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Posted October 19, 2017
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ZFR: _No-lynch is worse then lynch. Someone has to be lynched.
Finally, someone who gets it!

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mchack: heh. I remember that. He was scum and gotten a pass day 1 for being new, right? but iirc he went mia and then even came out, so not much damage done (other than to scum)... also wasn't he scumbuddy with adalia?
I believe Krypsyn (our other buddy that game) went out Day 1 and then me and Trent (who was neutral) had a go at breaking the game due to obvious imminent loss for scum.
Fun times.
That was your first game wasn't it?

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dedoporno: The people who seem less active are usually like this on D1, so I can't tell yet. What stood out a bit was mchack's #174. Up until then he was mostly talking funny stuff but after adalia (jokingly?) called him scum mchack reacted with a juicier serious post with reads on players. That's not AI on it's own of course, but it may have been the self-preservation instict kicking in to not stick out. After adalia voted him mchack made sure to not put an OMGUS vote and inform us about it which is also somewhat odd.
Posting on my phone so I'll answer Hypers' question later but this is the reason I actually placed my vote. After calling him out he specifically made sure to say he found me townie, which he reinforced again after I did vote him. I've seen this response from scum on a good few occasions now, attempt to pocket anyone who finds you suspicious.
Posted October 19, 2017
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ZFR: Well, you're not going to vote for yourself. [...]
Obviously(?) not, but I still don't follow why that changes the chances of a good or bad lynch. Unless your point wasn't about said chances?
And if you're town, then wouldn't a bad lynch include yourself?



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mchack: [...] anyway, since my spidey sense is not tingling for you, you won't get any omgus vote from me. [...]
Not sure how to read this. Could you rephrase/elaborate?


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mchack: [...] scum might convert but I guess we'll see that by the number of nightkills) [...]
What if both scum teams go for a NK and choose the same target?



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mchack: heh. I remember that. He was scum and gotten a pass day 1 for being new, right? [...]
Not exactly. He made a pretty solid newbie play on D1, and just about everyone (except HijacK, IIRC) was more than eager to help him out and clue him in as to how to appear even more (newbie) town.


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mchack: [...] also wasn't he scumbuddy with adalia?
Yep. Guess who else in this game was scum that game.


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mchack: can be, haven't looked it up. point being, not lynching a new player day 1 hasn't hurt that game, even when it was scum...
It may well have if he had been actively partaking after D1, but we never got to see his past D1-play.



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Leonard03: He's giving me antsy-scum vibes. [...]
Anything specific you can point to?


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Leonard03: [...] Ahh, it's coming back to me. Didn't he just completely disappear and only showed up after the game was over?
That's besides my point. Just go ISO him, and you'll see what I mean.



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dedoporno: [...] That's not AI on it's own of course, but it may have been the self-preservation instict kicking in to not stick out. [...]
Does the self-pres instinct kick in only when one's scum?
Posted October 19, 2017
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ZFR: I'm wondering if a no-lynch vote is actually good in this particular setup, since there are two scum factions and they may kill each other.
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dedoporno: I don't see how that's not terrible in our setup - we don't have any form of investigation, so we can't count on new non-death related information to work with Tomorrow and we'll most likely be fewer in numbers (the scum may have increased in addition to that). Also, the non-lynched player is actually increasing scum's chances of hitting correct Tonight since the target pool is diluted by the survivor.

(pre-post edit: I see most of this has been touched on already, but anyway...)

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trentonlf: Yes I believe it was. I think Hunter tried to post a pic of it but the formatting is messed up. Have you noticed someone playing more reserved than they usually do on Day 1? They are posting but It’s nothing that is memorable?
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dedoporno: The people who seem less active are usually like this on D1, so I can't tell yet. What stood out a bit was mchack's #174. Up until then he was mostly talking funny stuff but after adalia (jokingly?) called him scum mchack reacted with a juicier serious post with reads on players. That's not AI on it's own of course, but it may have been the self-preservation instict kicking in to not stick out. After adalia voted him mchack made sure to not put an OMGUS vote and inform us about it which is also somewhat odd.

Speaking of adalia, he seems to be accumulating a record number of votes most of which are unexplained?!

(pre-post edit: some "explanations" were provided after all, but meh)

@Wyrm, adalia hinted to what I meant. If it's still unclear let me know.
I’ve noticed the trend that seems to be “vote adaliabooks”, but it’s a trend I have no plan of participating in today as I think it’s an incorrect trend.

That comment from mchack gave me pause as well, it seemed almost like a forced comment to make adalia see him in a positive light.

On that note:
Unvote flub
Vote mchack
Posted October 19, 2017
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dedoporno: ... The people who seem less active are usually like this on D1, so I can't tell yet. What stood out a bit was mchack's #174. Up until then he was mostly talking funny stuff but after adalia (jokingly?) called him scum mchack reacted with a juicier serious post with reads on players. That's not AI on it's own of course, but it may have been the self-preservation instict kicking in to not stick out. After adalia voted him mchack made sure to not put an OMGUS vote and inform us about it which is also somewhat odd.
"But if I were to choose one player to place a serious vote on it would mchack. " - adalia

you call that jokingly? you in the same game as me?

and what is bad in a self-preservation instinct? of course I don't want to be lynched same as every other townie should. last game, I was quite upset with hunter just self-hammering as a vanilla townie! I would have kicked and screamed in his place and maybe it would have helped, the only real scum back than were you and some people did suspect you back than. So self-preservation is a good thing.

As for the omgus thing, well you sure like to point out lamist behaviour, but I've not yet gotten the hang of avoiding that yet. It's the truth and town should never lie, so I try to do that. that's it really. And I've seen it in other players where you haven't pointed it out.
Posted October 19, 2017
Unofficial Vote Count
(Well, maybe it'll be right this time. Fourth time is the charm?)

flubbucket - 1 Votes (trentonlf 123/213; Bookwyrm627 187)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes - (mchack 15/56; Bookwyrm627 34/47; adaliabooks 39/46; Krypsyn 42/49, Hunter65536 108/172)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Leonard03 107/169)

adaliabooks - 3 Votes (ZFR 10/32; Hunter65536 16/108; Krypsyn 28/33; mchack 117/174; Leonard03 169; Krypsyn 171; ZFR 192)

Krypsyn - 1 Votes - (Sage103082 22; ZFR 32/62; Krypsyn 33/42; Krypsyn 49/61; trentonlf 72/123; Krypsyn 74/129)

ZFR - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 9/26; Bookwyrm627 12/30; Krypsyn 24/28)

Hunter65536 - 0 votes (Bookwyrm627 30/34)

Leonard03 - 0 Votes (adaliabooks 87/115; mchack 94/117; Bookwyrm627 127/127)

mchack - 2 Votes (ZFR 62/153; Bookwyrm627 127/187; Krypsyn 129/171; adaliabooks 197; trentonlf 213)

Sage103082 - 1 Votes - (trentonlf 20/72; Bookwyrm627 47/127; adaliabooks 55/65; Krypsyn 61/74; mchack 201)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes (mchack 56/94; flubbucket 80/97)

Lifthrasil (i.e. suicide vote) - (dedoporno 98/114)

Other - 0 votes (flubbucket 97/160)

Not Voting - HypersomniacLive, dedoporno, adaliabooks, flubbucket, Hunter65536
Posted October 19, 2017
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Hunter65536: @hsl That out of 11 could be that he’s counted himself out since he’s talking from a personal perspective I guess. Seems like a subtle LAMIST.
Yes, exactly that's what I meant.

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HypersomniacLive: Obviously(?) not, but I still don't follow why that changes the chances of a good or bad lynch. Unless your point wasn't about said chances?
And if you're town, then wouldn't a bad lynch include yourself?
Sorry, I might not have worded it properly, but I meant chances of myself making a good/bad/terrible vote, instead of chances of good/bad/terrible lynch happening.
Posted October 19, 2017
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Krypsyn: (Well, maybe it'll be right this time. Fourth time is the charm?)
Nope. Adaliabooks should definitely not be in the 'Not Voting' category.
Posted October 19, 2017
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mchack: [...] anyway, since my spidey sense is not tingling for you, you won't get any omgus vote from me. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Not sure how to read this. Could you rephrase/elaborate?
well, I wanna vote lurker (as said before, I believe it's a scummy play (besides being shown wrong last game in that sense) or someone who I think is scum, which isn't adalia at the moment (besides his wormridden gut not giving good advice) so that's why I won't vote adalia. Pointing it out may be lamist, so what. I think that's my modus operandi. re-read my last games and find all the lamist stuff, I've posted... I think I'm not going out of my way but just being me.

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mchack: [...] scum might convert but I guess we'll see that by the number of nightkills) [...]
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HypersomniacLive: What if both scum teams go for a NK and choose the same target?
Then I would think one player was converted and probably never have thought about this happening (it would be quite incredible to happen. unless it's krypsyn, then it's probably quite likely if he's town. He seems to infer quite the fear in scum when he is town, as far as I recall from the one time I was scum)
Posted October 19, 2017
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Leonard03: He's giving me antsy-scum vibes. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Anything specific you can point to?

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Leonard03: [...] Ahh, it's coming back to me. Didn't he just completely disappear and only showed up after the game was over?
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HypersomniacLive: That's besides my point. Just go ISO him, and you'll see what I mean.
Unfortunately, no. Just a feeling. I always play this game a bit from the hip.

True, I was just trying to remember.

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mchack: "But if I were to choose one player to place a serious vote on it would mchack. " - adalia

you call that jokingly?
He gotcha there dedo
Posted October 19, 2017
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mchack: well, I wanna vote lurker [...] or someone who I think is scum, [...]
In this order?


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mchack: [...] Pointing it out may be lamist, so what. I think that's my modus operandi. re-read my last games and find all the lamist stuff, I've posted... I think I'm not going out of my way but just being me. [...]
[emphasis added]

Isn't that what you'd want to do if you're scum, stick to your usual M.O. and appear as your usual self instead of sticking out by going out of your way? IIRC, we had a little discussion on this subject last game...


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mchack: [...] Then I would think one player was converted and probably never have thought about this happening [...]
I'm having a bit of trouble with this...

On a side note, I suggest you read flubbucket's game #25.
Posted October 19, 2017
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dedoporno: Also, the non-lynched player is actually increasing scum's chances of hitting correct Tonight since the target pool is diluted by the survivor.
I don't think I understand. Please elaborate.

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dedoporno: @Wyrm, adalia hinted to what I meant. If it's still unclear let me know.
Will do.

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HypersomniacLive: Stuff
ZFR needs to die, or am I mistaken?
Posted October 19, 2017
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mchack: well, I wanna vote lurker [...] or someone who I think is scum, [...]
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HypersomniacLive: In this order?
right now yes, since I don't know who scum is. Besides, the chances that with 4 scum one of them is lurkie aren't that bad, I guess.

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mchack: [...] Pointing it out may be lamist, so what. I think that's my modus operandi. re-read my last games and find all the lamist stuff, I've posted... I think I'm not going out of my way but just being me. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]

Isn't that what you'd want to do if you're scum, stick to your usual M.O. and appear as your usual self instead of sticking out by going out of your way? IIRC, we had a little discussion on this subject last game...
yes, I remember. But tell me how are you supposed to act when you are town? your usual self, avoiding doing scummy things, or for fear of being called out on it, acting all strange and do stuff like softclaiming PRs you don't have (as wyrm did last game - oh wait for him that was his usual play and thats what saved him from lynch. Incidently shouldn't town wyrm be coming up with something by now)?

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mchack: [...] Then I would think one player was converted and probably never have thought about this happening [...]
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HypersomniacLive: I'm having a bit of trouble with this...

On a side note, I suggest you read flubbucket's game #25.
well, it hasn't occured to me until you mentioned it. will read game #25 when I have the time. right now I'll try and reread this one.
Posted October 19, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: Does the self-pres instinct kick in only when one's scum?
Probably no, but it probably kicks harder when one is.


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mchack: "But if I were to choose one player to place a serious vote on it would mchack. " - adalia

you call that jokingly? you in the same game as me?
I think so. I added a question mark in parethesis since I wasn't sure what he actually had in mind at the time of posting basing his serious vote on gut feelings.

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mchack: and what is bad in a self-preservation instinct?
I haven't said it's bad, nor did I imply you were supposed to take anything without defending. I said it caught my attention - the timing, the response and the non-omgus follow-up.

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mchack: As for the omgus thing, well you sure like to point out lamist behaviour, but I've not yet gotten the hang of avoiding that yet. It's the truth and town should never lie, so I try to do that. that's it really. And I've seen it in other players where you haven't pointed it out.
Sure, stating an obvious fact does count as telling the truth, but no one accused you of lying, right?

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mchack: And I've seen it in other players where you haven't pointed it out.
Why didn't you when it got your attention?


Anyway, a few weeks ago my nephew got 3.5 score score on a pop quiz in math class (that's just below average). When his dad confronted him about the poor grade the kid said almost all of the other kids got 2s (the equivalent of F) so they should go easy on him. A couple of days later they had another quiz where he wasn't as lucky and he failed it. His dad asked him what the rest the class grades were to which the only answer received was "Why are you always trying to compare me with the other kids? It's not fair!!". Funny kid.
Posted October 19, 2017
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dedoporno: Anyway, a few weeks ago my nephew got 3.5 score score on a pop quiz in math class (that's just below average). When his dad confronted him about the poor grade the kid said almost all of the other kids got 2s.
If almost all kids got 2, then his 3.5 is well above average. Even if the remainder kids got all 6s (I'm assuming this is happening in Bulgaria with the standard 2-6 grading system), then the average of {few 6s, 3.5, many 2s} should be somewhere in the vicinity of 2. :P
Posted October 19, 2017
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Krypsyn: (Well, maybe it'll be right this time. Fourth time is the charm?)
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Krypsyn: Nope. Adaliabooks should definitely not be in the 'Not Voting' category.
Why is that?
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