Except that drealmer7 is a mod-confirmed third-party killer, who, logically, couldn't, or at least shouldn't, have knowledge of who's town and who's not when he picked Bookwyrm627 as this target on N1.


If trentonlf flips Town, no quotation marks, then he must be telling the truth, right? Do you think it likely that he'd lie about anything, and if so what reason for, if he's town?

So, if he's telling the truth, looking at the dead we have:
(1) 0 clearly identified as Town.
(2) 7 Neutrals, with 3 of them clearly identified as Neutrals, 1 of them confirmed as a killing one, and, based on his claim (anti-town = bad guys/gals), another 4 also having killing powers.
(3) 1 single lonesome clearly identified as Mafia.

So, with 6 killing powers among the dead, of which 1 is scum and at least 4 are anti-town, and probably one or more scum still alive, and looking at the 6 bodies from NKs, don't you find it odd that exactly zero actual townies lie on the floor in some room? This must be the luckiest town in history of forum mafia. How likely is that? And is it more likely than the simpler explanation that the quotation marks don't mean what trentonlf claims that they do? And if it doesn't, why did he say it does, and insists it's true?



No, and that's another reason I find it hard to believe what trentonlf claims regarding the meaning of the quoted flips. I'm starting to wonder if the quotation marks don't necessarily always mean that the alignment presented in them is a misleading/false one. Anything pointing against one or more of the alignments within quotation marks being actually true ones? I mean, we have alignments without them, but does that mean that the ones with them are necessarily all false? If so, why?

And speaking of alignments, what do people think about yogsloth's name being Arthur Bishop? I assume it's taken from the film The Mechanic (1972) or The Mechanic (2011). In both films, the protagonist is a Hitman who works for some criminal organisation. Do (general) you think this has any bearing on our setup?


A belated very happy birthday, dad! I bet it was a lively celebration and that he had lots of fun. How old is he now?



Does this mean that you were confident enough that your claim would be believed and trusted come D3? If yes, why?


What makes your claim believable and trustworthy?

Put yourself in our shoes. If someone came out, the way you're going about it since Yesterday, and said they were a Town investigative role that the mod had told what the quotation marks on alignments mean in their role PM, and that they had investigated two of the now dead players with results that don't quite match their flips, and one still alive that may or may not flip with quotation marks, would you be eager to take their claim at face value? If yes, why?

Also, how does drealmer7 fit in with what you claim (see my first point in this post)?


And yet it didn't strike you Yesterday as inconsistent for town-JMich? Only now you thought of looking at his posts?


So, people had climbed up your suspects list due to how they were behaving or things they had said, apparently Sage103082 too. I assume that said behaviour and statements looked worse than scum-drealmer7 having slipped, otherwise they wouldn't overshadowed your suspicion of scum-drealmer7 having slipped, yes?
And out of whatever number of players fit in here, you picked Sage103082 for the reason you state in your post #128?
If that was the most eyebrow-raising thing she did all of D1, why was she a priority over those others that were higher than drealmer7 on your radar because of things hey had said or done?
I mean, I don't quite see how that what you say in your post #128 was worse enough to pick her from among your other suspects, let alone bad enough for her to climb higher than drealmer7, so could you explain it to me?

I'm sorry, but at some point I kind of lost track of the goal. What are we trying to do here again?


I don't like what happened in this post. Are you two in cahoots by any chance?


Even after all the inconsistencies that have been pointed out with your claim and your contextual behavior in retrospect? But I wasn't aware that claiming an investigator should be taken at face value regardless of context.

Did you find it interesting how many people seemed to disbelieve a Town protective/scum-eliminating role and were ready to lynch said role?

Also, tell me honestly, how many more investigations do you think you'll do with the bazillion killers we seem to have?


I'm not even counting on other Town players anymore let alone multiples. As for the odds - don't forget the neutrals are many single entities. They are even less likely to win.


I'm not sure if I like where we are. I had some hopes in HSL but his last post re trent made me question him quite a bit.

I'm not the biggest fan of flub or JMich, either.

@cristi, what are your thoughts about trent and the rest of us? What do you think about HSL idea?

I'm a fool and I missed the most important part.


And the new one (I really should start refreshing first)

Thank you, friends! We had a small family party last evening and another, bigger one this Saturday. The man is 3 years old now and he can indicate so with fingers perfectly :)

I think I read HSL's first post wrong and it wasn't suggesting to roll with trent's claim but was describing what might have been the desired goal of a potential false claim.

I'm really tired and it's very possible I'm seeing things that are not there. Sorry, HSL, I spoke too soon.

I will take a breather and do a proper read after a couple of hours and a beer.

I'm scratching my head here. What exactly do you think happened in this post?

FWIW, I have no idea what trentonlf is, but I have serious doubts that he's who he claims to be; more than a few things don't quite add up. If you're looking for someone giving trentonlf the benefit of the doubt you should look elsewhere.


Don't think I follow, could you elaborate?


Are you referring to post #857? What about it makes you question me, and "quite a bit" at that?

Pro tip: it'd be a good idea to keep abiding to your rule of not intervening in other people's conversations.

There's not much more I can say in all this, you either believe my claim or not. If you don't then lynch me and set Town on the losing course because that's what will happen.

Did I handle the reveal well, looks like I screwed it up royally and painted myself in a bad light. That's all on me and I can't change it now. All I can continue to do is tell you the truth. I have no idea why there are so many killing roles in this game, but it sure seems as if they are mainly Neutrals of some sort. Whatever crazy setup RW has concocted it is one that will be remembered for awhile IMO because it is making me scratch my head as to just what the hell is going on.

I will gladly lynch anyone today besides flub because I am not taking the chance and hurting town. So lynch me or take my advice and lynch JMich because I'm pretty sure he's not town.

I assume you're referring to some of the alignments in quotation marks perhaps being true ones, yes? What do you think?

Question open to anyone interested in chiming in. In fact:

What do you think about that? Do you still think that the alignments without quotation marks may be the unreliable ones?


Any thoughts/comments on not all alignments in quotation marks being unreliable?



The resignation rings quite a bit like docbear1975's on D1.

But I'd still like to hear your thought process behind choosing Sage103082 over anyone else high enough on your suspects list.


That may be true, but I'd still like to know why his post #774 drew your attention only Today. I noticed it back then, and made a "don't like the ease and quickness with which he claimed to believe trentonlf and jumped on the HijacK wagon" note for future reference, but it's odd that you seem not to have noticed it and bring it up only now.

And if you are who you claim to be, and really want to help town, wouldn't it be a good idea to share any and all suspicions you had/have about players still alive?

The sample PM in the OP does make that highly unlikely, but I'm not sure how much I'd trust our moderator at this point. For now I'm working under the assumption that quotation marks mean unreliable, at least until something seems to disprove that.

I thought you weren't a pro ;)

And if you pay close attention I didn't intervene at all - I didn't answer questions not meant for me, I addressed something that stood out. No need to be sassy about it. Doesn't work as good when there isn't a good foundation for it.

Also, you took one post into consideration and entirely neglected the other 2 one (they were in uninterrupted sequence, the middle one wasn't related to the game, but they were short enough still) in which I said I read your post in a very bad way and I apologized for that.


I was referring to the suggestion of keeping trent alive one more night and lynch flub instead. Afterwards I corrected myself since this wasn't a suggestion at all.

As for what I think - so far there has been nothing to indicate that the non-quote flips are not reliable, but there is some speculation about the quoted ones. Therefore I prefer to assume the difference is what is out of the ordinary rather than vice versa. If I was forced to go with something crazy I'd rather disbelief all flips than read them in a reversed way.

I say again, RW seems to be very invested in the flavor and in the use of words as "definitely" and "maybe". How often do we get mods who go out of their way to make multiple clarifications about night actions after we start reading them wrong?

I agree with JMich......sort of.

I'm not suspicious of the moderator as much as I'm suspecting another role could be in play.


<burp>

And this.

Current votes:
trentonlf - JMich; flubbucket
JMich - trentonlf

Not voting: HypersomniacLive; dedoporno; cristigale

Majority has not been reached.

I assure you there's no resignation at all, I'm just tired of repeating the same things over and over and over

What does it matter why I chose Sage? I felt something was off about her so I investigated her. Just because you might have chosen someone else does not mean my decision was wrong or needs explaining.

I would say it's odd that you noticed it then yet didn't say anything but feel the fact that I point it out now is odd. Pot calling kettle black there.

I am who I claim to be, and I've already told you who I suspect. What part of "I would gladly lynch anyone besides flub" is not understandable?

Tuesday was a holiday in the U.S. I will answer questions in the morning.

Not in (forum) mafia, that's HijacK. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I can't be or aren't a pro in other fields. ;-)


I'm not being sassy at all; my comment was not meant in the way you mention. When there are questions out for someone, and you make comments that undermine the purpose and goal of them before said someone answers, you are intervening. You are welcome to comment on anything you want, but I'd have preferred you had waited to see if trentonlf answered, and what he answered, before commenting on anything that stood out to you.


Yeah, sorry about that. I made my post #861 without refreshing, so saw your follow up posts only after. I considered the matter closed, and had a short comment to say so in a separate tab, but was called away while finishing up the rest of my post #863, so hit the post button in somewhat of a hurry and realised I didn't include it only while closing my browser, but couldn't come back to it in a timely manner.


Yeah, no, that was definitely not a thought that crossed my mind, let alone a suggestion I'd consider making.


[emphasis added]

Where did the first bit I highlighted come from? And who said anything about reading them in reverse? That was a question very specifically addressed to JMich who first brought it up. My thought, as expressed to you in my post #857, was only about one or more of the alignments in quotation marks possibly, or even likely, being reliable.

Could you answer the 2nd question of my post #861?