Unless they are from different mafia teams and HijacK didn't know that yogs was scum too.

Possible. But RW's flavour around the flips doesn't make it look like that. The ones with quotation marks were the ones where the Elders were unsure and said "Hmmm, looks like..." or so. While the ones without quotation marks were the ones where the Elders used words like 'definitely...' So for now it looks to me as if yogs was genuine scum. drealmer and docbear were genuine neutral (and drealmer was a killer) while bookwyrm's and bler's alignment is unsure.
Of course it is possible that the Elders are wrong or are just there to mess with us. So yes, it is possible that the quotated flips are the real ones. But there is no way to solve that now. Not without the next night revealing more information. Be it from RW or from some sort of coroner checking one of the doubtful bodies or from some other balancing mechanic that RW may have included.

But in any case, if the not quotated flips are genuine, we already got one scum and two neutrals while losing at most two possible town. If it's the other way round, we got one neutral while losing one certain town and three possible ones. In the first case things look quite well for us. In the second one, not so much. Depending on how many neutrals or scum teams there are. I hope it's the first case and that the flips of doc, yogs and drealmer are the genuine ones.

Which one seems like the better choice to you?

Current votes:
HijacK - trentonlf; Lifthrasil
Lifthrasil - HijacK

Not voting: JMich; HypersomniacLive; dedoporno; Sage103082; cristigale; flubbucket

Majority has not been reached.

Let's set a preliminary deadline of Friday night Eastern Daylight time, subject to being pushed forward if conversation completely gets stifled or potentially pushed back with good reason.

Something just occurred to me.

I hope I catch Hijack online in the next couple of hours.

I'm looking at the last four posts as they all seem pertinent to my answer. We know there were three shots and one sword 'poke'. The shot on bler seems to implies a mafia hit. The other two shots are not as clear. I don't know if it means anything that none of our plot device victims were shot. I'm hoping that was purely flavor or else we've got crazy things going on here - their deaths all seem natural on the surface, so why are we here?

Between whether the quoted players are real alignments or vice versa. I agree with Lift that the unquoted alignments seem more likely (unless we're being messed with). Besides what Lift mention about the flavor, if the quoted players are actual alignments, where do you file drealmer? He killed with a sword but is not a neutral. I can't see that being mafia. It could be town, but it seems strange. The unquoted players being real alignments seems to make more sense.

If we take the provided information at face value:
-the unquoted players are actual alignments
-there are likely multiple mafia families
-the quoted players are likely not what they seem

Then my guess is:
Town - bler (why disguise a mafia as neutral?)
Neutral - drealmer, doc, possibly bookwyrm
Mafia - yogs, possibly bookwyrm

I've been sitting here trying to determine possible factions/sizes and finally decided to scrap it. Too many variables. I agree that we hopefully have a better understanding of what's what after another night.

Which leads me back to dedo's question, I think the better choice is to treat HijacK as scum and see where we are tomorrow. If HijacK is telling the truth, that sucks, he was dealt an very hard role.

A followup thought on this, I doubt I would be told if I was guarded.


I would like to echo this question.

Well, I'm here now. So shoot away.

Well, I missed you and I kind of wanted to have this in real-time but who knows if and when that will be possible. So let's just go.

If I'm not mistaken your claim is incomplete. Care to share the rest of it?

You are mistaken in this case. My claim is complete.

This might be a bit embarrassing for me then but I honestly didn't caught your name. [*Channeling Atlas*] Would you kindly remind me what it is?

First off, @Sage103082:

1. I hope you'll be back on your feet sooner than later.
2. Could you, please, make an effort to type in shorter sentences, and use punctuation and proper capitalisation when starting new sentences? It's taking me more than one read to make sure I follow what you're saying in your recent posts, and you've said more than a bit. Thanks.


I'm still undecided if I believe HijacK's claim, and I agree that he needs to be scrutinised. But some of the posts and arguments that were made since I last checked the game give me pause, and I'm not all that sure that we shouldn't be looking closer at other people Today.


If he's a protective role of the "takes a bullet" sort, like he soft-claimed since D1, he'd be dead anyway if somebody successfully attacked whomever he protected. Hence, he'd be lying on the floor in some room, along with the rest of the bodies, even if he didn't have a defensive kill.

Or am I not reading correctly how such protective roles work?


You mean like the Town Guard of Arsonist? Hmm... that wouldn't be all that of a bad idea if it weren't for "Neutral" bler144. How would he fit in?


[emphasis added]

In the post of yours that I quoted you said that you believe he was PGO, so I didn't take it as a mere guess on your part, and since it was in the post where you discussed the presentation of flips, I wondered if you saw a link there.

But Bookwyrm627 said that he wished his role was something as believable as PGO, which, if he was truthful, reads to me that he wasn't, or at least that he wasn't a mere regular PGO. Perhaps he was a variant of The Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Laser Beams Out Of Its Ass? Mostly joking, but who knows with RWarehall.


Here, maybe [url=http://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Category:Terminology]this[/url] will help.


The cockiness seems to have toned down, but I'm not sure how to read it.



Elite Bodyguard is not that unthinkable to have in a role-madness game hosted by RWarehall. Have you forgotten how adaliabboks begged you to claim "Lynchproof Bulettproof Governor" because he was an Absorber-variant in one of RWarehall's games?

As to if it'd be way overpowered, wouldn't that depend on what other roles are in play?


Does it really say that though? [emphasis added]: Perhaps it's just me (are you reading, Bookwyrm627? ;-P), but couldn't that bit mean that yogsloth was a hired gun for one of the Mafia families, instead of an actual member of said family? If so, then it would mean that his flip is not reliable. which brings me to JMich's post #690.



I actually toyed with this idea when, looking up things on MS, I stumbled on the Lawyer role which brought back to mind that adaliabooks was a former Divorce Attorney; I thought maybe that was a hint of some sort. And as the role is clearly labelled as anti-town, and adaliabooks flip is not in quotation marks, couldn't it indicate that his flip is not reliable? And if his isn't reliable, then the other similar ones aren't either?

However, something gave me pause, and that is that I've never seen a game where any players used as plot devices were presented as anything but Town, actual Town.

This is independent of the body count; I have to look into this.

*catch

ugh

Oh, that part. Yeah, I don't recall mentioning it. I didn't think it served any importance. It's Sonny Barger.

I've been hinting at a protective role quite hard. Closeness to former boss, mention of Bodyguard, denying active killing mechanism. They were all one after the other after yogy claimed.