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This is my favourite topic
Posted September 27, 2017
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Lifthrasil: .......... So, from now on for future games I will intentionally try to lurk more and to be useless...............
You're the kind of job stealer Trump warned me about.

I'm gonna build a wall around you.....or around me.....or maybe get you to build a wall around me.

You got any wall building money??
Posted September 27, 2017
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trentonlf: To me casting shade on someone is a way to subtitly build up a negative image of the person you are casting shade on so that it’s easier to accuse that person later of being scum when they are not but it is more believable because of the negative image. I find casting shade (whether it’s on me or someone else) to be vote worthy, and as I did the only reason my vote is still not on Lift is because I find dedo to be the more likely option as the CL. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Except that if the other party is also a townie, they can't know for certain that you're a townie (on D1 of all Days), so it's not necessarily casting shade with the purpose you describe. I'd understand it if you'd been suspicious of Lifthrasil before, i.e. you had reasons to think him scum, hence this act was more likely to come from a scum mindset for you (and why I asked you of other possible reasons), but by your own admission, this is the only reason he qualifies as likely being the CL.

Putting it another way - if this is the only reason you suspect him, what makes you so sure he's not a misguided townie?

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trentonlf: [...] I also hope I don’t ever stoop to placing OMGUS votes, I try not to play that way. If I vote someone it’s for a reason and OMGUS is not a good reason.
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HypersomniacLive: Oh come on, don't take it so personal; you've done plenty of voting as scum for no (real) good reason, and I'm sure you're going to do it again.

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Lifthrasil: [...] Third point: what I don't understand is: flubb is aware of the problem his usual playstyle creates in the specific setting of a cult game. But he decides not to change his problematic style but rather suggests to lynch him. That's what I actually don't understand. Irrespective of faction that he might have. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: If he did change his D1 play, and became helpful (mchack thinks he's been plenty helpful), would you still think of him as townie as you do now? If he had made some play that indicated he doesn't want to be lynched (not that I think that he actually wants to be lynched now that he suggested it), would you brush it off the way you did his request to be lynched? Given how he's been playing recently, which play would increase his chances as CL to survive D1?

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dedoporno: [...] What do you mean what's the purpose? To see what he'll respond like. He mentioned that the CL would probably try to get a bothersome townie out of his way for free during the day, so I wanted to see what his choices would be and the reasoning behind them and then see how that aligns with his play and pushes. Or maybe it's the exact opposite. Or something entirely different. Things that may uncover a pattern.

The second point of who Hijack listed and what he did isn't something I remember or looked for honestly, but I don't see why that should be a reason not to ask if I'm interested in the response. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Thanks for answering.

My point with the bit about HijacK was - how much can you trust the response?

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dedoporno: [...] The one where you were scum of your own? Sure. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Please, I was Edward Tomas Bell, town's good little JOAT Peace Officer.

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dedoporno: [...] I always try to respond to you if I see that there is something left to be clarified. What I don't like it iterating over the same stuff, but so far I don't think we have done that here (well, a bit with Trent :)). [...]
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HypersomniacLive: The difference being that you and I may not see what still needs to be clarified in the same way, more so when as town (or lonesome third party) I have no way of knowing if you're being sincere or just trying to get rid of me because you feel cornered. This applies even more to reiterating things - when I insist it's because something in your initial response doesn't sit well with me, or seems/is contradictory, so reiterating the same stuff again and again isn't what I'm looking for, nor is it going to get me off your back.

And thanks for the wishes, appreciated.
I wasn’t taking it personal I assure you, but I’m not scum so my reasons for voting are very good ones too me ;-)
Posted September 27, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: ...............
If he did change his D1 play, and became helpful (mchack thinks he's been plenty helpful), would you still think of him as townie as you do now? If he had made some play that indicated he doesn't want to be lynched (not that I think that he actually wants to be lynched now that he suggested it), would you brush it off the way you did his request to be lynched? Given how he's been playing recently, which play would increase his chances as CL to survive D1?

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When you recruit me, do I have to change my avatar to match yours??
Posted September 27, 2017
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HypersomniacLive: My point with the bit about HijacK was - how much can you trust the response?
The response's truthfulness may vary between 100% legit to complete and utter BS. What I took out of the whole thing on this stage is the last bit about yourself which felt quite deliberate but very cute nonetheless. I was reminded about mchack not being new to the game, so continuous attention towards him is recommended.
Posted September 27, 2017
@hsl AtE is just useless in scumhunting imo and in no way helps us determine scum from town which is just what I said before. It’s not like scum has got exclusive rights to AtE or some such. To me AtE deserves as much attention as which Kim flub is role playing in this game, none; which destroys the objective even if the one using it is either scum or town. This(clinging to AtE argument) just seems like you being over eager in making others look bad and those who point that out look bad as well. About lift’s point, the context was not the point of contention but which aspect he was remarking about. Nice misrepresentations and shades you are throwing there btw.
Vote HSL
@others If you decide to lynch me today, lynch HSL tomorrow he’s the most probable CL candidate going by how much shade he’s throwing in anticipation of deadline. (Which should reduce a bit now that the deadline has moved to Friday)
@mchack I plead guilty of not identifying hsl’s scheme until now
Posted September 27, 2017
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Hunter65536: This(clinging to AtE argument) just seems like you being over eager in making others look bad and those who point that out look bad as well. About lift’s point, the context was not the point of contention but which aspect he was remarking about. Nice misrepresentations and shades you are throwing there btw.
I may be missing something here, is that the only reason you think he is casting shade bad enough to vote him off?
Posted September 27, 2017
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Hunter65536: @hsl AtE is just useless in scumhunting imo and in no way helps us determine scum from town which is just what I said before. It’s not like scum has got exclusive rights to AtE or some such. To me AtE deserves as much attention as which Kim flub is role playing in this game, none; which destroys the objective even if the one using it is either scum or town. This(clinging to AtE argument) just seems like you being over eager in making others look bad and those who point that out look bad as well. About lift’s point, the context was not the point of contention but which aspect he was remarking about. Nice misrepresentations and shades you are throwing there btw.
Vote HSL
@others If you decide to lynch me today, lynch HSL tomorrow he’s the most probable CL candidate going by how much shade he’s throwing in anticipation of deadline. (Which should reduce a bit now that the deadline has moved to Friday)
@mchack I plead guilty of not identifying hsl’s scheme until now
I don't think it's HSL. He is basically doing his thing. Asking lots of questions, poking, yes, sometimes getting (or representing) things a bit wrong and not providing any insights of himself. And not voting until the very last moment. It's sometimes annoying but in the past his play was quite useful for town. Especially when I was scum, since he always seems to find me scummy and in those cases he was actually right by chance. So, I don't see much deviation from his usual play.

Bookwyrm seems to have fallen very quiet. For someone who made so big waves at the start that is strange. I would like to know whether it's only RL intervening or whether his play has served it's cause and now he is keeping his head down?

I was quite suspicious of trent and I don't like that he equates suspecting him with 'throwing shade'. As if he were above suspicion. But apart from that my suspicion has lessened and he wouldn't be a lynch target for me today.

Flubb, for the reasons explained and stated by himself, will probably be lynched sooner or later. And yes, the others pointing out that he could just acting his normal act and using this 'lynch me' play as reverse psychology are right. So he is a valid target for today.

Initially I was very suspicious of Sage but since mchack seems genuinely invested in the game.

dedo has also made some posts that feel off - but not enough that I would join trent in lynching him. ...

So basically everyone is somewhat suspicious but I have nothing solid to base a vote on and with the lack of better options I think it's time to fall back to the fall-back solution. Hopefully HSL was right and my 'he wouldn't do that as scum' assumtion was wrong.

vote flubbucket

Happy, flubb? You can build all the walls you want, but I'm not paying for them!
Posted September 27, 2017
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Bookwyrm627: ....
You’ve been pretty quiet the last couple of days, what are your thoughts on the votes placed and the reasonings behind the votes?



Vote count please
Posted September 27, 2017
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trentonlf: Vote count please
I most likely messed up Krypsyn's vote counts, but here you go

Official Vote Count

Lifthrasil - 2 Votes (Bookwyrm627 109; trentonlf 175/199; dedoporno 235)

Hunter65536 - 1 Votes (Bookwyrm627 49/109; mchack 268)

HypersomniacLive - 2 Votes (flubbucket 232; Hunter65536 275)

Bookwyrm627 - 0 Votes (Lifthrasil 13/25; flubbucket 71/105; trentonlf 81/154; Lifthrasil 110/174)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

flubbucket - 1 Votes (HypersomniacLive 16/65; Lifthrasil 277)

Sage103082|mchack - 0 Votes (flubbucket 19/44; Bookwyrm627 26/49; Lifthrasil 56/110; flubbucket 105/186; trentonlf 173/175)|

dedoporno - 1 Votes (Hunter65536 7/118; trentonlf 199)

No Lynch - 0 Votes

Inanimate Objects and/or Moderators - 0 Votes (trentonlf 8/81; Sage103082 12/106)

Not Currently Voting: HypersomniacLive

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With 5 votes required to lynch, Lifthrasil and HypersomniacLive are closest at L-3.

Deadline for D1 is sometime after Friday evening..
(Yes, deities have been involved in the decision making. Not at liberty to name names.)

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Format:
<player voted> - <# of current votes> Votes (<player voting> <post voted>/<post unvoted, if applicable>)

Underlined votes are currently active.

All values will revert to 0 and/or blank at the start of a new lynch cycle.
Posted September 27, 2017
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Lifthrasil: I don't think it's HSL. He is basically doing his thing. Asking lots of questions, poking, yes, sometimes getting (or representing) things a bit wrong and not providing any insights of himself. And not voting until the very last moment. It's sometimes annoying but in the past his play was quite useful for town. Especially when I was scum, since he always seems to find me scummy and in those cases he was actually right by chance. So, I don't see much deviation from his usual play. !
That's mostly my view on the matter, as well. I don't really see anything too alarming and out of the ordinary in his play. That doesn't automatically mean he is cleared, but still, nothing to stress that much on at this point. That's why I would like Hunter to share if the ATE topic was the most prominent issue he had with HSL or is there something more. The whole thing seems a bit OMGUS-y.

@Lift, what are your thoughts on Hunter? Also, do you actually find flub scummy or are you just defaulting to him because of his own reasoning for getting lynched?
Posted September 27, 2017
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trentonlf: You’ve been pretty quiet the last couple of days, what are your thoughts on the votes placed and the reasonings behind the votes?
I've been mostly otherwise occupied for the last few days, and I need to reread two people. When I start removing names that I think are town, I'm brought to a somewhat surprising group of potential scum; I also have to keep reminding myself that there is currently exactly one scum.

I'm going to catch up on what has been posted since I last seriously read the thread, and I'll likely have more to say then. Beyond the observation that chunked links are making some of mchack's posts hard to read. x.x
Posted September 27, 2017
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Lifthrasil: So basically everyone is somewhat suspicious but I have nothing solid to base a vote on and with the lack of better options I think it's time to fall back to the fall-back solution. Hopefully HSL was right and my 'he wouldn't do that as scum' assumtion was wrong.

vote flubbucket

Happy, flubb? You can build all the walls you want, but I'm not paying for them!
So what do you make of Hunter? since he isn't remarked upon in that post of yours, although you quoted him and talked to him in your first paragraph about HSL. - I see dedo asked you the same so, of course you don't have to answer twice

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Bookwyrm627: Beyond the observation that chunked links are making some of mchack's posts hard to read. x.x
if you want I can try reposting them with the tips HSL gave me (only one link per line. no other formating options in there) so you can read them more easily? or would that be too much breaking the flow of things?
Posted September 27, 2017
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dedoporno: ...I was reminded about mchack not being new to the game, so continuous attention towards him is recommended.
Heh. well the only two games I played in, both ended prematurly for different reasons. #30, #31 and were about two years ago. so dunno how much practice I actually got out of those. But I did have fun, as I do now. Really hope this one will go through to the end at least, though!
Posted September 27, 2017
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dedoporno: mchack himself isn't, Sage's spot left a worrying feeling which I was hoping to either have filled or dug even deeper. If the game just started with mchack in that spot I'd have him mostly neutral rather than scummy. That's why I'm oriented towards Lift from the two. Still, Sage's legacy is not wiped out clean as mchack may just be dusting off very good so some continuous scrutiny seems in order, but so far so good.
What black marks did Sage leave on that slot?

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Lifthrasil: I'm sorry. Those weren't your exact words, it's just how I read them.
Glad to have that cleared up. Flub said something about age once, but I don't remember what it was.

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HypersomniacLive: And I never said mchack gets an unconditional free pass.
*squint*
Maybe I didn't look back far enough to see the source or something, but who said you did?

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Krypsyn: Deadline for D1 is possibly around when Tyr relinquishes the day to Odin, Cronus time.
(Who knows, Thor might get involved, or, perish the thought, Frigga!)
Did you ever play Wild Arms 2? There was a puzzle in the last dungeon that was kind of like this, and it drove me nuts. One of the maybe two puzzles in that game where I looked up the solution online.

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I'm seeing a lot of my thoughts/words from earlier in the thread being repeated. *squint* JMich, you DID make this C9, right? You didn't perhaps "forget" to inform someone, like maybe me, that you actually used a different setup just to screw with a certain player?

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Oh my. HSL steps forward, and Hunter takes a swing.

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Lifthrasil: Bookwyrm seems to have fallen very quiet. For someone who made so big waves at the start that is strange. I would like to know whether it's only RL intervening or whether his play has served it's cause and now he is keeping his head down?
RL and reflection.

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mchack: if you want I can try reposting them with the tips HSL gave me (only one link per line. no other formating options in there) so you can read them more easily? or would that be too much breaking the flow of things?
Don't worry about it. It took some doing and squinting, but I think I got the gist. When I was first glancing over them, I was wondering why you were posting reasons on three different players in the same paragraph.

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I don't think the CL is Flub or Mchack. I'm not reading Hunter as CL either, though others have made a very good point about this slot being cloaked. Trent is harder, but not top 3. That leaves...Lift, Dedo, and HSL (in no particular order). I admit that I'm not looking forward to trying to sort it out; that is going to be some long reading and hard thinking.
Posted September 27, 2017
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JMich: I most likely messed up Krypsyn's vote counts, but here you go
You failed; you didn't mess up at all. Better luck next time! :)

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Bookwyrm627: Did you ever play Wild Arms 2?
Never did. I think I have seen other puzzles that linked gods with their days, though. Outside of English-speaking countries and Scandinavia, I am not sure if they would translate well though. The romance-language countries are similar, but they use the Roman gods as roots for Tuesday through Friday (Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, and Venus), although there is certainly overlap in deity function.

But, anyway, I think I looked up the etymology a long time ago when I was confused about where the heck Wednesday originated, since it is such a goofy word in English. I think I much prefer Woden's Day. ;)
Post edited September 27, 2017 by Krypsyn
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