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Also if you look at vote tally you'd see flub is not the obvious choice. Although I'd like to know if you meant obvious choice to you or others when you said that. If it is the former then ignore my previous post.

Have you seen my posts about books? I have pointed out what I find off and I have my vote on him.

Yes, Flub is very smart and plays the game how he feels is needed. IMO
Yes, same.

Unless your scum? You sir are not always town. You know some people love to lynch lairs.


You seem very sure what scum would do is down to almost being lynched.
Well I do find you scummy as hell, your logic on making sure the mason go to tomorrow is spot on.

I just really dont feel flub is scum. Why would we not try to lynch scum today and just give in to lynching town? And the comment on getting rid of vanillas is eye brow raising and how are you do sure that scum would take out a vanilla townie over night?

None because the masons should be smart enough not to claim at all even if down to the lynch. Do not give scum anything at all is the smartest move. IMO

Yes. Don't eat yellow snow. And not voting and just letting everyone else vote isnt town either.



Feels a little weird someone mentions you have been quiet and then your back commenting on someone who is voting and you are not. Same as hyper. Scum has the option to let town lynch themselves and just watch.

Cute. Especially since you're the one that used the term "push" in the first place. If I had even a remote interest in a rushed lynch, why didn't I take advantage of flubbucket's wagon when he had 5 votes?

My question was what is stopping you from pursuing the lynch of a player you're pretty sure is scum, more so that of one that has a viable wagon on them. Case in point adaliabooks, whom you stated to be pretty sure is scum, and who at the time of your post was at L-3, and at L-2 at the time of my question to you.



I won't even dignify the first bit with a comment. And you placing a vote when you (finally) showed up automatically makes you town, eh?


Forgive me, I was not aware that only those with a placed vote are entitled to comment on others with a placed vote.


Didn't you just say you find adaliabooks scummy as hell?

As I said to Hyper: "Before any lynch happens we need to hear from all the quiet players. Hunter, dedo, Leonard, Krypsyn, Sage, and bookwyrm. But I guess you want a rushed lynch for some reason?"

So why would I put adalia at L-1.

And as I said to mchack: : "I did not take into consideration that both scum teams could try to convert flub at the same time or that both scum teams might target other players for the NK. So now more so than before I will not be voting flub and don’t think he is the necessary lynch today."

I'm here now and reading. I had a day out with my family.

I do not think adalia is town hence my vote on him and my posts about his words.


Wow. You ok Hyper. You seem a bit snippy.

1. Your putting words in my mouth. That alone is scummy. I also had my vote on krypsen. Yes it did start as a play joke day one, however, his lack of talking and just voting however was something I found very scummy and was happy with my vote. Also if my lack of posting has been a issue please take it up with the mod, I do not need snide remarks.

2. Once again words in my mouth I did not say. But thank you for your smart ass comments, they definitely help move the game forward.

3. I DO FIND ADALIA SCUMMY. My comment about scum having the option to sit and let town lynch themselves is something that can happen. my comment was intended to show why I was commenting. If my comment on scum can let town lynch themselves is so off base for you, then does that mean all this talk about what may or may not happen during the night or days to come, does that fall into the same category to you?

This is purely a guess but I predict a nasty surprise for scum in that case.

Any nasty surprise for scum is a good surprise

@Hyper - My post came off a little to snippy back at you. I do apologize It went to far. It was meant in jest to get my point across.

Unofficial Vote Count

flubbucket - 2 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187; adaliabooks 265; mchack 268/316; Krypsyn 308/382; ZFR 312/363)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes - (mchack 15/56; Bookwyrm627 34/47; adaliabooks 39/46; Krypsyn 42/49, Hunter65536 108/172)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Leonard03 107/169)

adaliabooks - 5 Votes (ZFR 10/32; Hunter65536 16/108; Krypsyn 28/33; mchack 117/174; Leonard03 169; Krypsyn 171/308; ZFR 192/312; Sage103082 300; ZFR 363; mchack 372, Krypsyn 382)

Krypsyn - 1 Votes - (Sage103082 22/300; ZFR 32/62; Krypsyn 33/42; Krypsyn 49/61; trentonlf 72/123; Krypsyn 74/129; trentonlf 261)

ZFR - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 9/26; Bookwyrm627 12/30; Krypsyn 24/28)

Hunter65536 - 0 votes (Bookwyrm627 30/34)

Leonard03 - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 87/115; mchack 94/117; Bookwyrm627 127/127)

mchack - 1 Votes (ZFR 62/153; Bookwyrm627 127/187; Krypsyn 129/171; adaliabooks 197/265; trentonlf 213/261; dedoporno 361)

Sage103082 - 0 Votes - (trentonlf 20/72; Bookwyrm627 47/127; adaliabooks 55/65; Krypsyn 61/74; mchack 201/268)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (mchack 56/94; flubbucket 80/97)

Lifthrasil (i.e. suicide vote) - 0 Votes (dedoporno 98/114)

Other - 0 votes (flubbucket 97/160)

Not Voting - HypersomniacLive, flubbucket, Hunter65536

I'll let you off then ;)



Sorry everyone, works been really busy tonight and I don't think I have the energy to properly read and respond to everything tonight.
I'll post some responses to everyone tomorrow.

nope, sorry. thought you maybe didn't remember. But of course, as always there's more to your questions than meets the eye. Really sorry to have hampered your scumhunting there.

At the time he posted the vids, I was thinking he really might be scum and the vids themselves reinforced that for me. That yoda really is creepy at the end saying "I am not your friend. Don't go to sleep" suggesting scum and nightkills coming in. The second video, "I like to watch" suggests he doesn't actually want to play anymore and rather only observe. Hence my comment a short time later "sounds like suicidal scum to me"

not at all meaningless. By that time (#369) I was rather convinced he's town and was very angry at his play. it is my earnest believe that it is a bad play to go "vote me, I am the lynch today" as town. But it's a game and he did what he thinks is right, but he can't decide for all of us how this game goes on and that what I now believe is a town player is the lynch Day 1. Hence why I said: "you don't get to decide that"

If you do a thought experiment about a massclaim D1 or one about nolynch or one about the game is broken anyway and write about it in length, you get people to think about it, planting seeds etc. Sure he was not actually suggesting to do it, but he brought it up and may make some people think "hmm, massclaim..." or "broken setup, why even bother trying, town can't win anyway even if we know all scum players"
why even bring it up? that not scummy to you? for me it is.

okay, okay. there were really more important matters back then, but now since I have a bit of time:

my scumlist: (no townlist coming)

#1 adalia for,
a) painting a silly RVS joke of mine as a "genuine scumslip" - outlined in #254
b) speculating about Powerroles right after saying that's bad for town and without being pressured into it - outlined in #275
b2) throwing shade at HSL for no reason (well outright calling him scum (maybe)) - also in #275
c) Actively and verbosely trying to lynch a player he himself is sure is town - outlined in #318
d) baiting scum into recruiting him (good for him if he's scum) by mentioning having worked out good scum play - example in #228, #269, #318, #328
e) actually releasing said info into the wild (with noone asking for it (though I don't find it much, by his definition it helps scum)) - that is #370
f) the following sentence that really should be on a meme or something it's so scummy, I have to quote it:
#2 dedo for,
a) helping adalia in painting a silly RVS joke as a "genuine scumslip". #145 - outlined in #254
b) the whole self preservation bit + the omgus, lamist bits #214 + #258 + #270 + #209 while I conceded about the omgus and eventually lamist stuff being my own fault, I really felt he was going out of his way to make me look bad. could be scumhunting, could be setting me up as a town mislynch but what really got me was
c) when HSL entered and asked questions of his own he suddenly went all can't talk this is touching PR, #242 which I didn't want to accept and let to the whole "would you" debate he still answered with (and I paraphrase) "can't talk this is touching PR" - see yourself in #351
d) his Hypothetical case where he is hypothetically fishing for PR in #270, to which he later conceded he wouldn't actually do that #351
e) voting me with his only reason being "mchack is the strongest negative vibe" in #361

not adalia level stuff but it's what makes me think he may be scum for now. He was scum last game and I didn't get it till shortly before the end, so I might be overly sensitive with him. But that just means that he's a good scum player (or I'm a bad town player)

there's others that irk me a bit (to a way lesser extent), but after having thought about it, I don't wanna go into it right now.

This I agree with. I'm not sure if I follow adalia's logic or if I miss something from it, but I don't see how claiming mason is such a good play for scum (well, they will probably avoid the immediate lynch but in the long run they are likely to go down anyway, since there are these new threats for them).


What? How is that not the best position?! Or do you mean that in the context of a knowing everyone's role?


I have and up until now they were less than solid. Your vote on adalia was based on him giving Kyrpsyn a free pass for voting the player with the most votes. Your suspicion of him deepened based on him wagon jumping to secure a vote. Do you honestly believe these can pass for what you're asking of others?

Now you are getting ridiculous. First of all, when you cite posts make sure to point to their actual numbers rather than your own responses to them. #141 was my post and I asked before adalia. How was I helping him paint anything as a slip if I mentioned it first?!

Do you realize the majority of your list is based on stuff I DIDN'T DO?! And if you honestly believe "mchack is the strongest negative vibe" is the reasoning behind my post as a sole statement with nothing behind it, I don't know what more to say to you, but feel free to update it to "even stronger". What did you call it last game? Shade casting?

The major facet of town is our lack or knowledge. I'm not "deciding" what we're doing because I'm only one player. However I am offering a clear and obvious choice. Town players will see it and be able to use it to make a decision. I'm no tyrant, but this specific game setup does dictate a certain Day One protocol. Finding scum on Day One is really unlikely so making sure we don't lynch a valuable asset a paramount.