Aha! But I was about to post another 24 page novel!

Not really, I'm (hopefully) pretty much done for the day unless there is a new development.

Go ahead; after all, drealmer7's request was specifically about novellas, and novellas only.

Here's a (free) novel ;)

One of my favourites actually, the novel is far better then any of the adaptions have ever been.

Sorry peeps, turns out I'm way more tired than I thought - dozed off while reading and trying to check back, so all I have now is a few notes and half responses to a couple of posts. So, instead of trying to patch up what I have so far, I'll do the sensible thing and go to bed now for some proper zzzz's, and will continue where I left off, and make a decent post or two tomorrow. Note, though, that it won't be before (my) late afternoon as I have family things to attend to earlier in the day.

It seems the game thread has all but died today. I will be around this weekend, but not sure how active I'll be. I'm fighting a chest cold at the moment and am sleeping a lot. Seems we are still waiting to hear more from drealmer and gogtrial, hopefully they make an appearance soon. Going to take some more medicine and get some more sleep.

End of day, March 24

Votecount
adaliabooks (3): drealmer7, trentonlf, Lifthrasil
trent (2): adaliabooks, HypersomiacLive
Lifthrasil (1): RWarehall

Not Voting: gogtrial34987

adaliabooks is closest to lynch at L-1

And it's scummy from drealmer too. You know, you could check what I wrote before you make accusations. Then you would, perhaps, notice that I have drealmer as scum candidate too. And the two lurkers who died on Day 1 were quite suspicious too. I don't think town should lurk. It always hurts town and anyone knows that. It's just too easy for scum to hide in lurkiness. And just as you said that you don't want to lose to drealmer with his attitude, I don't want to lose to lurking scum. I think it's just a mean, un-social way to play. But it's convenient for scum it alway is one scum-tell. If you actually make the effort to check back, you will notice that it is never the sole reason to actually lynch someone for me. But it adds to an overall scummy impression, if someone lurks his way through the game.

OK. Now I have to ask this: have you EVER played a game with me? That's what I have been accused of often. Tunneling, latching on and not letting go and so on. I try to reduce it, but if I have a theory, which I believe to be good, I try to present it in a convincing way. That's the point. Anyone know that a theory is just a theory and that town can never be totally sure - but writing that in every post is really unneccessary and becomes tedious. And yes, I do doubt my reads. Which you would also know if you had bothered to actually read what I wrote so far.

This, however, is finally a good advice. I suggest you follow it yourself and anyhow, everyone should do that on his main suspect.

But you know, I still think that the 'scum' theory fits better, when re-reading you. You just went along and made up some accusations that you should know better. It looks as if you are just trying to find anything which you can turn into accusations. Perhaps because adalia is at L-1? Do you feel the pressure and want to save your scum-buddy in a non-conspicous way by presenting alternatives? Re-read yourself and you'll see, that the theory of you and adalia being a scum-pair doesn't look improbable at all. Even adalia himself agreed, that the two of you kind of look like a pair (of course just to say that it isn't so and that it just looks that way).


To all: it's weekend. So I'll be gone for today again and will be in late tomorrow.

I'm working all weekend as usual but I should be around if necessary.

I really don't know what more to say, you've all said pretty much everything.

I find myself thinking things as I catch up and then someone else has already talked about it or pointed it out and there's been back and forth on it.

Seriously, this game is more active than games are typically here and it's been hard for me to be involved because of this. I think it is because half of you live at your computers whereas typically there's more balance between those who live with their computers and those who only play a couple hours in a day.

I kind of feel like you're all beating 5 different dead horses and you all just need to make a decision so we can move forward.

I'm sure I haven't addressed things that ppl have presented to me.

I'm not a scumlurker, I'm simply a demoralized towny who doesn't want to cause bad energy or fights (I never want to.) I feel like I am constantly trying to not allow these things to happen and no matter how I approach or what I do blah stuff happens (and I think it comes down to just repeatedly being misunderstood and then ppl finding every single little thing they can to give them a reason not to listen to a single thing I say) when I try to really engage with mafia with some of you.

My views really haven't changed all that much from the start of the Day, if anything RW has gotten more townpings and reduced his scumness and with that everything else has adjusted accordingly, but I realize I could just be wrong.

Adalia + Lift sounds like a probable scumteam definitely. It's been covered ad-nauseum on individual levels I don't feel like repeating stuff.

Gogtrial is still putting me off by his lack of analytical posts, definitely seems to be playing it safe with his posts rather than blasting away like he did in previous games. It's suspicious but not damning.

Again, trent seems like he could be just telling everyone what they want to hear, and while that conceptually is scummy, the way he says each of the things feels town to me. And then I go 'well it's trent that probably means I should reverse my read to scum." - but I have a hard time doing that still, regardless of my history of accuracy with him. I'd really prefer you all to judge that and take that into account and use it to help the read on trent if you think there's something to it, because it just puts me at a loss.

Funny how you claim your m.o. is tunneling yet I've just watched you jump your vote around. I notice how you don't even try to address anything I actually said, for example about the way you seem to be turning people's reads leaning others as town into some sort of mystifying scum tell. Or how you aren't even trying to see how town might be honestly reading others as town.

Nope. Instead you insist this is somehow your style and has been your style all along. I don't buy it. I've seen much more even analysis from you in other games. This game, you seem hellbent on misleading people. Just like the Adalia and me thing. We are somehow a scum team because we are town reading each other? Really? Because in my experience, that is not how this game works at all. Scum distance from each other and especially in a game with no investigators, the last thing I expect is two people going down as a team.

But this is the narrative you have been pushing all game. You keep bringing it up and now you claim "See it's a thing" claiming that somehow gives it legs.

It seems very fake to me. You manufactured it, and this last post trying to justify it, just proves it to me. Heck, if you are so certain we are a team, the game is easy. You get lynched, you flip town, town wins when they lynch the both of us, right? What do you have to be worried about?

But what you are really doing trying to get us to LyLo. Even if you become the next lynch, you are banking on us not figuring out your partner.

First off - @trentonlf, sorry to hear you're sick, hope you're already feeling better, and will be back on your feet sooner than later.


A general note, in case anyone put a question-mark there - regarding gogtrial34987 and the N1 NK in my post #526, there's a "if they are town" missing at the end of "I do think the latter played a role in why gogtrial34987 was not the NK choice".


In case it wasn't clear earlier - while I didn't mention you at all, I also haven't ruled you out either, as you could be scum with just about everybody but me.


Although I already said it, I will repeat it just to be absolutely clear - my take on trentonlf is not based in connection to drealmer7, so do take that into account when you check.


I"m in agreement with trentonlf - it depends on the situation and the comfort levels of each player. Regarding trentonlf's possible scum-partners, well, you are one of them, and none of us has any reference as to what you'd do. So, I can't help but wonder what the actual motivation and goal of this question may be...


Incidentally, that "tomorrow" you mentioned in your post #508 has passed, yet all we got from you is more questions of what others think about one thing or another. You said you'll be busy with a computer upgrade this weekend, but I hoped for some actual chiming in; not posting at all isn't exactly "my posting might be scarcer than I'd like:.



OK.

You may argue that you didn't overplay your surprise, but that doesn't necessarily equal the way it came across for at least some of us.


My comment about you using your night-vig on N1 was not specifically in reference to drealmer7. You've said in a previous game, that you'd have no issue using your night-vig on N1, and I think you'd actually do it, as either alignment.


More beating of dead horses to come.

Thanks Hyper, I am feeling better today just very tired.

I understand what you are saying, and seeing as there is no way to accurately articulate feelings and tone in a post then it is up to each individual to interpret it for themselves. All I can tell you is I was very surprised Hunter did not flip scum, and the only reason I even mentioned it was because adalia had stated he was not overly surprised that Hunter flipped scum.

You are absolutely correct, if I had a Night Vig (or even a Day Vig) I would not hesitate using it Day/Night 1. Alignment would have no bearing either, although not sure I would have that ability if I were scum since I don't see scum ever having a Vig ability except maybe in a bastard game.

Sorry, was interrupted and had to address family things.


Do I think you're the one with double standards? No, I think you're another one.

I called out adaliabooks for that post shortly after he made it, and long before you commented on anything. In fact, you even devoted a paragraph to my action in that very same post (#410), so don't try to spin this as if I were trying to excuse him while pointing a finger at trentonlf or you.

Yes, we lynched Hunter65536 because he acted in a scummy way after RWarehall drew attention to him, but at the same time we weren't exactly 100% sure he was scum, were we now? As I already said, the way things played out D1, there really wasn't any need to express surprise, let alone big surprise.

They both overplayed that, imo. The degree they did differs, but I'm looking a bit past the impression of the first/surface look of things; there's the quantitative aspect, but also the qualitative one. adaliabooks often says things not well thought out, and more often words his posts in ways that get him in trouble, as either alignment. trentonlf, even as town, is usually pretty moderate in the way he expresses himself (serves him well when he's scum). The point/purpose of trentonlf's post was to call out adaliabooks for his. With him having maintained a pretty tempered way of expressing himself up until he addressed adaliabooks love story (he went back to that tempered level right after), what would have stood out more? adaliabooks' post, which had already gotten my attention, or trentonlf's reaction to it had he not retained his usual moderate tone and phrasing?

But since you chose to base your argument on words and expressions used, following up on what you said in your post #510, I will remind you that adaliabooks' "very" in caps, you point out here, isn't even about Hunter65536's flip. In your post #410 you could see that just fine, and found his surprise only "a bit" exaggerated after agreeing with him. Using this bit and turning it around now makes your whole argument superficial, if not scummy, and your posts #510 and #531 read to me like you were desperately looking for a reason to re-vote adaliabooks and put him at L-1 (post #510) as soon as you checked in the next day.

As for your conclusion - funny how you were town-reading me when you weren't in the spotlight, and as soon as I point out something about you I must be scum with adaliabooks, or have been thoroughly misled by him; I'm not surprised by the former, pretty much expected it, but thanks for thinking me incapable of doing my own scum-hunting and thinking in case I'm not his scum-buddy are in order, I guess.


I'm not all that sure about adaliabooks, nor is it really suddenly, but at this point, he looks and feels more townie than you.

I try to see a bit past the surface, and try to read motivation and emotion behind what I'm looking at/into. You asked us to reread adaliabooks; I have, more than once. You agreed that RWarehall gave some good advice with his "go back and re-read Lift twice. Once looking at him as scum. Once looking at him as town". Did you do the same with adaliabooks? And you as town, looking at him as town, all you could find is condemning proof? This reminds me a bit of how drealmer7 read trentonlf in game #40 when asked to, but in place of the aggressive and sarcastic tone I see more selective and calculated approach, instead of paranoid town, I see more scum who has no reason to look into things deeper than what is required to sway a couple of opinions and votes.

That last question of yours? Do I really need to tell you that adaliabooks is not the only other player in this game besides me, and that I factor in my view of things and the game what others say and do, and the way they interact and react? it's like you're asking me to consider you as a static element of the game, and retain any early, non-incriminating impression of you, but apply the exact opposite to adaliabooks. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.

Do you remember what my second comment to you in my post #432 was?

Well, I'll get to that in a later post, hopefully tonight, as tomorrow may turn out to be of very limited time for me. For now, I'll wrap this up by saying that I agree with you that adaliabooks' script is indeed helpful; I've used it on you too, and more than once. I've been watching you, as I've been watching everyone, and have used the script on everyone at least once so far.

If it weren't for my own view on Lifthrasil, I'd be pretty inclined to say that it's rather convenient for you to give this advice right when your top scum-pick is someone the grid excludes you from being their partner. You do know that if Lifthrasil gets lynched and flips town, you're back into the suspect pool, yes? And before you jump on me for any of this, a later post will make things clear(er) as to my view and stand at the moment.


I think I don't need to tell you that this serves for some pretty good WIFOM, yes?


Is there anything specific about trentonlf that you find on the town side? If yes, could you elaborate on it?


No problem with being blunt, I see issues of varying degrees with everyone else too, and trying to do the same.

That bit about me and the NK, for example. I could easily read it as: On the one hand it bothers you that I was not NK-ed N1, as that's what you'd do (implied), on the other you can see at least one reason scum wouldn't NK me... you do see that, for me, perhaps others too, the next logical step in this is why should I accept what you said about scum-others and at the same time exclude scum-you from making the same decision for some other reason, yes?


Just to make absolutely sure - you chose to present the greatest of your worries about them as examples, so you do have others, just not of the same level. Is this correct? Do the things you mentioned exhaust your greatest worries about gogtrial34987, or is there more you'd rather not share?



Dos this mean that you'll stick with your vote on adaliabooks, no matter what, or that you'd be willing to switch to Lifthrasil if needed?