Just a quick scan of the game since I have an early/long day today.



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Agreed.


The More You Know......................................./psa


Okay I have to split now or I'll be late. I want to comment more on these latest developments. I'llbebahck.

Wait what? Another vigilante? That's getting more unlikely by the minute. Does that 'that makes two of us' mean, that you claim to be miller too? Or just the hitman thing? The latter would imply that you can be cleared by a cop - unless that cop is naive.

I'm not sure how to read this. I find it unlikely that town has so many vigilantes. So I guess at least one of you is scum or neutral. Perhaps even both? Perhaps we have no regular scum but two (or more) SK instead? Who knows?

I don't know how to play this. In a normal play I would say, let's lynch one of the two claimed vigilantes. At least one of them will be a fraud and in any case it will take a kill out of the game, which at this stage of the game has a higher chance of hitting town than scum. ... But this isn't a normal game by a far shot.

Yogs already announced that he will kill a lurker if he makes it into the night and I must admit, I am OK with that. Especially with the extreme lurkiness of Gamma. Especially especially if what cristi discovered is true. If Gamma is quite active somewhere else but is willfully neglecting this game, we might as well remove her from it. Either by replacement or by letting yog do his STU thing. And yes, even if that term is disliked here, at a grand total of 2 posts, the last of which is from 4 days back, Gamma IS useless for this game!

So that raises the question: what to do about Hijack? So far I had him as neutral and even liked what I read from him. But this half claim really worries me. At the same time docbear really looks bad. Concerning HSL's observation that she sounds resigned, it also would be a possibility that that is because she is a loner (SK? Another killing role?) without backup of fellow scums and doesn't know how to play that. In any case, either scum resigned to being bussed or loner. One way or the other she looks like a good lynch for town. So without the claim mess, I would be switching my vote to her right now.

...which probably means I should remove it from HSL anyhow. I still have the feeling that he plays differently from other games. But currently that lone vote isn't going anywhere.

unvote HSL

But talking about Gamma, docbear and lurkers: what happened to drealmer? His last post is from 2 days back where he announced that he would get caught up with us on the next day and then be LIVE with us. ... But that didn't happen.

Finally a question to all: what do you think? Should we go for one of the two claimed killing roles to reduce the number of night-kills? Especially since at least one of them might be lying? Or do we go for the player that plays scummiest and buy the claims for now, until the slew of power roles hat a shot at them at night?

You missed some tricks.

1) Bah. I stand corrected. Brb, getting my memory checked. *Error. Memory clusters corrupted*

You wouldn't have gotten QA if I hadn't succumbed to paranoia based on a warning comment from the Mod. I'd have offered the NS a choice of either voting with us and winning, or voting with town and losing.

5) If she doesn't get her act together and start providing more than she has been, I plan to. PPE: Maybe. We seem to be in a target rich environment, as far as people I'd be willing to vote.

Can you provide a link (and maybe a short instruction list to get the results) as proof? Because I will conclude the boop out of this if it is true.

Yog gets a pass from me today, as I'm fully in support of his STU/STF plan. If the "correct" people do not end up dead, then we'll talk. A conversation can also happen if some other evidence arises.

That's an excellent question, actually. I thought he was just referring to the flip, but I'll back your question about the possible vig claim.

Decided to check in as I have some break time. And see a couple of things I can't say hat I like. Stumbling upon something that pissed me off quite a bit, doesn't help either.

I have to go back to working shortly, so I'll get the thing that pissed me off out of the way, and put my reply-notes to bler144's posts to use.


And besides lazy, you are also being pretty dickish, and ever so subtly manipulative at spinning that whole series of exchanges into something it clearly isn’t (look HijacK, more aggressiveness from me).

I don't feel like I'm getting heat for being asynchronous, and if you followed the exchanges as they developed you can clearly see it. I only briefly touched on this stating my personal preference. My point was about EOD, after RWarehall had announced the deadline, which led to some relevant discussion, and RWarehall announcing an alternative, on which I expressed my position.
But hey, you end up acknowledging that there was a point to that discussion, so you did follow it, yet chose to mock me about it anyway.

And it’s that acknowledgment that makes pulling certain parts of my posts out of context to softly make the "kinda a tell from you" point look even worse. It’s not so much that you try to make the point, as is the way you go about it - "too lazy to properly throw shade myself, but if anyone wants to do it (for me), I'll more than gladly take it". I guess that after having just made the “too much shade based on pretty much nothing” argument to Bookwyrm627, you couldn’t go the same route, eh?

So yeah, you're being dickish and taking things out of context to softly throw shade on me, and see if anyone follows, but thanks anyway, I guess. Make of it what you want.


And if anyone's around, I'd appreciate a bump as to not have to wait my 10 minutes.

Disclaimer: I had a lot of the replies to his bler144's posts typed out yesterday before yogsloth's claim.


Question is, does it turn out to be worth their while in the end?


I've asked him twice about that, and he seemingly just brushed it off.

Edit taking into account bler144's latest posts: But you seem not to read it the same way?


Quite true, but as you said, it's not necessarily always a case of "first claim: fake, counter-claim: true" in the clear-cut sense of the terms, and there are roles/abilities that can mess with the alignment flip. This is a role-madness game hosted by RWarehall. His game #30 was a role-madness game with some pretty wild mechanics in play. Who knows what he's come up with this time?

Edit taking into account latest developments: And RWarehall seems to not disappoint, whether the claims are all true or not.


What is a derp clear?

As for missing that detail, well, flubbucket once told me that reading is for suckers, and RWarehall that the sign-up thread is for just signing up, and that he looks for the relevant important stuff in the game-thread OP. Hmm... would/does the way he handles his own game here make him a bastard mod?

Edit taking into account latest developments: Based on the claims, the answer would seem to be "yes".


Colour me curious. Did you go back and look? Anything you'd like/can share? Or have you already touched on it, and I didn't make the connection?


Yes?


He thinks drealmer7/me are likely w/w, and the benefit is that not only did I draw this much attention to myself, but made sure to leave a clear long trail that leads straight to one of my scum-buddies. And I did all this single-handed, pooping on any strategy/plan we devised in scum-chat during Twilight. And on D1. Because that's damn brilliant scum-play. Obviously.

Did I leave anything out?


Not sure I follow - do you mean that your way of elaborating would reflect badly on you or dedoporno? Something else?


I already said that I don't see her trying to save herself and why if it's scum-docbear1975.

So her take on drealmer7/Lifthrasil as w/w could be throwing shade on one, and distancing from the other. It's not unthinkable from a scum-play PoV, I just don't know if she's actually capable of such a play, if scum.


Interaction is probably not the most fitting term, as in docbear1975's case there's been hardly any reciprocal action with anyone. I just found it noteworthy that from Lifthrasil's ISO and given his pet peeves, he looks like he's ignoring her all game long, apart from that post. When a number of us, made quite a few attempts at poking her and getting a reaction out of her.

And scum-Lifthrasil tends to ignore his buddies until it's been pointed out that he does it. Then he goes the "omg, I'm tunnelling too much, must look at more players" route, and usually ends up giving a read compliant with the, at the time, prevailing opinion. I could be tempted to say primarily with the opinion of the most town-read player, but I'm not sure at all about that, even meta-wise, and a bit too lazy to go check.


No, I wasn't in that game, and hardly followed it; too much to read for casually following along.

Anyway, thanks for this, I have to re-read her taking this into account.


Did I say I'd ask you many questions? I don't recall doing that. Can you point me to where I said so?

Sounds good. I can agree to that.

So HijacK remains to be discussed - and that discussion depends on his reply / clarification which I hope is to come.

Meanwhile, HSL does still sound more agressive than he used to. Even if he has now moved his main focus to bler for the moment.

But I still would like your reply to my question at the bottom of post 332, HSL (and everyone else). How do you think we should play this, with the two claims and more hints of crazy roles floating around?

Current votes:
drealmer7 - trentonlf; flubbucket
Lifthrasil - drealmer7
docbear1975 - yogsloth; dedoporno; bler144

Not voting: GammaEmerald; HypersomniacLive; HijacK; docbear1975; Sage103082; Bookwyrm627; cristigale; Lifthrasil

Majority has not been reached.

Gamma has been prodded. Contribute significantly to the game or be replaced or mod-killed (if the other players do not get to you first). Replacement will occur at the start of day 2, should that be necessary.

I'm not voting Yog Today. I want to see Hijack's clarification before deciding more about him.

At this point, I find I actually want to see what happens at the start of Day 2 more than I care about seeing any particular player lynched. Things are confused enough that I'm happy with "pick one and lets do it" on most players. I'd say random.org, but the test run rolled a 4 (which I pretty much expected, actually).

When trying to pick just one player, I've been waffling between Docbear (as the non-contributor that is currently going) and starting fresh on Gamma. Pending more from Docbear, I'll take either one of them.
Random.org indicates that between the two, I should

Vote Gamma

I apologize for my lengthy absence, and I’m not going to make any excuses. I’m coming in here cold for a quick hit while I have a few minutes, so I’m more than likely only going to address the last couple of days and nothing particularly current.

Oh, dear, it looks like my post from yesterday just ended up being a messy mass of quotes. Even with AF I was afraid I’d muck things up. It was an attempt to answer questions addressed to me. So, in danger of beating long dead horses:

No, dedo, I wouldn’t say I was ignoring the votes you and Yogs placed on me. I’m just not going to argue or defend my way out of them. I’m not going to make any excuses for my absence or lack of posts. Yogs feels he has laid out a case against me, and honestly my actions (or lack of action) hasn’t really done anything to refute it. Do I still think Drealmer and/or Lift are scum? Yes. Which one, well, at this point it’s a toss-up with a slight lean toward Drealmer. (Although Yogs claim also puts him near the top of my scum list).

@Lift, I realize how bad things look for me and how scummy it looks. But, I make no excuses. I am still puzzled over your exchange with Drealmer. It seemed overly aggressive and pointless. Almost like a contrived scum on scum sort of thing to distance yourselves from each other. At least that’s how it appeared to me.

@Bler, yes, I’ve resigned myself to my fate as a D1 lynch. Someone has to be lynched D1, so it might as well be me. I do find your theory that Lift and I are scumbuddies rather interesting. Alas, we are not. Oh, and my curiosity regarding trent and dedo’s exchange (don’t shoot us in the foot): it seemed almost as if they were signaling each other. But, I’m probably thinking more like Drealmer in stretching the rubber band of logic until it snaps. (Oh, by the way, if you’re using chrome and still having trouble installing AF, you may need to install tamper monkey first, even with BE).

Oh, yes. Yog’s claim. WTH?!? From what I’ve read on the mafia wiki, this is a pretty controversial and rarely used role. So, what it exactly means for this game, who knows.

My main suspect at the moment is Lift because I didn't really like how he handled his arguments with drealmer. They were very forced and unnatural. The points he made were weak. However, he backed down after HSL's more thorough explanation of why drealmer's sentence wasn't a flip, but I am not sure if that's a positive or a negative thing since he jumped around a bunch of times on different people.

Besides from that, I'm ok with voting for one of the MIA people, but uneasy. I used to say that I won't vote lurking just for lurking, but I'm of a different stance now. It's not just about the posting frequency, but also about the volume of words and content. We have at least one player that hasn't done zilch here, so there's a vote and some contribution that are stuck in abyss.

I'm not ok with lynching drealmer. I feel like all the arguments made against him have been really bad. Maybe they had some merit, but the way people came off about him really irks me.

I was suspicious of yogs at one point, but he's cleared for me. Probably the only one I fully trust is town. Besides flavor, his claim has just too many similarities to what I can see in my PM.

Funny you mention that, because flavor wise it is the leather jacket that makes me flip as "Mafia".

Who said anything about vigilante? I haven't even used that word anywhere in the game until now. I isolated the "flip 'Mafia'" for a good reason and that is because I am a Miller too. Whether I have the same power as yogy, I won't let you know just now. However, upon investigation I would most likely flip as "Muscle" given my role description and explanation given in PM.

Lift, you're really pulling in weird directions. Do you skim posts or do you read them? Those are some impressive mental gymnastics.

This blows me out of the water. What happened to you, HSL? Are you stressed irl? I can understand that.

That is very interesting. I am still OK with lynching drealmer. But he isn't my main target at the moment. With each passing day of absence, however, he is climbing the ladder.

That is even more interesting. Have a look at your own post #313 again. There you clearly reference yogs sentence 'and flip "Mafia hitman".' with 'Oh wow, that makes the two of us!
It doesn't take mental gymnasitics to conclude that you have a killing role too. That you try now to accuse me of mental gymnasitics for coming to that conclusion, tells a lot about you. Yes, you didn't use the word 'Vigilante', but a town aligned killing role IS a Vigilante. But of course you don't actually claim to be town. So if you are scum or neutral, the term Vigilante was obviously wrong and I apologize.

Sure, you go on to specify that you won't flip 'hitman' but 'muscle' but that still sounds like a killing role. Strongman, for example.

In any case your mental gymnastics of accusing me of mental gymnastics look quite scummy. Do you even read your own posts? Or do you just skim them?


vote HijacK


Side note: even though docbear sounds quite sincere in her apology and explanation, I would still be OK with lynching her. Scum could easily fake a post like that. But I would prefer to lynch HijacK or drealmer. HijacK just convinced me of his scumminess. A tag-along 'me too' claim. A second miller. First with the implication that he has a killing role too and then he acts as if catching that implication is scummy. I still think one of the two is lying and I think it is HijacK. So LAL.
drealmer looked scummy to start with and his disappearance doesn't do him favours. Scum with nothing left to say? HSL is also still on the table for me. Gamma would only be a fallback solution and I would leave that problem to yogs or the mod. Lynching yogs, however, is off the table for me for today.

I believe having the Millers (if they really are that) has to have some counter-play to prove them innocent or condemn them. Otherwise the game won't be just role-madness but also broken (probably, I can't even start to imagine in what other ways the envelope is being pushed). I, personally, prefer to stay where I am at the moment, since I believe it's among the better options unless something more important happens (if we eventually get close enough to actual lynch and docbear makes a claim we might have to reconsider, who knows what will happen). I'd also like to see what happens during the Night and get back to HijacK and Yog Tomorrow (if I'm still here, Flub!!) and continue from there.


@Yog, knowing what you know about yourself, how likely do you think Hijack's claim is?


@Trent, what's your take on the latest? I know you don't like the claims but now that they are made what do you think? Are you still sticking to the slip as the most viable way to go?


Are you going to forfeit your defense entirely?
If we get close to your lynch will you at least make your own claim which may or may not affect the lynch or will you just take it and leave us with whatever flips?


@Hijack, what were you planning to do if Yog didn't make that claim? He announced his play quite in advance and his starting posts kind of foreshadowed it. You, on the other hand, never even hinted about your situation (or at least I couldn't find something to that regard).

I'm curious, how were you planning to play this out?

I am rather annoyed that Hijack spout out what he did, it was unnecessary and I hope any more role claiming stops there. As to the claims I am leaning toward believing yog's (if he's lying it's one hell of a lie), but not sure yet how to take Hijack's claim. For now I have no interest in lynching either one of them.

I also have no interest in lynching docbear. As I said already I am giving her the benefit of the doubt for now as she's still new and seems like she's trying to figure out how to play still.

I am happy where my vote is for now on drealmer, but I also have no issue moving it to Gamma or Lift because as of right now they are my 3 main suspects.