OK. So you made your decision. Now we have to decide: are you scum rowing back from a previously stated lynch intent on a buddy, because things got too hot? Or is this genuine town concern? Also, who is your third top scum pick? RWare (who held that position previously, if I understood you correctly) hasn't exactly expressed an interest in lynching himself. So who are you referring to?

Btw. for the moment I won't put my vote on RW yet. We still have time and I want him to chime in before deciding where to put my vote.

So just to make sure it doesn't get overlooked on your return, I'll repeat my question that I asked you earlier: would you be willing to lynch RW? Would he be your top lynch choice or who is that and why? You ask this question of others, so I think it's time that you answer it yourself.

Just had a chance to skim the new posts.
Sorry, was rushing earlier and forgot trent was actually town reading RW. Not sure that changes my position but I'll have to think on it.

Seriously, if you're town, how can you think this approach is an acceptable risk? You've been publicly claiming to be convinced that drealmer is scum, yet aren't voting him, so apparently have several doubts, still; enough to make elaborate if-then chains for the next step. Meanwhile, town-you should be acknowledging that over half the players have you near the top of their scum-lists. So if drealmer is town, and you are town, following your approach loses town the game.

If you're really convinced that town-drealmer means scum-me with rw or trent as partner, why aren't you pushing the three of us (or at least the two of them) for all you're worth to see what shakes loose? Why aren't you pushing HSL and Lift to make even more certain of your town reads on them?

Do you not feel adalia's reasoning and leaps of logic (as pointed out by both me and HSL, and also referred to by drealmer) are a clear scum-tell? Or does Lift have similar scumminess which I am not seeing? (I guess Lift would be the least unlikely alternative partner for adalia if I'm wrong about RW, but I'm not seeing it yet. Hell, the scummiest thing I've seen about Lift so far is that adalia is reading him as town.)

So you think it's adalia and RW as a scum pair? I see exactly what y'all are talking about with adalia, but I'm not seeing it with RW. I can have my read totally wrong and it's adalia and RW and not adalia and Lift as the scum pair, but my gut tells me that's not the case. I would like to hear more from RW before I jump to any conclusions.

1) Nothing, yet. I happen to think he is town and the scum team is trent and drealmer. But if drealmer does happen to flip town then gogtrial is scum with trent (presumably, the fact he is voting RWarehall now suggests they are not buddies)
2) I've already covered this, I posted in a rush this morning while on my way out to work and mis spoke.

I've covered the third scum, that was a mistake because I was rushed.
All I ask about lynching RWarehall is this; what happens if he flips town?
Does that clear me? Do you lynch me tomorrow? Because if he flips town and you lynch me tomorrow that's game over.

As for the RWarehall lynch, I've thought more about it and I won't have any part of it. Both the most likely players who could be RWarehall's buddy are already voting him and you and Hyper both seem willing too. That means I'm literally the only player who could be his buddy without some seriously unnecessary bussing going on, and I know I'm not.

I know we are both a dodgy read for you and Hyper, but I think wasting our last 'free' (so to speak) lynch on RWarehall is a mistake.

I believe trent is doing exactly what you expect me to be doing. He is town reading RWarehall for town cred when he flips. And I do expect him to flip town, if he doesn't then you can happily afford to mislynch me tomorrow.

You clearly haven't played with me, there is no such thing as unacceptable risk.
I have held off voting drealmer because one of my first posts of the day called for not rushing the lynch. I have followed by own advice by not rushing into voting him and pushing a lynch.
No, my approach doesn't call to lynch me. Therefore we don't lose.

What's the point? trent has already proved (too) cool under pressure and drealmer is a literal train wreck. If what he has said already hasn't been enough to incriminate him I doubt anything else he can do will.

Yes. Did you not see my #436 and #437?

If RW flips town, I'm definitely still convinced that you should be lynched next.
That means that I could see that lynching you first is the safer play. If you do flip town - which I'm quite convinced that you won't - that'd certainly mean I'd take a very hard look at both trent and drealmer.

I'll remember that. And we did play 1 night ultimate werewolf together, but I guess that wasn't a good setting to show this.

That's a pretty defeatist attitude. You never know when scum will make the one mistake you need to crack the case.

So if I flip town do you clear RWarehall?
Well lets see then, because if your going to lynch me anyway tomorrow whether RWarehall flips town or not, then you might as well lynch me now and town might still have a chance to win.

vote adaliabooks

Yeah, it's not really the same thing. There is a need to be more careful when the entire game rests on one lynch. You'll see that side (maybe) of me tomorrow.

Maybe, or maybe their approach to everyone else is what will show their true colours.
Take trent, he thinks the scum team is me and Lift. He's too far gone in town reading RWarehall to be able to stop so he has to claim that me and Lift are is likely team, because Lift hasn't been itching to lynch me since yesterday.
drealmer has literally listed every other player in the game as possibly scum. He has no town reads, has not even attempted to solve the game by finding likely teams or eliminating possible subjects.

Nice play.

Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't follow up on this offer?

I see you did some chatting since I was last here, quite a bit to go over (haven't read the very recent posts).

But before anything else - @adaliabooks, what's with the self-voting? Apart from the fact that 'd really like the Day to continue, you do know that it doesn't take all that many votes for lynch, and if you're town,you're wasting our D2 lynch this way, don't you?

You thought of that, but it was my method that pinged you as requiring inside scum knowledge? Really? Combined with the first bit of your post, I'm almost tempted to read this as you having that inside info. Almost.

I can sort of see the "scum asking" about how the picking was done, but straight up have been told? I can't imagine that cristigale would have told them even if they asked.


So, you decided it'd be better not only to present your thoughts instead of facts, but also to present them as facts. What on earth is going through your head, if you're town?


In one post you argue that gogtrial34987 appears scummy to you, in the next that you highly doubt it... sort of feels like the agument changes as needed so it supports putting RWarehall into the town pile...


Oh, I got it just fine. The problem with your whole argument is this - it requires me to clear not only one, but two players as town on nothing else but your word on your own alignment, and your read on Lifthrasil. So, no, I don't think you covered it in detail, and I don't think I'll follow your plan.

From where I'm standing, there's a good chance drealmer7 will flip town, and in this case we'll be nowhere closer to figuring out what is going on, as everybody can claim "oh no, I AM SO SURPRISED, was pretty sure he'd flip scum". And if he flips scum, he doesn't clear anybody for me personally, and figuring out who his scum-partner is will be a nightmare, because in this case I can see his scum-buddy bussing him (perhaps even have to, to keep up the town facade) and be all "hey, he was obvi-scum".


Who we are going to vote Tomorrow depends on how the rest of D2 goes, who we vote Today, who we lynch in the end and how they flip.

Don't play scum's game, and don't stand opposite to town.



I do. Apart from me being against ending D2 prematurely, this actually is quite town-adaliabooks.


More to follow.

You claim you're town, if you're truly town in what scenario is giving scum a free mislynch a town play? Are you hoping we will just think there's no way a scum would sacrifice himself like that so he can't be scum? Because I can't see a town move in what you're doing. Hyper seems to think you're town because of it and I'm not sure why because I don't see this as a town move at all.


@Hyper, how is this a town play from adalia??

No, it was the way you presented it, as fact that it was the way scum were chosen that gave me pause. But like I said, once I'd considered it it seemed the more logical solution that what I'd originally had in my head so I didn't bother raising it.

Possibly not, but it seemed more likely if anyone was to ask or be told it would have been scum.

It made sense at the time. Sue me.

Nah, I didn't like the end of yesterday for gogtrial, but thinking about it sensibly it's all a great big null. Killing gamma/JMich doesn't make sense if he was scum wanting to play on the 'I was right about Hunter, let's kill JMich now' thing. With that out of the way I have him as fairly high town, and think that is indeed the most likely scenario, particularly as he is voting RWarehall.

No, it doesn't. You're town right? Let's assume you are. You know Lift isn't your buddy, so that means he must be teamed with me, drealmer, trent or gogtrial if he is scum. He has been trying to get drealmer lynched since yesterday, and I'm not far behind in his scum list. Sure, you could write that off as bussing or distancing, but why go to such lengths for either when it's not required?
So could Lift be scum with trent? Possibly. trent is now putting Lift as his top pick for my supposed team mate, but that could well be distancing as trent knows once I flip town you probably won't pursue Lift. I wouldn't strictly rule this combination out, other than I find Lift to be very much town Lift.
Lift and gogtrial is again plausible, but as they both come off very townie (and both wished to lynch Gamma day 1) they don't really make sense as a scum team, particularly considering the NK.

So odds are Lift is town. If there is one thing I've learned from playing this game, it's the odds are usually right.
Now we assume you and Lift are town. If you just assume that one of either me or RWarehall is town (ie. any other option then we are a scum team) then the only logical team is trent and drealmer.
The last bit is the only stretch, but unfortunately we don't really have time to lynch either me or RWarehall to confirm it as if gogtrial (or Lift) is playing the rest of us we'll need that extra lynch to figure it out.

I'm not playing scums game, I'm really not. I'm literally so sure I'm right I'm willing to die for it.

ummm, I can't see how we can't not lynch adalia now, and I also don't understand how HSL justifies that as a town-move or why he'd speak for him as it being such, though, I think maybe I have memory of townadalia voting himself before, but I'm not sure? but even so, he should not do that if town, it's still only a scum move and I don't think he'd do it again if he did it before

also thinking more about it, I'm not sure town him is as enthusiastic at this point, making so many meaty posts trying out so many avenues of thought / presenting angles of possibility, thinking more enthusiastic scum

unvote RWarehall

vote adaliabooks