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drealmer7: ummm, I can't see how we can't not lynch adalia now, and I also don't understand how HSL justifies that as a town-move or why he'd speak for him as it being such, though, I think maybe I have memory of townadalia voting himself before, but I'm not sure? but even so, he should not do that if town, it's still only a scum move and I don't think he'd do it again if he did it before

also thinking more about it, I'm not sure town him is as enthusiastic at this point, making so many meaty posts trying out so many avenues of thought / presenting angles of possibility, thinking more enthusiastic scum

unvote RWarehall

vote adaliabooks
BING BING BING

Look at scum hopping aboard the wagon :)
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gogtrial34987: Nice play.

Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't follow up on this offer?
You do know they're (trent and drealmer) waiting for you to jump aboard the wagon so trent can casually hammer (probably claiming it was a mistake and he didn't realise you had voted)?
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trentonlf: Yes I did just copy and paste what I said to gogtrial day 1

Post 109, I agreed with his thoughts in this post and felt he was making solid reads as town and pushing gamma to engage.

Post 129 I also liked this post, again pushing gamma and giving solid reasons why. *I must note that in this post he clears drealmer for being just drealmer and has you as solid town, but now that gamma is off the table he finds drealmer to be scummy and you to be casting shade, he gives his reasons for his change in stance in post 426 (I can agree with his reasoning about drealmer, but not about you)

Post 261 and Post 263 I liked his reads on gamma and Hunter and felt he was doing his best to try and find scum and gave solid reasons why he thought gamma and Hunter were scum.

I don't find any other posts after 263 that he discusses anyone being off other than drealmer and you, and I did agree with RW on day 1 about gamma and Hunter, I felt we had nailed scum with either one and was surprised to see Hunter flip town and gamma be the NK. [...]
For his post #251 you actually linked to his post #426, hmm... some sort of Freudian slip?

Do you think that the way he went about drawing attention to Hunter65536 here, was the best way to do it? I seem to remember that you were, or came, online shortly after, and didn't question him, nor did you comment on anything related until Hunter65536 responded the way he did.

Moving on to D2 - do you find the level of his engagement for D2 is consistent with town-RWarehall? Especially when taking into account something he said himself:
Future days, I have more information to work with, be it voting patterns, suspicion proclivities and revealed results.
I also see that you too refer to the N1 NK as being that of GammaEmerald. Do you think that the fact he was replaced by JMich played no role?


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trentonlf: [...] @Hyper, how is this a town play from adalia??
I didn't say it's town play. I said its town-adaliabooks. They're not the same thing.



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Lifthrasil: [...] trent citing RW as his top-town choice looks very strange and would put trent in the suspicion pool - if he could be scum with RW, which he can't. [...].
Not the only reason to put him n the suspects pool.


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Lifthrasil: [...] Meanwhile a question to HSL: you were the one to bring the argument that lynching RW is better than lynching adalia. However, you're not voting (neither am I, I know, and you're Mr. Reluctant Voter). So, would you be willing to lynch RW? Would he be your top lynch choice or who is that and why? You ask this question of others, so I think it's time that you answer it yourself.
I'm still very much in the middle of my scum-hunting, so the best answer I can give you is - not right now; goes to both lynching RWarehall and having him as my top lynch choice.



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adaliabooks: [...] He has been trying to get drealmer lynched since yesterday, [...]
Has he really? Like really really been trying to get drealmer7 lynched? Could you do a reread on him, and point out the specific posts where he's been doing this?


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adaliabooks: [...] I'm not playing scums game, I'm really not. I'm literally so sure I'm right I'm willing to die for it.
But you are. Even if you're town, there are enough townies willing to vote/lynch you right now for this (and I can't fault them), that scum won't even have to be on your wagon.

At this point, willing to die for what you believe may well lose us the game; it's one thing for us to mislynch because we're misguided, and another to consciously throw our lynch away.
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HypersomniacLive: But you are. Even if you're town, there are enough townies willing to vote/lynch you right now for this (and I can't fault them), that scum won't even have to be on your wagon.

At this point, willing to die for what you believe may well lose us the game; it's one thing for us to mislynch because we're misguided, and another to consciously throw our lynch away.
I'm not.
Lift wants me dead, sure. But he obviously wants RWarehall dead too, yet hasn't voted him yet because he wants to give him a chance. Not the actions of someone really determined to push any lynch to achieve victory.
You clearly aren't interested in my lynch (yet).
gogtrial has had his chance, and hasn't voted yet. He wants a consensus too, not to just rush it.
RWarehall is hardly likely to vote me if I'm strongly town to him (though my last few posts may have changed that admittedly) and if he does you'll know I'm probably wrong and he is scum after all.

So that only leaves trent and drealmer. drealmer has already taken his chance and leapt on, trent has paved the way to join the wagon but will probably wait to hammer so he doesn't put a townie off joining the wagon.

But I believe lynching RWarehall will do the same. What difference does it make which townie we lynch to lose the game?

I'll come back to the question about Lift.
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adaliabooks: You do know they're (trent and drealmer) waiting for you to jump aboard the wagon so trent can casually hammer (probably claiming it was a mistake and he didn't realise you had voted)?
You make me shake my head in wonder, I can't decide if you are truly a misguided townie or brazen scum. I totally think you are scum, but I also see how you are setting me up so that no matter how I react to what you are doing I look bad. I vote you then it's because I'm scum looking for an easy lynch, I don't vote you then it's because I'm scum who didn't want to jump on your wagon because of what you said.

Nice play to make me look bad on your part. If you are town and we lynch you for doing this and I end up being the lynch tomorrow because of your pushing to make me look bad then guess what happens, town loses.

I'm not voting you for the moment because there needs to be more discussion on this before we do anything, but I have no issue voting you either because I already had you as scum before this act you are doing now.
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adaliabooks: [...] What difference does it make which townie we lynch to lose the game? [...]
Difference being that we may not lynch town Today after all?



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trentonlf: You make me shake my head [...] before we do anything, [...]
Until we do something, can I expect answers to my questions while you shake your head?
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HypersomniacLive: Has he really? Like really really been trying to get drealmer7 lynched? Could you do a reread on him, and point out the specific posts where he's been doing this?
Here you go, he has not at any point said 'Let's all kill drealmer! Lynch him, lynch him!" but he has gone far and above any required effort of distancing, and even been quite personal in parts (which he himself admitted) which is again not what I would count as scum on scum conversation.

Lift's very first post in the game is a vote for drealmer, see he started early! (this is a joke, I know it's RVS)

Lift actually properly votes drealmer, having already spoken about various things he finds scummy about him but not being sure whether it's just drealmer being drealmer.

Proper full on argument starts

Withdraws his vote on drealmer, but still suspicous

Still names drealmer as his top pick

[url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_46_henchmen_hijinks/post238]arguing

Unvotes drealmer (again) but goes on at length as to why he finds him scummy

More argument

Doesn't like drealmer's kill anyone attitude
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gogtrial34987: That's a pretty defeatist attitude. You never know when scum will make the one mistake you need to crack the case.
What do you think?
Have they cracked?
;)

unvote adaliabooks [\b]

I'm off to bed, try not to lynch a townie while I sleep.
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HypersomniacLive: For his post #251 you actually linked to his post #426, hmm... some sort of Freudian slip?

Do you think that the way he went about drawing attention to Hunter65536 here, was the best way to do it? I seem to remember that you were, or came, online shortly after, and didn't question him, nor did you comment on anything related until Hunter65536 responded the way he did.

Moving on to D2 - do you find the level of his engagement for D2 is consistent with town-RWarehall? Especially when taking into account something he said himself: I also see that you too refer to the N1 NK as being that of GammaEmerald. Do you think that the fact he was replaced by JMich played no role?


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Sorry I totally missed these questions.

1. I am not sure how I messed up the link in that post

2. When RW made that post Hunter was not really on my radar, he had not done anything up to that point that made me raise my eyebrows or give me pause to wonder exactly what he was doing. It was the way Hunter responded to pressure being put on him that did make me raise my eyebrows and give me pause to wonder why he reacted that way.

3. I would have to say RW's play day 2 has not been what I expect from town RW because of his laser focus on drealmer, but I have been taking it as RW really believes drealmer is scum and that's who he thinks we should lynch today. I hope we do get more from him today than just being focused on dreamer.

4. When the day started and I saw gamme/JMich was the NK I was scratching my head as to why. Gamma was on most everyone's list of top suspect and I'm not sure what JMich could have done to remove that doubt. I could see it being possible that whoever is scum did not want JMich's analytical mind in the game and killed gamma/JMich so JMich could not come in. If that is the case it would lead me to believe that whoever is scum is very familiar with how JMich plays and felt it was best to remove him before he had a chance to be a factor.
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adaliabooks: Here you go, he has not at any point said 'Let's all kill drealmer! Lynch him, lynch him!" but he has gone far and above any required effort of distancing, and even been quite personal in parts (which he himself admitted) which is again not what I would count as scum on scum conversation.

Lift's very first post in the game is a vote for drealmer, see he started early! (this is a joke, I know it's RVS)

Lift actually properly votes drealmer, having already spoken about various things he finds scummy about him but not being sure whether it's just drealmer being drealmer.

Proper full on argument starts

Withdraws his vote on drealmer, but still suspicous

Still names drealmer as his top pick

[url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_46_henchmen_hijinks/post238]arguing

Unvotes drealmer (again) but goes on at length as to why he finds him scummy

More argument

Doesn't like drealmer's kill anyone attitude
Thanks, I will go through them, and do my own reread as well. For now, two things:

- You missed this post where he dropped him to "only be the fall-back solution' status.

- Why does it have to be "scum on scum" (naughty, adaliabooks! :-P) conversation? Put aside your conviction of drealmer7.being scum for a moment, then try to answer this.


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adaliabooks: [...] drealmer has already taken his chance and leapt on, [...]
Forgot to comment on this before - does drealmer7 really count? You know he'd vote you for this even as townt. He'd vote you for even less this game, as he would any of us.

It's a foolish, and petty reckless move on your part; I'm quite disappointed you'd deprive us from a decent chance to beat scum just to make a point. You are aware that if you flip town, it doesn't actually change anything regarding RWarehall (or anyone else for that matter), yes?
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trentonlf: [...] 2. When RW made that post Hunter was not really on my radar, he had not done anything up to that point that made me raise my eyebrows or give me pause to wonder exactly what he was doing. It was the way Hunter responded to pressure being put on him that did make me raise my eyebrows and give me pause to wonder why he reacted that way. [...]
This doesn't really answer my question, though. My question isn't about Hunter65536, it's about RWarehall, and the way he chose to draw attention to Hunter65536. Could you reread my question, RWarehall's post I linked to included?


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trentonlf: [...] 3. I would have to say RW's play day 2 has not been what I expect from town RW because of his laser focus on drealmer, but I have been taking it as RW really believes drealmer is scum and that's who he thinks we should lynch today. I hope we do get more from him today than just being focused on dreamer. [...]
Regarding his laser focus, as you call it, on drealmer7 - he exchanged all in all just two posts with him, and commented on him in another two. While that is four posts out of a total of five he's made so far, would you say that this is consistent with town-RWarehall going after scum-drealmer7?
so you figure you can just qualify my vote change as "scum hopping on a wagon" and that's that?

again, logic issues...*sigh*

c'mon ppl, can't let that stand, must vote adalia, it's only a scum move, town would not do that at this point, not even to risk it, everything else is BS
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HypersomniacLive: This doesn't really answer my question, though. My question isn't about Hunter65536, it's about RWarehall, and the way he chose to draw attention to Hunter65536. Could you reread my question, RWarehall's post I linked to included?


Regarding his laser focus, as you call it, on drealmer7 - he exchanged all in all just two posts with him, and commented on him in another two. While that is four posts out of a total of five he's made so far, would you say that this is consistent with town-RWarehall going after scum-drealmer7?
1. No it was probably not the best way to present a case against someone, but I think he was wanting people to go back and read over Hunter's posts to see if they saw what he was seeing. It would have been better if he had given specific posts to show how he came to his conclusion and his reason for not doing so I am not sure.

2. I already stated that RW's day 2 play has not been what I expect from town RW but that I think RW really believes drealmer is scum and that we should lynch him, are you wanting me to say it in a different way?
End of day, March 21

Votecount
RWarehall (1): gogtrial34987
drealmer7 (1): RWarehall
adaliabooks (1): drealmer7

Not Voting: adaliabooks, HypersomiacLive, Lifthrasil, trentonlf

The three players with a vote are closest to lynch at L-3
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trentonlf: [...] 2. I already stated that RW's day 2 play has not been what I expect from town RW but that I think RW really believes drealmer is scum and that we should lynch him, are you wanting me to say it in a different way?
I think we may be having a misunderstanding/miscommunication here.

I read your first reply to my question, "I would have to say RW's play day 2 has not been what I expect from town RW because of his laser focus on drealmer" as his overall play is not what you expect of town-him and that you attribute it to him being (exclusively?) focused on drealmer7. Did I read this correctly? If so, I wanted to know if his play in regards to drealmer7 specifically is what you'd expect from town-him going after scum-drealmer7. Reading the bit I quote here, I'm not sure if that is a "yes" or a "no".