/blush

Lol, well that post was like 99% for yogs. Whether anyone else wants to believe IDC.

Your next post looks like a response to Trent but pretty sure I said that. Agreed you didn't get into your reasons, but as I was side-eyeing the same 3 out of the gate and there wasn't all that much on the table I assumed we had similar reasons.

On the wolf thing, it's a habit picked up from observing/playing elsewhere. I mean, I suppose it's possible a werewolf choked someone to death with a bagel, but it's probably unlikely.

But as a practical matter, it makes for a couple conveniences - just as a personal matter I prefer the description of behavior as "wolfy" over "scummy" - it's both less potentially insulting and saves one character each time you type it!

And w/w or v/w or v/v all make for handy shorthand.

My top suspects are still drealmer and lift. Yogs is my neutral category

That's verrry roughly the same ballpark I'm coming from, though not the same trigger.

We're in the rare game where he doesn't rank on the "who will/would I dayvig D1!?" list. Not exactly a ringing town endorsement to town-read him all game long, but ...for now, he's a pass.




I'm not sure how the second point fits with the first. If you (and everyone else) expects him to explode at you with OMGUS, !scum-Drealmer is smart enough to know that too.

If your point was to bait him, that seems a bit...brief/surface... of a test, wouldn't you say?


lol

Huh.

Other than the vote itself, the post is mostly a broad, leading question that might've warranted a simple "no." Doesn't seem like meaningful pressure to me.

Hadn't really looked closely at that sequence on first pass, but Drealmer's response calling Lift "OZS" is about Lift's case on yogs, and after Lift votes Drealmer with a really soft vote.

Interesting.

Had an extra tag in the first attempt to post.

While I don't think it's a good case, the number of people who seem to think it IS a valid D1 case is at least likely to be >N(scum), or at least N(scum) likely to all pile or even push on a wagon early.

I'm agnostic on Trent specifically but IIRC this is the line of attack that tends to spiral your predicament.

And who knows, perhaps he thinks it's b)s and he's baiting.

Not a good argument either, fwiw.



Care to elaborate? We've seen "female dog/perhaps I am as such" here enough times, I'm a bit skeptical he has a tell to a surface question like "are you scum?" that will give him away.

What in the HOW would have been telling, exactly?

Agree.

Fair enough. Think I noted to dedo it was mostly for yogs' consideration anyway.

Am being 100% honest when I say I made zero preparation for this game, so you're giving me way too much credit here.

Appreciate the good wishes. Have avoided checking my work email this weekend just so I don't have to think about it til tomorrow. ;)

So, 3.5 hours later: Unvote Bookwyrm.

I started catching up from the beginning, since I was barely into Page 4 anyway. Did anyone else notice this? HSL, what IS the proper format for a Dayvig?

Bit of a squinty face for the bolded part.

Drealmer, what is your opinion of Gamma's play so far?

The thought doesn't and wouldn't have bothered me at all. If I'd been around, I might have started that wagon myself.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not scum this time around. However, I'm happy to be entertained, but in English so I don't have to run to a translator every time I want to read your posts.

Someone get this man a link!

Inspector Clouseau was a character in the Pink Panther (one of them, at least; I've only seen one).

Read it however you like. May I suggest with a glass of wine? Just for now, you understand.

Not enough there to form any sort of respectable opinion as of your post here. Will revisit this question after I've finished the rest of the thread.

PPE:
-Cristi has been absent. Nothing to read.
-Not sure what to make of Dedo yet. I'm curious about his foot shooting abilities.
-Docbear needs to read faster if she wants to have any chance of staying current on the thread.

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_49_retirement_isnt_so_peaceful/post162
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_49_retirement_isnt_so_peaceful/post199

This just feels like a glom onto something that might move. Looks like HSL said something similar in Post 144.

What are you trying to say here? Google Translate called it Greek, but I didn't get anything intelligible. The suggested alternative said something about WIDEWATER.

Where's JMich when you need him?

(Go away Sage! That was going to be my joke!)

Now that is an interesting statement.

Just tried. They said your account is overdrawn.

Can you try repeating this for me, please? I don't think I understood whatever you were trying to convey.

You'd be what, the 5th or 6th person to that party?

That's another interesting statement.

No, but that sentence structure is pretty awful.

This typo is hilarious, considering she was planning to attend a family wedding.

You seem bound and determined to make me eat my words about your interpretations. You've already seasoned them nicely, so why don't I go ahead and do that now? *om nom nom*

Ooo, ooo! Pick me, pick me! Is it her status light!? Her status light is off, right?

PPE: Oh. Darn.

Lets try this as an experiment: when someone says something you were thinking, then quote the section that says what you were thinking (and just that section, for length and directness) and say that you agree.

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General thoughts:
HSL starts with an analysis post

Bler starts strong.

Hijack P43 -> has a defense of Drealmer. Rest of his posting = Hmm.

Docbear, 51 -> Head is already spinning? Not much happened yet.

Lift is a little more aggressive than I'd expect. I'm right there with him about lurkers, though; I complained about it more than a little in last game's chat.

trent is feeling pretty clean right now.

Sage's posting bothers me.

Most of the time, no. Though if you're into the psychology thing, there is a line of research suggesting you can intentionally nourish the biochemical reactions we perceive as love to keep it going.

But, and not to be a downer, finding intimacy is much easier than maintaining it through years of stress/fatigue/boredom/temptation.

So are ya playing or what?

Hi Sage, have you met Drealmer? He's this guy who started playing around the time you left who gets really defensive and accuses everyone of being scum out to get him in a way that tends to hasten his lynch.

He gave Trent scum points too, if it makes you happy.

Also, while I agree we need to be careful not to insult, the literal Latin interpretation of the phrase isn't how most people use it. Admittedly they use it to imply repetition to the point of boredom, which is still kinda insulting. But not as insulting as those Roman jerks.

Just don't look up the etymology of hysteria. Albeit that was the Greeks.

Oh hey, there you are. This is only Gamma's 2nd game here, I believe. Most of their games together were off-site, so I can't imagine anyone besides them can vouch for it.

I'm not sure which to be more confused by - your insistence that your scatter-shot voting is creating meaningful pressure as it bounces around a game that takes 8 votes for maj, or the epidemic of non-voting that seems to have overtaken almost everyone else for reasons I can't fathom.

Why have you voted more times than everyone else combined?
(perhaps hyperbole, I haven't fact-checked)

Why do you think the field, conversely, is so slow to vote?

Myself included, certainly, though I actually wrote up a vote Friday before signing off and decided to wait until I was back. Expect I'll vote once I catch up.

Bummer.

The game? Yeah. The dating scene? No. I'm in a committed relationship.

Well, I never saw that question as a slip, but eventually I figured out why many were confused by it, or so I think. Maybe I'm still wrong. Hopefully this can put people's minds at rest, regardless of the correct way to read the question. :)

I'm of opinion that people jumped on drealmer way too hard and that created a tunnel vision up until the point his statements were easily misread just to point out at something. It happened to me at one point. I was the Day 1 lynch in the high school game and it was mostly due to a similar attitude that drealmer has.

Realistically it would take major gonads-of-either-gender to fake a counter-claim on D1. If there were no alignment flips it's worth it, but if you counter-claim and that person flips town Day-freaking-1, you're probably in trouble sooner rather than later.

Possible Drealmer is thinking specifically of the smurf game where he himself got away with a fake claim (for one night, anyway) only b/c Brasas didn't have time to call him out.

That said, I'm more reminded of the first dungeon game where both RW and I were town role cops. One of many ways whoever that mod was threw town a curve.


Not going for a derp clear, but I responded to that post and still missed that detail. Got too excited about making culturally relevant jokes from 2010.

Need to go back and look at something in that light.


Don't suppose you could link the two posts in question? I'm not caught up enough to go back to research anything yet, and since this is your thought and not mine, it'll be out of my mind as soon as I hit post if I don't make you do it.

Also, give your cat some love and attention.

I had a cat once that peed on my computer screen when I didn't give her what she wanted. Hopefully yours doesn't go that far. Typing is cute; spray, not so much.


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I didn't, but then I was pretty much on record as saying I wasn't seeing it before I left.

And I didn't come back until after you'd posted anyway. ;)

I could be wrong, but at least as I observed it there was a string of games that the way he used to approach the game was kinda spun against him.

Do rescind my prior comment though, asking if you are actually playing. Whoops!

mmmm and/or hmmm.

based on what, exactly?

Elaborate. What specifically about it, iyo, is curious?

Is dedo's statement itself more curious, or trent's response? Is that !town-trent doing his thing, or !scum-trent mailing in his standard response channel?

You think !scum-HSL sells out to lynch you D1 when Drealmer is already multi-voted? What in heavens is the upside for him in that scenario? If !town-you flips, he's drawn attention he didn't need (investigatory or otherwise); if you don't get lynched, he's got your attention for what benefit?

I would agree your post is not a compelling prompt for flub to vote the way !scum-Lift might want.

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Spent half the evening cooking (even made some Bulgarian food - though technically the Hungarian version) and not sure I'm caught up and well past my self-imposed clock-out time so I can keep the game as just a game, and I think I lost focus half an hour ago.

Few final notes:
Going to sit on my vote after all. If I were voting right now it would probably be Lift, but something odd is happening here, and I changed my mind more than once while catching up, and even then most posts only got the once-over.

Not opposed to a doc vote, however...this feels eerily town-in-Maine familiar. Drealmer, what are your thoughts on Doc?

I see that train going all the way to claim, for better or worse, and ultimately living or dying on the strength of that claim in more ways than one. If !town-doc, I don't know what this wagon gives us precisely b/c it would be very easy to vote one's way onto.

Dedo's statement about his vote is intriguing as an argument to push that along anyway, however. Tempting.

Could elaborate, but not sure how to do so without it coming across (personally) badly.

Oddly, I think yogs is town but don't agree with many of his analytical points - though not 100% sure he believes his own case either. POE, certainly. Still think Drealmer is town.

Not sure on HSL but agree with much. He's moved fairly securely over to the safe side of the D1 ledger.

I assume RW has some concept for dealing with Gamma's extended absence. Will leave that alone.

Brain long-since shut off. I gotta not do these late nights.

Wedding stuff is done. I thought I could catch up tonight but it's not happening. Will properly catch up after some shut-eye. Oh the days when you could party all night and still function the next day.

I'm a couple pages back. I did see bookwyrm's question on why my vote is still on HijacK. At the time, I was phone posting and didn't see any rush in removing it. We are in real game mode now so:

Unvote Hijack

I see. What do you think about Gamma then? And cristi?


Right. Are they suspect enough to act upon it? If yes who would be the priority pick and why?
As for my other question regarding yog's vote (and now mine) on you - do you intend to keep ignoring them?

For the benefit to move me into focus instead of drealmer. Granted, that only makes sense if drealmer/HSL are a team. I see that definitely as a possibility. As HSL already suspected I would.


But one point HSL made actually is true: I am way too focused on way too few players. Currently HSL. Before that drealmer. I tend to focus on the noisiest player and only if someone drops out for an extended period I notice that (s)he is gone. So, time to try to look at other players than HSL. I still think HSL looks scummy, but there are bound to be more scum.

HSL suggests to look at docbear and yes, there actually isn't much there to look at. Especially after the announcement in #175 that there were some interesting points - which then never got delivered. Apart from finding me and drealmer's exchange contrieved, there's just the statement that most thoughts have already been said by others. Which is a convenient way of not showing anything of oneself. "Oh yea, I had some really good thoughts. But all of them have already been said by others" - without specifying which those thoughts were. Not helpful.
The only 'own' thought is, the question whether that 'don't shoot us in the foot' sentence is curious. But I don't agree to that. I read that as a townie advising some other player not to do anything rash that might damage us. I.e. town. But maybe I'm biased, because so far I read dedo as quite towny (and trent as neutral-leaning-town). So yes, docbear goes into the suspect pool.

yogs, however, actually moved out of it. Yes, he posted an uncommented vote, but elaborated on it later and isn't as useless at all as he announced he would be initially.

flubb I can't read. He looks quite flubby - nothing alignment indicative yet.

Sage: looks genuinely invested. We know, however, that she is totally capable of fooling almost everyone. Several players hat her and cristi as the towniest players in the last game ... So, she's someone to keep an eye on, but I won't be voting her today. But I do want to read more from her cat. Cats are smart and probably he has figured everything out by now!

Bookwyrm. Didn't start the game with a soft-claim for once! :-D Not sure what that means though. His absence didn't help either, but at least he self-voted to reprimand himself. Nice gesture, not alignment indicative though. Neutral for now.

Gamma: a grand total of 2 posts. One of which is an excuse for not appearing earlier, citing computer problems. The second post contains ... nothing relevant, actually. And that was 3 days ago. Scum points for massive lurking. Especially assuming that the 'Had' in 'Had some computer problems' meant that these problems were fixed. So what is the reason for lurking this time?

cristi: lurking too. But at least she announced it beforehand and gave some reason. But in what she wrote there isn't much substance so far. But I do share her suprise that trent didn't react to yogs announcement of an intended role claim. Shouldn't that be a red flag for you, trent?

bler: well, there is lots to read but I don't find anything that looks like a slip. Seems invested too, but that alone isn't alignment indicative. So, just like Sage, neutral for now.

In conclusion: at the current state of things I could see myself voting for HSL (duh), drealmer, Gamma and docbear.