I definitely see the "taking it easy" part, but can you point me to where you've done the "ask more questions" to help solve the game? Also, I see that dedoporno beat me to it and already asked you for your reads/observations.


I think that Bookwyrm627 needs to include both HijacK and Lifthrasil to the non-native English speakers that read the posts of native English speakers in a head-scratching way. That, or something else may be going on here. More so regarding Hijack since he's studying in the US for a couple of years now, i.e. I expect him to have a better understanding and command of the language.

GammaEmerald and drealmer7 have been together in about ten games. Out of those, only two were hosted here - game #46 where they were both town, and game #48 where the former was town and the latter scum. No idea about the rest, but I don't quite see why he'd lie about them having been scum-buddies before; one could find out rather easily, anyway.

Also, out of those ten games, GammaEmerald was scum in only one of them, according to drealmer7's memory. A game where drealmer7 was town.

drealmer7 poses the question if he's ever going to be scum again in a game where they both play.

I read that as drealmer7 implying that he himself is town this game (what else would he say?), so couldn't possibly know GammaEmerald's alignment. Hence why I took it as LAMIST at first parse. And his clarifications seem more supportive to this read than him slipping or being caught in a lie to cover his initial slip.

Now, whether he's truthful about his own alignment or not is another matter, but are the latest points raised really an "interesting catch"?

drealmer7 is guilty of a number of things in his play, but in this particular instance, it looks to me more like somebody trying a tad too hard with that FoS, even after he clarified his phrasing/syntax. Or somebody is not paying close enough attention. Or is it pretending not to pay close enough attention?


Side note: Thanks RWarehall for the clarification. I intentionally refrained from mentioning any roles/abilities that may affect the vote count as it's not a stated game mechanic, and didn't want to start/get into a discussion/speculations on roles.

I don't want to either. I'm thinking about how to approach it Today even though maybe it's better left for Tomorrow. I'll think about it some more...

Certainly a lampshade on myself.

It will take me several hours, between family and amount of material, but I'm going to catch up today. So, it will be "soon", for sufficiently large definitions of "soon".

Matter of fact, Unvote and Vote Bookwyrm, until I'm caught up.

Why did you expect Trent to comment?

A cover for subtly testing the waters if you could get a wagon rolling on GammaEmerald? I don't know if there are any other ways left to say that it could make sense in context with your GammaEmerald comment.

On a side note, we're taking about you, not just "anyone". Taking things out of context, and generalising them, to make a counter-argument doesn't really do you any favours.


No. If I though that you made an innocent statement I wouldn't be questioning you. I already explained that that statement was not made in a vacuum, and how it can be read in context with your comment about GammaEmerald. That you insist on not being able to see this, is playing a tad too innocent or even dumb, for my liking and the level of player you are.


Kind of sounds like you're saying that the only thing I've questioned about you is that, which is simply not true.

I didn't say that it is outright scummy, in and of itself. I said that it's eyebrow raising when read in a certain context. And I can see that angle. While you claim that you can't. It is your reaction that gives me a scum vibe more than anything else - you're not simply replying and explaining yourself, you're downplaying the fact that I may read something unfavourable for you into it arguing "look people, these are such ridiculous arguments that town-HypersomniacLive would never ever entertain them, thus he may well be scum attempting to frame poor town-me".


I'm not sure if with "he posted it first" you're referring to drealmer7's original post #94 or trentonlf's post #103. If the former, why would you have to immediately have voted drealmer7? If you thought that something was off with that bit, you could have questioned him or commented on it, just like Sage103082 did, especially since you were already addressing that post of his. But you didn't. You placed a vote on him using trentonlf's argument quite later, and only after it became a discussion topic. That's why it looks like you were looking for a reason to vote drealmer7, but didn't want to stick out as the first to start the wagon on him. Now, where have I seen you do this before...?


Wait. Are you really saying that yogsloth dropped his Chinese stunt and started contributing because of the "pressure" of your single lonely vote on him? If so, it's pretty amusing. What is less amusing is the thought that you may be scum and have used this tactic to lead yogsloth to town-read you, given that something similar worked out that way in game #47.


Really? Funny how one could read your post #143 as an encouragement to him to do just that. If that was distancing, or luring a townie is to be seen.

*waits for Lifthrasil to say that it was a general (innocent?) statement*



It's D1 in a role-madness setup; no risking of potentially putting us in a disadvantage.

Hey! You're here. Are we getting those interesting points now?

Because I loathe any talking about a role they have or PM info on Day 1, and really anytime after that except in certain circumstances.

Imagine you're a new player that has never played with this bunch. What do you do?

Lift still doesn't get the confusion around drealmer's question. Perhaps that is on purpose, perhaps not, but it is eyebrow raising. Yog may have found coincidental evidence on him from the past, but that's debatable. He's in the dirty pile right now.

drealmer may be scum, but the "slip" people point at is incredibly weak. It doesn't hold enough water for it to be a legitimate concern. However, I do find him suspicious for the way he reacts to the questioning. It's not the defensiveness. But the lack of pointing at any others besides Lift. Maybe I'm just different, but unless I gather more information to refute this assumption, I always look for the number of scum that fit 25% of the playerbase rounded to a whole number. His stance seems to be myopic on one player. It's usually scum that always focus on one target at a time. Alas, correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption. Dirty pile.

No stance on the current lurkers: cristi and booksie.

Flub leans town.
Yogs leans town.
Trent is neutral to slightly town
Sage is neutral to slightly town.
You are leaning slightly town based on post comp, but that's just a feeling, obviously.
The rest are pure neutrals.

These reads are purely based on the way I like what they posted and how much they posted. Unless I gave more detail as to why I believe what I believe, put all the reads down as educated guess.

I think one of them is scum.

So, back to this.

In game #46, Lifthrasil kept going back and forth with his read on drealmer7 all game long in a manner that felt to me early on as him testing the waters to see how easily and quickly he could get drealmer7 mislynched. He made sure that we don't forget about drealmer7 and his anti-town play-style, and used every opportunity to point a FoS at drealmer7, with arguments targeting drealmer7's play-style and personality aspects spilling into it and the game. That, of course, got drealmer7 to react accordingly, making things more personal, and allowing scum-Lifthrasil to keep the constant distraction alive. drealmer7 eventually stopped engaging anyone in the game, but that didn't stop Lifthrasil, it just made it a tad harder for him.

He did quite some of this testing the waters, with drealmer7 and others too, while making sure not to push too hard as to not be the first one to get his hands dirty if the response from others was not warm enough. And every time someone pointed out a flaw in his arguments, argued in a way that made (more) sense to the other players, or pressured him a bit about it, he backed off resorting to some argument that allowed him to do what others would expect of town-Lifthrasil. Which looked, and proved, to be simply trying to be as amicable as possible to avoid a lynch.

There was also this newly found self-awareness of his tunnelling issue, and a reminder at every opportunity of how he's trying to improve on this.

I see these elements here too, just a tad more refined, which was expected, I suppose. There's one thing that throws me off a bit, and that's drealmer7 being more tempered in his reactions. Could be that anger-free he mentioned in the sign-up thread. Could be scum-drealmer7 luring town-Lifthrasil into this endless noisy debate, though a tell I have on him hasn't manifested itself (and no, drealmer7, I won't say what it is).

As said, I fear that some confirmation bias is spilling into my read, as there's one case I can think of that may explain Lifthrasil's behaviour, at least to a reasonable extend. I also acknowledge that it's D1, and perhaps I should have laid back and see how things play out going into D2 to get a better picture and avoid alarming him prematurely.

I'm also undecided on HijacK's post #185, as I could read it as scum-him subtly luring town-Lifthrasil back into the whole drealmer7 thing.


On a side, but related, note, I can't help but notice that every player who's been absent for a somewhat extended period shows up and goes straight to that "slip" from drealmer7. Makes me wonder how much the "drealmer7 is sorta Day 1 lunch menu at all times" is being exploited. And I can see it being exploited both ways.

He asked for a suggestion of how to go about my idea. I gave it to him. I utilize the same strategy, but play differently. I observe more. Unless no one asked a question, I will ask it, but because I'm away a lot with school and girlfriend, I mostly observe. :) Don't think that just because what I suggested to dedo I think it is the only valid way of playing this, especially without embracing the lens of a previous experience. You'd embrace foolishness to think me a fool.

Such aggressiveness.... And unwarranted one. At the risk of sounding like a hypocrite, I don't like you. I prefer the HSL of old times.
And thank you very much, but I understood drealmer's question the first time. I only later figured out why people are confused about him. You see, it looked basic the first time I read it, just like it does now. Drealmer inquired whether gamma will be scum in a game that he is playing in as well. He did not ask if they are going to be scum together. I got that the first time, but I don't think you carefully read my post, which makes me raise an eyebrow since you're someone that is supposed to be thorough. (behavior observation)

*reads after replied with the above paragraph*
Thanks, I just wanted to make sure if drealmer indeed formulated that correctly, or through an grammatical error committed a lie. You'd be surprised how little English people in the US know. You seem to think native speakers don't make mistakes or are educated enough to to make mistakes. A cute assumption. I had the highest grades in my high school English classes and I was a fresh "off the boat" foreigner. The district was supposed to be pretty good too. But it may have been just a bad sample. Who knows? Keep your sass to yourself, sir.

Who is your biggest concern, and why?



*pokes with the sharp end of the stick*

That's all very nice, but how about sharing your thoughts/observations/reads, and contribute to solving the game?


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