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Official Vote Count

Lifthrasil - 1 Votes (Bookwyrm627 109)

Hunter65536 - 0 Votes (Bookwyrm627 49/109)

HypersomniacLive - 0 Votes

Bookwyrm627 - 2 Votes (Lifthrasil 13/25; flubbucket 71/105; trentonlf 81; Lifthrasil 110)

trentonlf - 0 Votes

flubbucket - 0 Votes (HypersomniacLive 16/65)

Sage103082 - 1 Votes (flubbucket 19/44; Bookwyrm627 26/49; Lifthrasil 56/110; flubbucket 105)

dedoporno - 0 Votes (Hunter65536 7/118)

No Lynch - 0 Votes

Inanimate Objects and/or Moderators - 0 Votes (trentonlf 8/81; Sage103082 12/106)

Not Currently Voting: dedoporno, HypersomniacLive, Sage103082, Hunter65536

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With 5 votes required to lynch, Bookwyrm627 is closest at L-3.

Deadline for D1 is sometime between Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning, EU time.

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Format:
<player voted> - <# of current votes> Votes (<player voting> <post voted>/<post unvoted, if applicable>)

Underlined votes are currently active.

All values will revert to 0 and/or blank at the start of a new Day.
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Bookwyrm627: If you think voting for Sage or Trent based on them underlining The Greater Good during a roll call is a good idea, then you go right ahead and officially vote for them.
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dedoporno: If I thought that was a good idea I would have done so. That's the thing - I'm not the one placing invalid votes on people who, based on the ruleset, "indicate they are the CL". And this is the second time you do something not in the way it's supposed to be done. Hence why I asked if it's on purpose.

Sorry to be a disppointment, I'll try harder from now on.
I figured it would be obvious that the unbolded votes on Sage and Trent were not to be taken seriously, since the "logic" behind those invalid votes was absurd even for Day 1 voting.

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On a more relevant note: I am very concerned by the lack of direction from Hunter, Sage, and Flub. If any of these were converted, they would basically have a clean slate to work with as a cultist. This is not a good thing for town, and I would like to see more reads or something from these players.
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Bookwyrm627: I figured it would be obvious that the unbolded votes on Sage and Trent were not to be taken seriously, since the "logic" behind those invalid votes was absurd even for Day 1 voting.
Thanks, just wanted to make things clear.


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Bookwyrm627: ~ Hunter, Sage, and Flub ~
Not to give them a free pass or anything but they feel mostly like themselves from past games - everyone is more or less doing what they are "expected" to do. But I do like to hear some more from Sage, as she did stand out a tiny bit at the beginning.
A catholic priest, a baptist preacher, and bookwyrm are discussing tithing and how much to really give to God. The Catholic priest draws a circle on the ground and stands in the middle of it as he throws some money into the air. He says "Whatever lands in the circle is what is God's portion and the rest I keep". The Baptist preacher stands in the circle and throws the money into the air and says "Whatever money lands outside the circle is God's portion and the rest I keep". Bookwyrm stands in the circle and throws the money in the air and says "Whatever money belongs to God he will keep before it hits the ground and the rest I keep"



Unvote Bookwyrm
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Bookwyrm627: If any of these were converted, they would basically have a clean slate to work with as a cultist.
What if one f them is doing the converting?
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dedoporno: What if one f them is doing the converting?
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trentonlf: A catholic priest, a baptist preacher, and bookwyrm are discussing tithing and how much to really give to God. The Catholic priest draws a circle on the ground and stands in the middle of it as he throws some money into the air. He says "Whatever lands in the circle is what is God's portion and the rest I keep". The Baptist preacher stands in the circle and throws the money into the air and says "Whatever money lands outside the circle is God's portion and the rest I keep". Bookwyrm stands in the circle and throws the money in the air and says "Whatever money belongs to God he will keep before it hits the ground and the rest I keep"



Unvote Bookwyrm
So how did the joke lead in to the unvote?
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Bookwyrm627: If any of these were converted, they would basically have a clean slate to work with as a cultist.
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dedoporno: What if one f them is doing the converting?
Then the usual problem of scum sliding by without talking applies.
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trentonlf: A catholic priest, a baptist preacher, and bookwyrm are discussing tithing and how much to really give to God. The Catholic priest draws a circle on the ground and stands in the middle of it as he throws some money into the air. He says "Whatever lands in the circle is what is God's portion and the rest I keep". The Baptist preacher stands in the circle and throws the money into the air and says "Whatever money lands outside the circle is God's portion and the rest I keep". Bookwyrm stands in the circle and throws the money in the air and says "Whatever money belongs to God he will keep before it hits the ground and the rest I keep"

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Hunter65536: So how did the joke lead in to the unvote?
I don't always agree with what bookwyrm does, he often makes me quirk my eyebrows, but he's a very smart guy and I'm starting to think what he's doing is something that the CL would not do. I also found his recent posts very pro town so for now I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Bookwyrm627: This is not a good thing for town, and I would like to see more reads or something from these players.
Unfortunately my reads haven't developed that much yet, but I keep getting bad vibes from lift and HSL for some reason. Just a gut feeling for now though.
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Bookwyrm627: This is not a good thing for town, and I would like to see more reads or something from these players.
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Hunter65536: Unfortunately my reads haven't developed that much yet, but I keep getting bad vibes from lift and HSL for some reason. Just a gut feeling for now though.
When (where in the thread) did those bad vibes start?

Do you have any good vibes?
The Greater Good

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Bookwyrm627: [...] As a side note, to make sure this doesn't continue to cloud the waters, my 109 vote on Lift was simply because he'd been the only one who had not yet responded to the roll call. [...]
You're still voting him, has anything changed since then?



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flubbucket: [...] If I'm cult I can still type The Greater Good.

If someone forgets it doesn't make them cult and if they remember it doesn't make them town/NWA
No objection here. Why do you think JMich introduced the rule?



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trentonlf: I didn't think the underline mattered, but I also don't think the whole roll call thing matters either and is just a distraction.
And yet you answered it underlining the phrase. Also, same question to you - why do you think JMich introduced the rule?


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trentonlf: [...] As for JMich's post 21 I remember it now, but I honestly forgot about it until it was pointed out by Lift in post 145, and no I was not just skimming posts I just forgot because it didn't stand out as important.
Three people before Lifthrasil drew your attention to that, yet it was only his post that made you click, even though you're not skimming through posts?



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Lifthrasil: Nah. It was just banter. ... Is it just me or did we have this conversation in a previous game too? [...]
Doesn't ring a bell for me.


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Lifthrasil: [...] To your other points: yes, Bookwyrm doing his stupid soft-claiming thing is quite usual too. [...]
Did you miss my question about trentonlf?


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Lifthrasil: [...] I think we have just established that it isn't a posting restriction. So no need to argue about it any more. [...]
Please point me to where I argued the rule is about posting restriction(s).

What do you think it's about?


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Lifthrasil: [...] That is interesting. JMich quite clearly stated that the underlining was what made it a roll-call. (post 21) Are you not reading what our mod posts? I mean, I can understand just skimming what other players write. Especially if they are very wordy. But not reading clarifications from the mod is a bit strange.
[emphasis added]

You can? Interesting.

It's also interesting that you get on his case, making the exact same arguments others made before you, yet you don't acknowledge they did.

Are you practising what you told trentonlf to understand?
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HypersomniacLive: The Greater Good

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Bookwyrm627: [...] As a side note, to make sure this doesn't continue to cloud the waters, my 109 vote on Lift was simply because he'd been the only one who had not yet responded to the roll call. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: You're still voting him, has anything changed since then?

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flubbucket: [...] If I'm cult I can still type The Greater Good.

If someone forgets it doesn't make them cult and if they remember it doesn't make them town/NWA
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HypersomniacLive: No objection here. Why do you think JMich introduced the rule?

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trentonlf: I didn't think the underline mattered, but I also don't think the whole roll call thing matters either and is just a distraction.
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HypersomniacLive: And yet you answered it underlining the phrase. Also, same question to you - why do you think JMich introduced the rule?

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trentonlf: [...] As for JMich's post 21 I remember it now, but I honestly forgot about it until it was pointed out by Lift in post 145, and no I was not just skimming posts I just forgot because it didn't stand out as important.
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HypersomniacLive: Three people before Lifthrasil drew your attention to that, yet it was only his post that made you click, even though you're not skimming through posts?

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Lifthrasil: Nah. It was just banter. ... Is it just me or did we have this conversation in a previous game too? [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Doesn't ring a bell for me.

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Lifthrasil: [...] To your other points: yes, Bookwyrm doing his stupid soft-claiming thing is quite usual too. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Did you miss my question about trentonlf?

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Lifthrasil: [...] I think we have just established that it isn't a posting restriction. So no need to argue about it any more. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Please point me to where I argued the rule is about posting restriction(s).

What do you think it's about?

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Lifthrasil: [...] That is interesting. JMich quite clearly stated that the underlining was what made it a roll-call. (post 21) Are you not reading what our mod posts? I mean, I can understand just skimming what other players write. Especially if they are very wordy. But not reading clarifications from the mod is a bit strange.
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HypersomniacLive: [emphasis added]

You can? Interesting.

It's also interesting that you get on his case, making the exact same arguments others made before you, yet you don't acknowledge they did.

Are you practising what you told trentonlf to understand?
I am only speculating as only JMich really knows the reason, but I would guess JMich introduced the roll call as a way for players to keep others active and participating in the game.

Lift is the person who said what post it was in, when I went back after others said it and looked at the OP's it was shown as underlined there and I took it as what people were referencing. And no I'm not skimming posts, but I'm not rereading the whole thread either for something that was shown in the OP because it didn't seem that I needed to.
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Bookwyrm627: [...] As a side note, to make sure this doesn't continue to cloud the waters, my 109 vote on Lift was simply because he'd been the only one who had not yet responded to the roll call. [...]
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HypersomniacLive: You're still voting him, has anything changed since then?
Post 110 changed the vote from being nearly farcical (only slightly better than my non-votes on Sage and Trent) to something more substantial.

Lift presented cases in such a way as none of them showed any redeeming value within my play, and any possible motivation that did have redeeming value was not stated.

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I acknowledge that I am at some fault in instigating this fascination with the "The Greater Good" posting rules/guidelines/whatever-you-want-to-call-it., but I think it is also a distraction and I can't help but wonder whether someone(s) are using it as a smoke screen for activity.

I figure JMich added "The Greater Good" as a source of amusement and flavor. In line with that, I strongly suggest just dropping it as an avenue of scum hunting. I don't see that such questions will lead anywhere useful, and we have a deadline.
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HypersomniacLive: .............
No objection here. Why do you think JMich introduced the rule?
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My initial thoughts are for WIFOM.

I can let my mind wander and get a little paranoia brewing.

For instance, collating for The Greater Good tallies and seeing how each player stacks up.

Lifthrasil is in six of eight
Hunter is in four of eight
Bookwyrm is in all
Sage makes three misses one then makes three more
and so on etc....

You then compare these to Day Two, Day Three.....


But that seems crazy right??
This will be my last post before I reach Greece. In the unlikely case that things pick up speed and I'm not around to partake I'll leave what a couple of things I found interesting.


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Bookwyrm627: Lift presented cases in such a way as none of them showed any redeeming value within my play, and any possible motivation that did have redeeming value was not stated.
I don't know about not giving credit to the potential pro-town plays but Lift did look like he was reaching a bit too much on a couple of occasions. For example the mention of X-shot unknown power role was didn't make any sense.


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Bookwyrm627: I acknowledge that I am at some fault in instigating this fascination with the "The Greater Good" posting rules/guidelines/whatever-you-want-to-call-it., but I think it is also a distraction and I can't help but wonder whether someone(s) are using it as a smoke screen for activity.
This is where I have Sage to some extent. At the beginning of the game she, during the invalid roll call she skipped it along with a couple of other people (including myself) but she made sure to provide pro-actively mention it and provide an excuse about it, even though no one confronted her nor the others about it. Back then we haven't spoken about it that much yet, so regardless of what we think we know now a scenario where the CL doesn't know that much of it either is quite possible, so they might be on their toes just in case.


All in all, currently these 2 are the people of interest to me. Everyone else is mostly neutral. As for Bookwyrm, I think I understand what the plan he hinted about is, and even though this doesn't automatically clear him I'd rather allow it and see what comes out of it.


I'm not sure I want to leave a vote on anyone at the moment not knowing if I'll be able to control it in the next couple of days but if I had to it would be either on Sage or Lift.