lucky. Or did you see anything about ZFR that might have doomed him in retrospect?

About the Joe/Lift conflict, I actually would be interested in 'developing that further'

@Joe: now that we're on Day 2, what WAS that about? Did you just want to shake things up for D1? Or did you really just want to get me lynched because I haven't been lynched on D1 in a long time?

Aside from Joe, I am currently still interested in Pooka. Nothing happened to change that so far. But I'll have to go over the other players too. Especially the lurkers. But I can't do that today, since I'm travelling again. I'll be back late tonight. But tomorrow I can dedicate some time to the game.

That wasn't the case earlier in the game. Post 181 ZFR said he was turning his RVS vote on Lift into a real vote. However, in post 184 he switched to Pooka, while saying he was still happy with his vote on Lift. So it's not that they were acting like a team, but that ZFR decided Lift was less likely to be scum than he first thought.

@Lift, you said at the end of day 1 that Pooka looked more towny. Do you still think that?

ZFR was sold on Pooka until the very end and had seemingly warmed up about Lift so I'd say the kill is somehow related to Pooka (either removal of a nuisance or a setup to make it look like that on the surface). I also couldn't find any hints about a PR so I assume they got lucky on that and were just going for either of the above + general removal of a strong Town player. Actually the only PR mention (Cop, nonetheless) was done by Pooka who was trying to explain to GR why he wouldn't claim a Vanilla as a PR.


When Lift answers you (or before that, if you wish) I'd like you to answer your own question.

This post feels very wrong.

Why does his hint at claming mean we should lynch him?

Sorry not sorry. I work on the road, so no internet for ~10 hours of my day. Also I sleep a lot.

BTW, I'm moving yet again this weekend, so I won't have regular internet for the next several days. Will still try to post at least once a day.


GR was a useless wagon.

Lift - Leaning Town
RW - unsure
blot - unsure
Pooka - Leaning Town, but there are some posts I really don't like
dedo - Leaning Town
Joe - Really not a fan of his GR vote
Red - Hmmm...

Vote RedFireGaming

Yes, actually. Towards the end of D1 Pooka seemed more towny. However, that did not make me forget how sensitive he was earlier about being slightly suspected. So he remains a person of interest for me. As does Joe. However, I do know my tendency to focus too much on the persons I interact directly with. I have to make a conscious effort to pay attention to those who just coast by too.

Like agent, for example:

This is a very good question.

However, this puzzles. Hmmm... is not a good explanation for a vote and I don't have any read on RFG so far. Care to explain what you see about RFG that made you vote for him?

Because if I were scum, I would've NKed him.

But he is still alive. That would mean blotunga is Town.

If he were here I'm sure ZFR would be pointing out how's he's won 4/10 games where he's been town, two of those four he was killed night 1, and one of those four he was lynched day 2. There appears to be positive corrolation between townZFR being removed early from the game and town victory...

we know that now, but yesterday he rvs->genuine vote on lift looked like distancing, his switch to pooka looked like he was halting lift's wagon, and his gradual, vague change of mind from 'I'd still vote lift' to 'lift convinced me or made me feel guilty and now I suspect pooka' to 'you know what gamerager's our best lynch target 2 hours before deadline' seemed... well, I don't want to be rude so I'll stop there.


Lift asked why did I go for him yesterday?
Nothing personal, other than that he isn't often lynched.
As I say, it started with me trying to provoke RedFire, and got a few people quickly and directly giving me 'why lift?' which maybe they would have asked for anyone but I got the impression it was because lift isn't a usual target - I kinda read it as lift's friends coming to his defense (friends not scumbuddies) and my instict was to resist that. And lift's OMBHUS didn't help me think there was nothing worth persuing.

My general impression was that, once again, people were finding problems with pooka, gamerager and blotunga and I thought if we're going to vote based not on scumminess but on personality we've got as much chance finding scum with lynching someone who generally seems sensible as we have lynching someone who generally seems illogical.

So yeah.

Do I think lift is scum today? There's something he did toward the end of Day yesterDay that made me think he could be town - giving advice to gamerager maybe?

Carr says my gamerager vote is worrying. Do you mean the fake-hammer or the false-genuine-hammer?

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dedo - I feel town but some things concern me. I was thinking something about dedo & zfr on a team maybe? does dedo/pooka or dedo/lift make sense? I need to read over it to remember. He might target ZFR.
pooka don't think he's scum but I could be wrong. He might target ZFR
lift leaning town. Would he target ZFR? Maybe not.
blotunga I don't know. Claims he wouldn't target ZFR but why should I believe him?
rwarehall I'd like him to be scum, but I'm struggling to see it. Would he target ZFR? Can anyone give some insight?
Carr hard to read, I'm not sure he's as lurky as people make out. Maybe he would target ZFR, but I don't know what his logic would be.
RedFire I could believe he's scum. He might target ZFR.

any other thoughts?

Hmmmst. Let's see what we got.

Why not elaborate on what you don't like? In fact, I'm curious how you don't like some of my posts but still put me as leaning Town. Must be some nuance that I am missing?


Thinking about it, ZFR did push for the GR lynch enough that he would've been suspected for it, which does hint at his kill being used to throw shade on me. But why kill him if they wanted me to look shadier? I got to L-1 and I see it likely to happen again. Why not keep ZFR alive so that he can get suspected enough for the GR wagon ALONGSIDE getting me lynched? From that angle, they could've picked off one of the other players, like Carr, and get enough players to burn through Today and Tomorrow.

The more I think about it, the more I believe it's all about throwing us off track.


At least you're consistent about that: both of us had been reluctant about claiming too early in the hope we made it to next Day. But really, though...

Why would you nightkill one of Pooka-Lift, knowing they're in conflict and both were dangerously close to lynch?

That's about it for now. I'll catch up on Joe's latest post at this time.

I felt Lift hinting at something else than vanilla. I might be wrong.

So,
1. you either interpreted my question whether I should claim as a soft-claim that I do have a PR or you are just now trying to fish for a statement, whether that was what I meant. ... No, I'll have to disappoint you. I won't fall for that and won't clarify whether I have a PR or not.
2. You are trying to use the fact that I am still alive although you thought I had a PR for a LAMIST statement. 'If I were Scum, Lift wouldn't be alive anymore! Therefore I must be Town!'

Also, as Pooka already observed, no self-respecting scum would have killed me or Pooka after we were suspected people yesterday. If Pooka is Town, scum would try to use the conflict between us to drive the next mislynch and if Pooka is scum, they would still try to get me mis-lynched today.

Hm. Actually I can understand that motivation. ... Which reduces Joe's scumminess. Bummer. For completeness sake: I think I was lynched 3 times on D1. The first two times were as Town and the third time I was a SK - and, without knowing it, the only scum in the game so the game ended prematurely after my D1 lynch. (I didn't even know that I was the one who had committed the N0 flavour kill. ... Funny game that. :-) )

I'm still waiting for agent's reply. There's just too little of him to read and I am very interested in the reason for his vote.

I'm not fishing but if I would suspect someone as a PR I'd go for him even if he can be a lynch. I am not a self respecting scum (I was one only once), so probably my scumbuddies might've talked me out of it.

Pooka's plays have kept him in the center of attention, when he could have either stayed hidden or reduced the suspicion against him. Meanwhile, his posts at the end of the day become more concerned with what happens to town on D2, instead of trying to argue his way out of a lynch. For instance, before GR's change in playstyle, Pooka was warning him about being a potential lightning rod later on. My expectation of a scum likely to be lynched would be either talking their way out of it or trying to shade someone for the next day. So overall, I do still think he's town.

The only thing that gives me pause is post 277. Softclaiming appeared to play at least some part in Pooka's wagon getting dropped. I can understand why scum wouldn't NK Pooka, since he would be useful as as topic of suspicion, but I also think there should be some discussion on this point. On the off chance that I'm wrong, and Pooka is scum, then he now has some information about the game balance after ZFR flipped cop. So should we make Pooka claim?

Again, not unless you absolutely want me lynched and there's no backing down. My claiming without being lynched would benefit the scum more than it would town; in the case of vanilla town it would not only provide scum an easy lynch by saying this is what scum would claim but also tells them they don't need to nightkill me at all, and in the case of a power role they'll try to get me mislynched or nightkilled pronto. Not a good idea either way.