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Yeah, no. I'm not going to address this again. Posts like this that still don't understand my issues with the timing of the claim are just a bullshit way of pushing a case and I'm entirely beyond justifying myself to people for that. I'll just keep a note of it in the back of my head next time one of you has IRL issues and demands time. I'll make sure to hound you for hypocrisy 24/7. If I ever play again, that is.

I wish I could relate, but I can't. Declarations of personal vendettas and aggressive statements that indicate an overlook of the game just to eliminate a certain player are an obvious underlying issue that impacts us beyond mere irks and bummers. It's also bullshit that I'm accused of exploiting the meta and coming up with excuses in order to enhance my game. I'm sorry, but I asked for a grace period for a legitimate reason and such horseshit won't be tolerated by me. If I have an issue with claiming because I think it will impact my exams, then one is simply an utter dick for utilizing my obligations against me and this type of behavior is another underlying issue that reflects poor sportsmanship and lack of respect towards the gameplay. I like to think nobody would abuse real life to benefit in the game. I have never even once in my life fathomed someone can be such a jerk to utilize real life as an excuse to push a train and a case. That's just horrendous and I'm appalled by it. As if we only had 48 hours in a day phase and I demanded to claim in the very last 6. Wow!

This is a good point, but at the same time if there are killers of different factions (supposedly at least), wouldn't there be a greater benefit from trying to target those people in order to maximize chances of survival? Just a thought.

I reckon everyone and their dog and mom want this when something happens. I don't see how my case is special.

Again, I recommend a re-read of my reasons. I don't think you get it, still. Even after I explained it too fucking much to care to explain it again. Instead, I'll just politely ask you to google ADHD, add one paper and 2 exams to the equation, the ambition to enter an ivy league school, and sleep deprivation and stress eating. See what you get and we'll see if sarcasm is warranted afterwards. I'm being sarcastic, it obviously won't be because it is a legitimate request to make and people who think otherwise are either low ballers or complete loonies.

I already claimed. What exactly are you talking about? I'm confused. Point me in the right direction. If you're waiting for me to share more, then all I can advise you is to keep waiting,

Yeah, discussions like those are indeed great. You know why? Because I learn something and the wolfies might not. Do you know who my lynch targets are? You guessed it! *ding* *ding* *ding*
It's the wolfies! Now color me intrigued, but what would be a better strategy of finding scum than scorched earth when you are pretty damn certain they are on your tail and they are chasing?

Because my grades and future > any nonsense someone might have with my request. I don't care if you had to be on hold because of me. I care to ace my exams and get that good scholarship money.

I'm a townie, thus by simple correlation if I am hurting, town is hurting.

Yes, that side is me, and you know why? Because I can't be sure you are town, I can't be sure dedo is town, and I am pretty damn suspicious of the fact trent and lift, the two "geniuses" who came up with this neo-meta time exploit, are not town. So color me intrigued, why should I raise up an issue when my attention has to be elsewhere? Just to be concrete, should I also add you to the pile of jerks that simply can't understand real life takes precedence? I don't mind ignoring you for the rest of the game either. I'm already pissed that this is still an ongoing issue.

Uhm, excuse me? I wrote my claim during the night phase and slightly edited it after I received my correction from RWare. The issue of the clothes came up during day 2. Don't you find it faulty when you correlate an issue that was just recently asked with something that was previously written?

Bet as much as you want, but after getting sleep deprived and not seeing my girl for some 4 days, you can also bet that I will prioritize my health and my girlfriend over finding a post. I'll still look it up. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

People have referred to the two death miller claims as millers since the claims happened. Get on with the program. You want it on record? Then here it is, I am a Death Miller. You want it in writing too?

Read the role claim again. The jacket is quite simply the flavor justification for being a death miller. You're trying to mix game mechanics with flavor mechanics and I find this beyond scummy.

Jesus, I don't want to talk about this anymore. I made a mistake and I didn't realize what was going on. Get over yourselves. Not only was I tired as shit too, I had other things to think about than just my claim. Sorry my confusion rocks your boat, but not really sorry to be honest.

Can I just WIFOM this as wild speculation with no basis on reality and facts? Thanks.

Yeah, and I wouldn't have done it if I was the only one. What exactly are you not understanding from the above quote that I didn't anticipate another Miller to exist? And what are you not understanding from the posts that follow it and explain that it would hurt town more later on if I had waited to claim? The explanations are there and I'm happy to give them again. However, it's "funny" how you dare to omit those posts in your quotes of me.

And how exactly wanting to stay alive a mafia indication, hmmmm? This whole ordeal with wanting to stay alive being a negative trait is ridiculous. It is the duty of town to stay alive and catch mafia. I'd say I fulfill my duty better than most in this scenario. Not only that, but people were giving Docbear shit for not trying to defend herself better and try to stay alive because apparently that's the townie thing to do, yet conveniently this doesn't apply to me, because I'm "too focused on myself". lol wut?

This post is simply ridiculous and I will not only ignore it, I will let you know that I am ignoring it because it's frankly nonsensical.

Uhm, no. What kind of things are you going to pull? The post you just quoted has me say in it I don't have the same exact powers. The hell?

*Facepalm*

Ok, I'm lumping you in the mafia pile. This charade has gone long enough.

Sage, I don't think you understand how this game works. Yes, I have the mechanics of a death miller included in my role. No, my role is not just death miller. My role is a death miller combined with elite bodyguard and the title for my role is not be "Death Miller Elite Bodyguard"
My role title is Muscle, and if I am investigated, I'm assuming that's what the result would be.

This is once again rubbish.

I can change my mind about how much it will benefit, no? But if I may, and I may indeed, I will point out that I didn't want to claim at all because I didn't think it would benefit town. I think it would only benefit you and your wolfie buddies, trent and lift.
The only people that would pull off irl commitments as scumminess cards must be desperate mafia. Did losing yog cause you that much grief?

Offended I restricted information from you? How dare I! Better not vote for all those people that haven't claimed yet, then.

I tackled this already. I'm not going to go over it. It's ridiculous we're still talking about it, lmao.

Good point. Thanks for answering.


I say let's test that. I strongly suspect that they won't. I think you will flip 'definitely Mafia' just like yogs. All this 'asking the mod for confirmation' is just for show anyhow. You know very well that no mod will give such a confirmation as it would be game breaking. Yet you ask for confirmation of something you just made up, just to give it an appearance of veracity. I know you would heavily attack anyone else for such a play and I'm not going to fall for it.


I think you should. Especially since she (re-)raises some good points. You are full of contradictions in your play and you're definitely playing in a way that is solely focused on your self-interest. Not on helping town. That is what a scum or neutral player would do. Not a townie.

...ah, upon refresh I see that you did tackle these. Good.

Yes. Anyone not you that you can cook up a halfway decent looking case against. Also you misspelled 'townies' in "and the townies might not"
Side note: I don't think there are any wolves in this game. I haven't seen anything hinting to that. Or do you have more information there? ;-)

And this is bullshit. You know that the big strength of town is, when they play as a team. You know that sometimes it is good to take one for the team. Sometimes a mis-lynch is the way to give hints to the rest of town about who the Mafia are. Yet you insist on playing this game as a solo game. You insist on withholding information until it is opportune to you to reveal it. As if you're the only person in your team that counts. Which is actually only true, if you are the only person in your team. Playing it solo and focused on self-interest like you do is a good indication that you actually have a solo role.


Too bad I wasn't around. I would have loved to bump you! ;-)


Something different: where the hell did cristi disappear to? One short line since Daystart isn't enough.
@mod: could you please give her a little prod and ask her to return to the game?

Hmmmm, after looking for that yog post, I see it's only me that brought up the clothes issue. Well, I stand corrected. But it doesn't change my opinion of the fact. The clothes that I brought up are the plot device for my flip. Take it for what it is.

Isn't it funny someone that flipped mafia said that? Bah.

I even tackled the issues of the flips here, and this is eons before.

Oh, wow, would you look at that? Another post in which I tackle role titles.

Is it just me, or is this "you never claimed miller" argument just sounds like a desperate stretch from the mafia to close a lynch on an easy target?

Wow, I even gave a warning that I will have a busy weekend with school related stuff. I gave a warning. And people have the audacity of bringing this shit up against me. That is some A class nonsense.

First things first:
-> Nobody is talking about Lift's tunnel vision and vote hopping anymore.
-> Nobody is talking about trent's weird arguments and obsession with drealmer and kill him.
-> Where exactly is cristi?
-> Why has Sage been breadcrumbing a case against me since Day 1 and no one bats an eye?
-> Why am I the only one interrogated? I gave my piece. Shouldn't you not engage in tunnel vision and actively scum hunt while the day light is still burning?
-> Why the hell don't you vote for me already if you're so smart and you think you got me figured out? I'm getting bored of this wild goose chase. Except trent and lift, of course. Because their justifications are totally cool and all. They make perfect sense and they have clearly pinpointed exactly what's wrong with my claim.
Why the hell are people hounding me and not hounding them for not doing anything?
Can't you see they barely say anything or do anything? They piggy back on this like it's Christmas morning in a 1980's family show.

I'm getting off. I'm too frustrated to give this anymore thought tonight. I see Lift answered. I'll just ignore that altogether. I have no wish to interact with him.

I try to be very careful and purposly abmbiguous when I speak about roles and mechanics.


I used quotation marks on my own "real"/"false" words to refer to what yog claimed so I can make my point in a clrearer way. You are asking me not to talk about roles and then you ask how I know what his real role was. You should be more careful with such line of questioning.


Second time you shake your finger at something I'm very obviously vague and ambiguous about. I'm starting to think that you are trying to sprinkle "How to be Town 101" types of comments here and there that have practically no merit other than cheap town cred (and it's very cheap, we no longer have new players in the game). I hope it's not that but I don't like it either way.


Hugs and kisses. I hope you feel a lot better very soon. :*


That's acceptable and possibly true, but you won't respect me if I don't make a mental note of it anyway :)


Where the hell is cristi?!

Vote Lift

It's hypocritical to say the strength of town is working as a team, but never take an active role in working with that team. Furthermore, the meta exploitation argument is outrageous, while the rest are just based in wild WIFOM speculation.
His lack of interaction with trent, the other like minded player that apparently follows the same trail as him, indicates that they may be buddies trying to not have cor relational posts.

Lastly, asking me to sacrifice myself since this mis-lynch will give town more information to find the scum is nuts given the amount of killings have happened so far. Let's assume you lynch me. 8 players left. Yog was mafia. 14 players total. 25% of 14 is roughly 3.5. Worst case scenario (possible, not likely due to neutrals) we round up to 4. I get mis-lynched. Town gets their coveted information that distinguishes Mafia from "Mafia".... but wait a minute? Given that drealmer was killed, and yogy's power didn't work for some reason, we still have 3 killings unaccounted for. 3 killings go through tonight. There are no mafia casualties. Guess who has majority next day? Yeah, there won't be another day for town. This might as well be a lynch or lose situation, so make up your mind carefully.

My bet for the remaining scum in worst case scenario are trent, lift, and sage. Best case with 3 of them remaining are the 2 former ones.

Votes away, ladies and gents.

*refreshes*

Don't be ridiculous! You're one of the players I respect the most. I wish I could be as mellow as you, but it took me enough months just to tone it down. It might take years and lots of practice for more improvement.

Correction: The best case scenario for scum numbers should be 2 remaining.

I have to start refreshing more often. I started my previous post, went to a metting, posted and suddenly 20 a whole bunch of big posts appeared out of nowhere...


Be honest here, if you were on the other side of your claim would you just buy it? The elephant is too big for the room. I know there are others who deserve some attention (maybe they'll get all of it Tomorrow if we are still around) but after all that happened (or didn't happen) I don't see a scenario where this is not the main act for Today.

As for why not voting already - I can't speak for others but I really want to see something from cristi, since she is the only one that may bring something which is not already on the table. She didn't participate properly yet Today, so she seems to be the only person who has potential of shifting the status quo in some way.

Other than that I just don't see a situation where you're not the lynch today. Sorry.


We can't know that it didn't work, though, since all evidence point to him laying. We can't be sure if he did what he said he would.


I'm not THAT old :D

Which of the two? They are kind of mutually exclusive. And I think my focus on you isn't tunnel vision for once. In your case it's justified suspicion and I would be a bad player to let go just because you get upset. You got upset in the past before, when you were caught at being suspicious. Actually you got upset a lot. It's kind of your thing. At the beginning you seemed different, but that was apparently an act.

Because you are by far the most suspicious player at the moment. If anyone else had made such a half-claim followed by a no-claim and then that claim, coupled with some of those bs arguments you would be hounding them as well. But you expect not to be pressured for acting suspicious ... exactly why? Because you are you and should be beyond all doubt? Sorry, but no. The game doesn't work that way.

And more BS from you. I said it before and I'll say it again: please try to read and to understand what you read before getting upset. I didn't ask you to sacrifice yourself. I contradicted your ridicolous absolute statement, that your wellbeing is the wellbeing of town. That statement is simply wrong and I substantiated that by the well known fact, that sometimes it is good to sacrifice oneself for town. I didn't say that this was necessarily one of those cases (I left that intentionally open) and I didn't ask you to sacrifice yourself. I just told and demonstrated you, that you are wrong and you, of course, took that as personal attack. That is so very you!

To be honest, if you were town, I would be very annoyed at your 'Only I are important' attitude. It is insulting to all the other townies. But I don't think you are town, so it is understandable that you are playing this solo.

Lastly, why should I discuss with trent? I agree with what he writes. He saw the same things I do and it wouldn't help in any way to bounce 'Yea! I agree' posts back and forth. I interact most with those I disagree with or where I see the need to discuss something. Currently that is you.

Yes, there are things off with some of the posts of other people too and it is something to keep in mind. But for now it is best to focus on the one player who is almost certainly scum or neutral. You.

Thanks. That was already the answer to the most important question you have been asked, but still I'm looking forward to your input once you are caught up. Nice that you are back.

Two things I want to hit right now.

I don't think this had been mentioned. At the start of D1, the only info we had on gog and adalia was that they were town (right?). We learned more information about them at the start of D2. I hope that is an indication that we will learn more about the real dead players at the start of each day.

I asked the mod if the quotes around book and bler's alignment were intentional. As anyone could ask the same question, I assume it's safe to share that the answer was affirmative. Originally, I had some idea about a link between the quoted players and the info we received about gog and adalia. But I think the more obvious answer is the prevailing theory - those without quotes are the actual alignments. Drealmer's flip and D2 flavor seem like a strong indication this is true. He used a sword (?) to kill and flipped neutral. So yogs is actual mafia.

I'm guessing that means that means Bookwyrm is not actually town and bler is not neutral. These probably are not a priority right now.

So, if yogs mafia, in order for HijacK to be town, mafia must have had some sort of N0 action or information that lead them to believe a Death Miller is in play. The chances of yogs randomly claiming Death Miller and a town player actually having that role is next to null.

My head says that HijacK is lying, my heart says he is telling the truth. If they are both mafia...ehhh...it's hard for me to believe they take that big of gambit...one that would almost certainly end in their lynch.

BTW: AtE is Appeal to Emotion

If you go back and read the Day 2 opening post it shows there are muliple Mafia families in play.

It doesn't. It says there are multiple mafia families in existence, but it doesn't explicitly state that there are multiple mafia families in play, without that meaning that there aren't of course.
Unless the quotation marks mean that, in which case it raises even more questions about the quotation marks on wyrm.
On the other hand, Wyrm is the only "Town", and the other Town were killed during Twilight. I'll say again that the quotation marks may signify a true result, while lack of them may signify a false result.