HypersomniacLive: I hope you realise that your arguments sound quite a bit as piggybacking on the ones yogsloth already made in his claim-post. Also, how that "I didn't think Yog's claim would work" could be read as "but since it did, I jumped in right behind him".
Perhaps, but it is what it is. I wouldn't have done it, but it seems I got somehow into this since at any later time it would have been worse.
HypersomniacLive: You are aware that it's not a fact for everyone else, yes?
Not at the moment, not. But end-game comes and everyone sees the results and it turns into fact. It turns into game design fact, if you may.
HypersomniacLive: Since I'm not familiar with bike gangs, what is that supposed to tell us? I did a search of "Road Captain" but I don't think I got any useful results.
I mean, I could just paraphrase the entire flavor text if you want me to. It may or may not give too much, so I'll just say that it reinforces the connotation of my role in regards to my flavor (the boss).
HypersomniacLive: At what point up to this post of yours did his play started being suspect?
Soon afterwards. The thing that struck me is the weird tunnel vision he got for easy targets, relative lack of contribution in other discussions, and easy pickings vote targets. This got solidified when he rush voted me just for the sake of accentuating a tense situation. Yeah, maybe he doesn't believe me. That's fine. But observational data, albeit anecdotal, shows that he plays differently, not just in situations like this, but overall. My list changed quite a bit since that post. It's like half a game ago, isn't it?
HypersomniacLive: Could you elaborate and point to what is suspect about it?
I tackled this in another reply above.
HypersomniacLive: I get that a true Miller claim comes with certain disadvantages, more so when it's a second Miller claim. But wouldn't the same arguments be made if it's a fake one in an attempt to persuade people it's a true one?
Perhaps, but at the same time this becomes a question of value. Think of it as an investment into stocks. What value can you gain? Is the risk worth it? And what is the rate of return? In this case you have to evaluate the fact that it's Day 1. How much information is known so far about the game. Whether there are lynch targets or not. And what makes this play viable. How likely do you think scum are to pull this play under such risk conditions? Is the rate of return worth the risk? One possible risk is losing not only a teammate, but one of your roles. Possible gain is some possible credence, at the risk of a later policy lynch. There are many factor's we're not looking at.
HypersomniacLive: Well... I don't get it.
HypersomniacLive: Could you elaborate in what way?
I already tackled it once. Why did he have to put the trent bit into his post? To me it looked like a cue to his teammate to establish some distancing. But of course, I'm under fire here, so I may be slightly biased, especially since I suspect lift and trent are w/w.
HypersomniacLive: Not sure I follow - the mod put two Millers in the game, so that the second one to claim gets screwed?
Possibly. It would be fun chaos.
HypersomniacLive: Is that what you're saying?
I don't think that's what RW was thinking when he put two (or possibly more?) in the game, but you have to agree that he entertained the idea of what would happen in case they claim.
HypersomniacLive: Do you think that the mod deliberately put town in a disadvantage before the game even started? To what end?
Here's where we diverge. I don't think he put town at a disadvantage necessarily. I believe everything was balanced to the best of RW's capabilities. I just think this hurdle for town will have to pay off somehow later. But how, I don't know.
HypersomniacLive: Well, you can't really fault people seeing it as piggybacking even at this point.
Perhaps. Or perhaps not. I will definitely call them out for hypocrisy if they dare claim they see the big picture.
HypersomniacLive: Just to avoid a misunderstanding - you didn't anticipate that another Miller is out there, that this other Miller would claim before you, or that another Miller existed and would claim before you? If it's the former, I don't quite see what the claim order has to do with anything. If any of the two latter ones, why would you think it less likely they claim before you?
I didn't anticipate another Miller existed in the game. Period. The fact that yog claimed put me at a disadvantage, the overall role and contributions that I had, have, and will have. More explanations have been given to Sage as to why I think this is the case.
HypersomniacLive: And this may well be a reason for scum-you (fake) claiming Miller this early. Not only to survive longer, but to also get people to read your actions in a more favourable way, even after you die.
I don't see it quite like that. The risk is too big and the rate of return is not significant. Read above for more clarification.
HypersomniacLive: The "I isolated" bit is not true at the time you made that post as the only other post you made between your initial claim (post #313) and that reply to Lifthrasil (post #340) is post #314 which is some unrelated comment to flubbucket.
The isolated part refers to my reply to Yogy and I did in fact isolate the mafia bit. I left the hitman part in the quote, however I corrected it that upon flip I would be muscle. I was unaware that there were no role flips until recently when you persisted on bringing it up. Hence why I made the role cop comment. Don't get hung on the fact that more information was collected in the meantime. I was unaware of certain things until recently and that changed my thinking of the game.
