Eh, that's how I play....gotta stay true to one's self, am I right?

At this point no one(barring myself) is gaining any traction so a vote from me wouldn't help much. If someone can get a good wagon going I might add my vote and hope beyond all hope we hit scum.

And what exactly is a good wagon? Lift is at L-3...actually you do answer that question yourself. Your wagon is I believe, currently at L-4, and you say that no one barring yourself is gaining any traction. So disregard my previous question, think about the next one.

- Why do you think Lift's wagon is not gaining any traction but yours is?
- Suppose all of Lift's votes vanished right now. Why do you think you're gaining traction with only two votes? I had two votes, so did Joe, so you're far from the only one to be brought to L-4...

Honestly, you're making me consider putting you a little behind Lift now.

Tbh I was so caught up in the day 1 silliness(hence more jokes than usual) I haven't kept full track of the vote like I should.

What's the chances of hitting scum with our alternatives? I voted lift initially to provoke RedFire, and provoked you and some others and lift as well, and then I figure that a 2/9 chance from me guessing is better than a 0 chance of hitting scum if we trust some mafia.

I also figure that in a game where everybody's acting like themselves and sniping at each other about it it makes sense to look for someone who isn't being provocative, who tends to be a difficult lynch. When was lift last lynched on day one? I reckon it's about his turn. Sorry lift :p

More to come but I just lost half a post, one sec.

1. No, not only GR, of course. If there were only one wagon on one player whom I didn't have on my radar at all and voting him were the only way to avoid a no-lynch, I would reluctantly join that train or hammer. I firmly believe that a lynch on D1 is necessary for Town. The people I mentioned were just the ones that stand out.

2. so your argument is, that I'm too friendly? But you say yourself that that's no real reason.

3. There is a difference between playful nonsense and an actual vote. A vote out of RVS is no joke. It carries weight and even for you it is strange that you vote without reason when the deadline approaches.

4. Not at all certain. But why would you choose this attention-seeking 'strategy' if you were Town? You are wasting time chasing someone who you have no real reason to suspect. As I said before, whatever you are, this is anti-town play and you are experienced enough to know that. So your 'strategy' doesn't make sense with you!Town or you!Scum really. So I wonder what you are up to. But in any case, you stick out and are strange and on D1 that is enough to base a case on, until something better comes along.

5. So, Pooka gives you a lot of uneasiness - and yet you keep your vote on the target you don't have any real reason to vote for. Interesting.

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You got that backward. You see me mentioning things that are a bit suspicious about you as 'building up' a case against you? Even though I only mention you as possible alternative lynch? And you see the person I actually build a case against and vote against as 'mere distraction and damage control'? ... Why would I have to control any damage? And why is a person, who votes without having a reason to do so, a 'distant third' for you, while a person that states he would vote you to avoid a no-lynch is your top scum pick?
Either you are awfully self-centered so that you see any mention of you as possible lynch as an attack on you. Or you do have reason to be sensitive to be suspected in this game. Maybe I was wrong and you are actually the more scummy one. Why else would you be so over-sensitive to being suspected? Town doesn't have reason to be such. We know that we more often than not suspect each other. Yes, I reacted to Joe's vote on me as well. But that wasn't because he suspected me. It sticks out because he voted without voicing any suspicion.

Oh by the way. Yes, NOW I am building a case against you. Or more precisely, you did build a case against yourself. Maybe I was wrong and you are actually scummier that Joe's strange behavior is. But before I possibly switch my vote, to you, let me ask you: are there any reasons you suspect me that aren't related to what I said about you? Anything suspicious relating to another player? Or do you only react to suspicion placed on yourself?

What is your criteria for a good wagon?


What if I told you I was never lynched on D1? Better yet, I was lynched exactly once for some 25 odd games I've played here. Would knowing that tip your choice or are you sticking with Lift still?


I made such assumptions? Can you show me where I did that as I don't really remember doing it and I'm getting slightly worried about my mental health now. I can't answer about changes at this point but if you show me in which post(s) I said what you think I said I may be able to.


Pooka's way of posting is giving me uneasiness overall. I'm getting a similar feeling by his posts like when we were scum together last time. Unfortunately I can't seem to remember how he behaved and structured his content in previous games when he was Town. So this may be a false positive, but it does provoke a tingling sense in my stomach.

Then again, I'm sick so this may be something else entirely.

That lest bit is very much true, which is why I might vote lift and hope for the best.

1 game that I remember, to be entirely truthful.....I might have lived longer in games I played in from ages past but I cannot recall those much(again due to p*ss poor memory).

Also yeah, if I don't get lynched I usually get night killed most times before day 3 or so.

How so.....to me that doesn't seem overly scummy, but maybe I(as a relative "newb") am missing something that makes such more pro-scum play?
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Usually one that I feel has some merit; due to posts i've seen that might support such lynches or a good gut feeling to go with such lynches(usually I give credence more to the former than the latter).

That sucks....is it the flu by any chance?
I had that once as a teen and was bed ridden for a whole week.

Anyways here's to hoping you get well soon. :)

Slightly higher if we go for people who behave a bit scummy.

But that's not the whole point. Scum can't "scum hunt" so they pretend to. If players give reasons why they vote someone, we can analyze and try to fgure out which ones are "fake" and belong to scum. Which is why stabbing in the dark without giving reasons is scum play. Your out of the blue Lift vote was scummy for that reason.

But you've given your reasons now, so that's there.

Yes it will.

And if you say it won't "help" much, then it wouldn't "hurt" much either, right? So why don't you make one. Maybe it will start a "good" wagon?

I'm really tempted to vote GR whose play is most antitown so far. But it is an easy option and there is a good chancde it's GR just being GR.

What if I was wrong and my wagon tales votes away from people actually ARE scum?

It's also that at this point I have not many solid leads and don't know who to vote for(Only a few posts have stood out to me and mostly just slightly).

You can always do it and use the "all the cool kids are doing it" reasoning. :D

So you're the popular kid.

Back on topic...

Ok, the Joe-Lift debate got a bit more heated, so is Joe trying to deflect attention to pooka or is there more? Is one scum, or both are just clueless town sniffing eachother out?

Also dedo singling out pooka, could we have a joe-dedo scum team? Neah, I don't think scum would confirm eachother in such an obvious way.

Zfr riding on GR's ass, while has some merit, nobody seems to follow suit, so I'm guessing townish. Not much else so far from me.

Btw some speculation. Last time scum had daychat when there was a 8:2 setup. So probably they can coordinate better than usual (and no coaching will likely happen here).

Well, no 24 hour warning from trent yet, so I guess we still have some time left and I'll wait a bit more for Pooka's reply before making my decision.

I'll let you into a secret: in this game Townies are more often wrong than not. We can only work through the muddle by a process of elimination and correction. Be wrong, correct your views and analyse the reasons others gave when they were wrong. The only ones who can be sure are Scum.
If you don't risk being wrong, you're worse that wrong. You're useless. So your 'Oh No! I could be wrong so I won't vote at all' stance is both anti-town and anti-game. If we take no risks, we have lost already because Scum can just eliminate us one by one. Or is that maybe the reason for your reluctance? Do you hesitate to tie yourself to any wagon of which you KNOW that it will lead to a mislynch?

It's Sunday so let's have a vote count

Being Voted ------------------------------------ Voted by
Lift -----------------------------------------------ZFR (Post 12), JoeSapphire (Post 106), Pooka (Post 148)
JoeSapphire------------------------------------ RedFireGaming (Post 16), Lift (Post 115)
GameRager------------------------------------agentcarr (Post 139), RWarehall (Post 147)

Closest to lynch is Lift at L-3


The Day will end in about 2 1/2 days, Tuesday night in the US. No set time, it will happen out of the blue that evening unless a lynch is achieved before then.

You saw my case as going nowhere, so you thought of other places to go. Such as Joe for instance. So you make me an alternative instead of your focus. It's a strategy I use as a Secret Hitler Fascist: make my real target just an alternative rather than my focus.

As we learn later, the vote was made to draw reactions. In which case, I'm willing to give the Joe case a little more development before worrying too much about it.

The reason this whole thing started is because I invoked it, so talking about myself is an inevitable part of discussing my wagon. It's not the possibility of being lynched that I am worried about (or else I'd be like "blotunga bad" which I wasn't; I even specifically said he looks like he always does to me); it's more the possibility that scum have to latch onto me as the typical RVS mislynch is no longer in sight.

Relating to another player, I see GR being strange with his voting patterns; seeing his wagon as "gaining traction" but not yours, then apologizing when caught on this inconsistency. That, combined with RW's observation about him, makes me worry. We've also got Joe for his stab in the dark, though like I said, I'd like more time for it to develop to figure out if we're on to something, since unlike GR's strangeness, Joe's motive for doing it is getting reactions out of people, in a game where getting them is practically scumhunting.