Too many killing roles. Makes me wonder how many of us are not killers.
Waiting for HijacK's claim, knowing how busy RL can get, I'm not willing to go after someone asking for RL time before said time has passed.
Curious as to how big of a bastard RWarehall is in this game.
Wondering why I agreed to sub.

Well, not much happened since yesterday. But I have one question:

Yes, obviously. We should wait for that claim. But what do you think about the fact that he makes us wait and his reasons for doing so. Does that look legit to you?

Because you're a nice person IRL?


cristi? I would like to see something more than that one line from you. The others are missing you too! ;-)

RL always takes priority. Always. So no matter what the excuse is, if one claims RL issues, I accept RL issues. I just think that no one should be claiming RL issues without having RL issues.

I thought I was a horrible human person, did that change? Or am I a nice horrible human person?

I agree to that. But I still think his evasiveness looks bad. Especially not if he has already written that claim, as he says. Then he could just have posted it here so that we can discuss it instead of having to wait. He posted a lot, just not the claim he promised in his very first post.

I think you're a horrible (arguably human) person in this game, especially as a mod (and as scum of course) but nice otherwise. ;-)

Excuse me, but do what? I believe I was clear it is a matter of attention, not of time. I don't have the time to be distracted. Typing is quite easy during breaks.

That was an indication that today is the day when I claim.

And this is exactly the type of tunnel vision I warned the fine folks here against engaging in repeatedly. If you remember, I tried to make a case of why seeing drealmer in a perpetually negative light will only create issues not only in one's game, but also within the community. However, I will be quite frank with all of you, the current state of the community is, in my humble opinion, deplorable. When players come up and state obvious personal vendettas against others, and this just gets overlooked like it's not something that negatively impacts the community or the game, I'm considering just quitting the sport.

The past doesn't prove anything. Sure, once upon a time I pulled off a few strings. Who hasn't though? Are you always going to policy lynch flub when he has a fishy claim just because most people bought into a ridiculous one at one point? Such mentality will only impede progress and prevent us not only from cooperating, but from actively winning.

You know, I was actually entertaining that thought now that I notice what people are talking about. I wasn't aware of it this morning, so this does shed some light, but also raise some questions. Why are there "Town" and "Neutral" alignments? And doesn't the former confirm Godfather-like roles?

I can paraphrase my PM as much as I want and give you all the details about it, but I can't just ask RW to come and confirm my claims. That would basically clear me as town. The sentence is pretty straightforward.

Professional Mafia Player Opinion.

My pleasure.

I did suggest that. However, I no longer believe that is the case. Given this latter detail, I'm not going to cover the rest of the theory.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems rather faulty to judge a claim based on claims from, metaphorically, eons ago. Sure, some people bought that lie and Scum won, but they should get over themselves at this point. As scum, most people will have to fake a claim at some point, unless of course they are mafia doctor. So it should come as no surprise that in role madness games in a community that is well known to have lots of creativity as far as roles go, judgement based on previous experience is a pit that prevents any decent critical thinking and analysis of the current game. Would you always hold it against flub for claiming Town Arsonist?

At first I thought we had at least 2 confirmed killers left. I'm inclined to believe drealmer and wyrm killed each other which leaves us with bler and yog. If the flavor is to be trusted it seems unlikely those two killed each other - one being shot at the back of his head. Yog said he will shoot at Hijack and I assigned Hijack being alive to the gimped kill power not going off properly but with the latest observations Yog might have lied about his target. If Yog killed bler who was shot in the back of his head (someone mentioned it was execution style which I agree with and makes sense in the context of mafioso hitman) we may only be left with yog's killer.

Anyway, we should assume there will be multiple killings again tonight and tread carefully. We may have protective roles, too but we can't count on that.

Thanks for the bump, dedo!

I never stated I can't explicitly kill. I left it ambiguous because I knew the "wolves" were hungry and ready to eat. I'm not about to give more ammunition to those I suspect as scum. That was my mindset then, and it is still my mindset now.

I hope that the realization you have answered your own question has struck you.

Can you rephrase this, please? I do not understand what your confusion is and truth be told, it confuses me too.

Again, I am not sure what you are talking about. You have the upper hand in this situation. But if I were to take a stab at it (I'm joking, calm down), I would guess that you are confused about the part where I got no confirmation whether my night action was effective. Now, as I have mentioned, I can't have RW just come here and confirm everything in my PM. That would literally break the game, thus your beliefs will have to remain like that. What you want to believe is up to you.

*Ahem* What? Why? Why would you ask this? What exactly is the conjecture in all of this? Also, I was never confused about my role. The PM was pretty straightforward. I have town's win condition, but I flip "Mafia". The flavor explanation was the former participation in a biker gang. and thus retaining the leather jacket of those old days.

Explanation for this was already given. Once again, I'm not about to give the "wolfies" ammo. Only a gullible townie would be that obtuse in thinking. Not only that, but if such a detail would have assured my lynch, with the information of today, Yogy could have escaped further questioning. You see, there is a discrepancy between what he flipped and what I would flip.

Again, I received no information, thus I do not know. I'm guessing I didn't, but I do not know that for a fact. Your beliefs, however, are your concern in this regard.

Can I just call WIFOM on this? This rhetoric is honestly getting old.

It does, and it will continue to do so. I am not the type to "spill the beans" on everything and leave everything exposed for the exploitation of wolfies. Whether you think this is a townie or anti-townie gameplay style... well, that's just you. I can't do nothing about that. Maybe experience will change your mindset, or maybe it won't. I'd rather not spend energy on that.

Uhm, I'm sorry for being a townie and engaging in conversation? Sure? I'm just kidding. No I'm not. I had already written my claim post during the night. I find it insulting that even though you think I am not town, you don't think I am capable of coming up with something unless I necessarily had more info. Please, I got more skills than that.

Because you are looking at it from a biased viewpoint. I was merely surprised I got not details on my night action. I wanted to know if there is a pattern to this.

I'll look for it later. Thought I recall clothing being discussed, albeit briefly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was me that even brought it up.

Not worth it anymore. I think he's town. The only one on my wagon and tail that is town so far.

Professional Mafia Player Opinion. PMPO for short.

Man, the longer your post stretches, the weaker the arguments get. I understand you're ready to vote and lynch me, you're making it awfully obvious, and I have to say it's making me sad because I think you're town, but boooooyyy. Did I or did I not say "may"? I thought it could be a possible explanation, otherwise I would expect some more flavor about it. I guess, in retrospect, I would expect some details in my PM about it, but I guess I was just too surprised about it. Alas, I haven't slept in about 36 hours, and this game of cat and mouse is getting tiring.

I haven't said it proves anything, of course it doesn't. But it calls for stronger mistrust. If someone managed to pull off something ridiculous once you can no longer give them the benefit of the doubt anymore without being extra careful. Once bitten, twice shy. Otherwise I might offend said player by believing they aren't capable of executing a such a play properly.

And yes, if flub claims he is the TOWN ARSONIST again - he dead.

Someone please explain to Lift what ADHD is. I don't think he understands it. Post #620 brick wall'd the discussion beyond repair. I'm bored beyond belief with repeating the same thing. Do people not use the anything for other things besides mafia? Like, you know, researching stuff?

Why, thank you, sir! I have in fact secured an A in Business Statistics, and my Marketing and Business Administration professor has been encouraging about securing an A in his class as well, however, paper and final exam grades are still pending, so fingers crossed!

With that being said, I think I am just about done with statistics for the rest of my life. Not for me. I could not seriously pursue such a field. It is something that I had to force myself through 6 weeks of hell with it.

First thing of note: I did in fact miss that, as I was just quickly scrolling through the thread in my break after 24 hours of being awake.
Second thing of note: Since when is lack of perfect play and being mistaken something that a townie would never do in their lives?

Unfortunately, that is simply how I play. I won't change, unless I deem it necessary, and I haven't deemed it necessary thus far, so all I can advise you, sir, is to get used to it. I'm no serious gambler. I do dabble with poker, but I never go all-in. For me, it's all about the strategy of quantifying the results of small bets and giveaway.

HE WAS FRAMED! IT WAS NOT DREALMER THAT KILLED BOOKSIE!

Chill, chill! I'm just joking.

.... I hate you all....

You should add, however, a disclaimer that says the aforementioned statement still holds true.

Quite possible. I don't really know how a 'gimped' ability works, but it either failed, or maybe he was redirected. Or he just lied and did some other shit since in his mind I would have probably still been an easy lynch on day 2. His claim that I would be a waste of a lynch is frankly insulting. My bouji butt is more valuable than that!

The flip as "Town" for once.

Who cares about him? He's dead! Let's make all of this about me, please.

I'm obviously joking.

You obviously could't stay away from all the drama, or me, for that reason.

Ok, ok. I'm done with the comedy for the night. I'll get back to serious business. I'm just ecstatic I'm done with 2 of my classes and I'ms tarting my third.

*reads after refresh*

Damn! Dedo back with the bump assist. He's on a roll. MVP right here.

Are you saying you are a good lynch then?

I went to weigh myself and realized I gained 5 pounds during finals week. Stress eating is the worst.

*refreshes*

Hmmmmmm.....

.....

..... Touche! .....

Oh, boy, you're going to hate my claim...

I think RW is a legit troll mod though.

Not for town, but I definitely have value. For someone that is scum, like yog seems to have been judging based on flip, I'm one important role, one important character, with one important outlook on things. This, and it would have given scum one easy day to breeze through and another night of killings. I bet they are hoping for non-gimped ones.

Anyway, on to the role claim:

Greetings, ladies and gentlemen! (or at least I'm assuming there's still more than one of each kind left)

I am here to come clean and have a nice debate with you regarding my role. :) As you may recall, I have claimed "Muscle" and heavily implied a defensive ability. That is mostly true, however, I have left one more detail around to give more indication. If you recall, I was asked to give examples of other roles that fit the "Muscle" ambiguous description. We all have a pretty standard schema for what an individual fitting the description of "Muscle" looks like, and that schema is mostly right. However, I do hope you have noticed that I mentioned both the Bodyguard and the Bomb. The reason for that is because I am a combination of them. Elite Bodyguard, to be more exact.
Let me give you the full rundown. I am a former Road Captain that also used to be the personal protection of my former boss, in addition of being his best friend. The gang got wiped out during one messy encounter with a rival gang, with my exception because I was busy on the toilet at my lady's place. Since I am old and remained gang-less (pls no porn jokes), I decided to rest for the rest of my days and make new friends since I lost them all. I retain the apparel from my old days with the gang, hence why I look as if I was mafia.

Yes, I am a gun owner. The reason for this is because one of my abilities involves a reactionary attribute.

I have 3 powers:

Number one: I detect and flip as "Mafia". The leather jacket and sunglasses make me look like legit mafia.

Number two: I can protect one individual per night, with the exception of myself, for every night until my protected friend is in danger and I shall sacrifice myself for them.

Number three: I take down with me whomever assaults my friends, as long as I am there to defend them.

Win condition is the standard town win condition.

Disclaimer: The reactionary ability does not function if someone targets me directly.

20 minutes in and no reactions.... not even from my fellow euro brethren.... Well, you know what? Next time I'll make sure to plan my claim after I finish the semester! I'm just kidding. But seriously, come up with something substantial to talk about, people. It's dry in here.

Also, am I the only one that remembers Lift's vote hopping like he was a bunny getting the hots?

How is this not perfectly clear? Aren't you supposed to be dead if your night action went off? What other information did you expect to get?

Went back to re-read and forgot to address this.

Please, I got this. No need to worry.

Post #639 needs a correction. It's "the internet" not "the anything" in the first paragraph.

Hmmmm....

I'll be damned....

How the hell haven't I figured this out by now?

*slaps forehead*

Ok, I think I'm out. Lack of sleep is obviously messing with me and I'm missing the point of basic concepts....