Welcome Forum Mafia #46: Henchmen Hijinks!

After years of being misunderstood and pigeon-holed, the henchman (or woman or other) of many an evil mastermind said “Enough is enough”. We are tired of being judged based on our size, race, hairstyle and dentures. We are complex beings. Most people never see the real us; they see only a caricature performing the bidding of a megalomaniac bent on world domination. We demand respect, we demand equality, we demand to be recognized for more than our outer shell. We are breaking free from the heavy yoke of our employers. We are creating an organization to support stereotyped henchpeople everywhere, to renounce our affiliation with evil and to reintegrate into society. We hereby pledge allegiance to SHUFUR: Stereotyped Henchpeople Unite For Universal Reintegration (shoo-foo-er). The founding members include:

Odd Job
Mr. Wint
Mr. Kidd
Tee Hee Johnson
Baron Samedi
Jaws
Nick Nack
Gobinda
May Day

When SPECTRE learned of the rebellion, they assigned two double agents to infiltrate the group and destroy it. Two of the founding members of SHUFUR are traitors – content to remain ever faithful to their employer.

MI6 also learned of this development. They have assigned James Bond to help you dispose of the riff raff. Reintegration requires leaving your murderous way behind. Identify a traitor and Mr. Bond will ensure they never darken the doors of SHUFUR again. MI6 insists you must weed out the vermin yourselves - 007 is only licensed to kill, not to facilitate group therapy. As a group, you decide on a traitor. Mr. Bond will take care of the rest.

Please note: The flavor is simply that, flavor. The henchman role you receive has no bearing on your alignment. And Mr. Bond is purely a plot device.

RULES

1. Have fun!
2. No cryptoclaiming.
3. No betting among players.
4. The moderator of this game is me, cristigale. Should you need to contact me, you can reach me through the chat system of this forum.
4a. Assistant moderator of this game is Bookwyrm627.
5. All players have a vote, which they may place upon any player. A vote may be withdrawn by unvoting. Once a player has more than 50% of the votes, that player will be lynched. No amount of unvoting can prevent a lynch from occurring once a majority is reached. If you don't unvote, only the latest vote will count.
6. A player may also vote nolynch. A majority of nolynch votes will end the lynch phase without a lynch.
7. Please remember to bold your votes and unvotes like this: Unvote Sparkly Fountain, vote Rusty Horseshoe.
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13. Game Days will last 10 days and nights 48 hours. If two weekends fall with the 10 days, each weekend will count as a single day.
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Game Setup

There are 7 Vanilla Townies and 2 Mafia Goons
Mafia have day chat.
Scum will kill every night. (This is the difference between the 8&9 player version)

During pregame, all players must submit two scum team picks they do not want to occur (i.e. these two players will not to be together as the scum team)

You cannot include yourself.
You cannot include the same player in two picks.

Correct:
Player A picks:
- Player B + Player C
- Player D + Player E

Wrong:
Player A picks:
- Player A + Player B (you cannot pick yourself)
- Player C + Player B (you cannot include the same player in both picks)

Players
1. gogtrial34987
2. drealmer7
3. trentonlf
4. Hunter65536
5. GammaEmerald
6. adaliabooks
7. RWarehall
8. Lifthrasil
9. HypersomniacLive

Sample Town PM:
Welcome, X. You are Vanilla Town.

You can vote during the day.
You win when both scum are dead.

Sample Scum PM:

Welcome, X. You are Mafia Goon.

Your partner is Y, you can communicate with him/her anytime here.
Each night you must submit a single kill.

You win when mafia controls 50% of the vote or nothing can stop that from occurring.


Credit to Creature on mafiascum.net for the original game design

Game State: End of Day 3 Game Over - Town Wins

Alive Players
1. brasas (replaced gogtrial34987)
2. drealmer7
3. adaliabooks
4. HypersomniacLive

Dead Players
1. Hunter65536 - lynched Day 1 - Vanilla Town, (a.k.a Mr. Kidd)
2. JMich (replaced GammaEmerald) - killed Night 1 - Vanilla Town, (a.k.a. Tee Hee)
3. Lifthrasil - lynched Day 2 - Mafia Goon, (a.k.a. Baron Samedi)
4. RWarehall - killed Night 2 - Vanilla Town, (a.k.a. Oddjob)
5. trentonlf - - lynched Day 3 - Mafia Goon, (a.k.a. Nick Nack)

BOOP YEAH I GET TO BE JAMES BOND!

MOD KILLS FOR EVERYONE!

Day 1 has dawned. You may now post. Your goal: find the scum that have infiltrated SHUFUR.

With 9 alive it take 5 to lynch.

Deadline: Wednesday, March 15 at 4:00 PM EST, 9:00 PM GMT


Oh, and beware of Bookwy...err...Bond..he's lethal.

I'm going to say Jaws because you talk too much ;-)

Now where's that bone for the dog....

Hey everyone, I'm baaaccck!

So, this may get me lynched, but what the hell.

Do we share our picks or not?

I can't really see any reason not to... so I think the best bet is for us all to get our picks our in the open ASAP? No?

did you look at the game on MS at all?

I am a bit wary of going that route because it is a slippery slope and the game then becomes about figuring out a puzzle rather than straight scum-hunting, but it may very well be anti-town to not share them and I won't fight doing that if that is what we decide ultimately (I'm not actually sure if it is or not, I didn't analyze the MS game to that degree myself)

and I always think there is going to be some way for scum to WIFOM and manipulate the interpretation

1.) both scum can lie about their picks
2.) one scum can lie about their picks
3.) they can both tell the truth

this gives 4 options to be fucked with (1+1 scum switch of who would lie) in the first place and things we have to start to consider and just brings in doubts

AND

plus, I'm thinking maybe even if we knew #3 would happen and we had everything charted out and whittled down, how many options would it leave us with? probably not enough to really do any good for actually deciding who is scum and could just be a huge distraction

Isn't WIFOM-ing and manipulating what scum do with various degrees of success?

What makes you think that the options will probably not be enough?

*did drealmer7 roll scum?*

I agree with drealmer for the most part (it hurts me to say that). But, I can also see the benefit of knowing picks because it can reveal who is lying down the road. So I say if you want to reveal your picks go right ahead, I don't think it will have a major impact on the game either way.

1.) yes of course but do we need to give them material to WIFOM and manipulate like a grid of scumpicks?? I'm not so sure, I think I might be better to not is all

2.) because even if we got it down to "okay 1 of these 3 scumteams are the only possibilities to be the scumteam" - we still have to analyze the 3 teams and by the time we get there, it could be a bunch of wasted time built on a bunch of crap that makes more WIFOM to sort through than is good, PLUS, we never know if scum lie or not, seems like it could be pointless distraction more likely

3.) noop!

On my phone, can't do replies properly.

@drealmer, I read the first few posts to see what the twist was, couldn't be bothered to follow beyond that.

The point isn't to find possible scum teams, there are too many permutations for that, it is to eliminate them.
How many times do you play or watch a game and think "I bet those two are scum together, they really seem to be coordinating". With the picks revealed we can know for sure which pairs can't be scum.

I really can't see how scum can bluff to their advantage, or how town can bluff to theirs by holding back the picks.
The worst scum can do is lie about their pick, but they can't claim themselves so they could only clear their buddy, which is pointless as they would only be clearing them from being in a team with someone who they are not in a team with anyway.

Jaws is a great analogy for me actually!!!

but but but

Jaws doesn't talk!!!!!!

he is the underspoken, misunderstood, romantic at heart who doesn't know what to do with all the frustrations he has built up inside!

but he would have been my 3rd choice, not 1st or 2nd (: