FYI: I expect to be somewhat scarce between now and Sunday. I will be able to keep up with the thread (particularly at its current pace), vote, and hopefully even do a bit more scumhunting, but some days during this period I might only have time for a short check-in post.

Kinda what I wanted to watch as well back in post 110, and seeing so far it seems less likely that he is scum. Even in that smurfia game I recall him trying to sling mud everywhere when he was scum being put under pressure.

Gamma, where my vote lies. Reason is secret because I want him to get antsy and make mistakes. :P

Need more time to formulate your way out?

Hmm, was it you? I'm bad at guessing games . . . who was it anyway?

Let's see first if Lifthrasil guesses right, but nope, I was playing from the beginning.

I'll keep it in mind. Since you seem to share GammaEmerald's mindset on this, which of the questions he was asked do you consider weren't/aren't worth answering?


You seem quite convinced that he's folding under pressure. From your experience playing with him, and observing games he's been in, do you find this to be drealmer7-consistent as either alignment?


Here's what bothers me - I can understand not wanting to draw attention to something you're keeping an eye on until you have more about it. Thing is that the way you answered trentonlf's question did anything but not draw attention (while not specifically to trentonlf, there was a bit of a "wink wink" there), and the way you went on to explain yourself drew even more attention. Not exactly what I'd expect from someone really not wanting to draw attention to something they're keeping a close eye on, waiting for something to happen, hence why my raised eyebrow.

I'm also not sure what response you hoped to elicit from trentonlf, especially after he picked drealmer7 himself. It might be my raised eyebrow, but that bit sounds a bit like an afterthought, seeing you got a reaction from me.

None of those specifically, I just mean that generally some questions don't need or deserve answering, but that being present in the game is important and good.

Not to this extent no, and I don't see drealmer using RL as an excuse to get out of being scum... but I know from personal experience that playing is more stressful and anxiety causing when you are scum.
Before he disappeared he really felt like he was scum and disappearing hasn't done anything to change that opinion for me.

But it didn't. It drew attention to me and to drealmer, both results I'm happy enough with. What I didn't want was to accuse trent of being scum and give the game away, I wanted to see if he would continue to push (or at least place him as his top pick) drealmer in which case I might have to re-evaluate my stance on drealmer.

I didn't know what response to expect either, up to that point I was working on the basis they were the scum team and that really threw me. So I wanted to wait and see if it was distancing or damage control, or whether drealmer is town and trent is scum hoping to push a mislynch.
Unfortunately drealmer's absence makes it far harder to read anything into that.

As of now... I think trent and drealmer are still my top picks. I'm not so sure of Gamma, I'd still say leaning town, but if his lynch goes forward and neither of my picks look likely I would join that wagon.
Currently no one else seems to have any real heat, though it doesn't take much to change that sometimes, so I don't know that any of the other players are worth considering (and they are all reading pretty null to me)

So you think me and drealmer are a team because I agreed with him for the most part at the start? So every game I play with drealmer I need to get into it with him and push him, even if I agree with him? Uhm, ok that makes sense.

You want to lynch me and get it wrong, that's fine go ahead and lynch me. But make sure you do keep your eye on drealmer or his replacement if it goes that way because he is still my top pick as of now.

No, I think you're scum because you very quickly flip flopped from revealing picks is bad to being the first to do so. As if you had suddenly realized the best outcome for you was to get in quickly to allay suspicions.

I think drealmer is scum for a variety of reasons, and I think you might be buddies because you seem to be practising what I can only refer to as anti-distancing.

That's a bit strong, other than RWarehall expressing some doubts (which he basically retracted in the same post) I don't think anyone else has had any suspicions of you. It's hardly likely at this moment that you will get lynched.

I never said revealing picks was bad, I said i thought it could cause too much WIFOM and it would make the game more of a puzzle solving game than a scum hunting game. But the way it was going everyone was debating the merits of revealing, and the way we operate on this forum is to discuss anything for three days and then agonize over it for another day or so before we do anything. It seemed to me most everyone was wanting to reveal picks so I started it to remove the pointless 3 days of discussion I felt was coming because that would have been even more WIFOM, and scum hide behind WIFOM.

If you look back you will see that all we basically did for a day and a half after we revealed picks was talk about that and nothing else, so imagine if we had discussed the merits of revealing for 3 days first and then talked about the picks after they were actually revealed for a day and a half. Way too much time wasted on something that means nothing right now, picks will only be useful later on. So getting the picks out there was to cut out as much WIFOM as I could.

Actually I'm a little pissy you are being that superficial. I think my frustration will tell people to chill out before I lose my cool on them. I do not have a certainty that I can get back from L-1. I have never felt that way before I've hit it. I just work my way out as I go. As for the questions, I guess that makes sense. I'm also not used to forum mafia due to a semi-break I had to take, so I'm not sure if my play is just rusty or I'm choking because I normally am not this crappy at the game.

End of day - 3/8/17

Second verse, same as the first....

Votecount
GammaEmerald (2): RWarehall, Hunter65536
drealmer7 (1): adaliabooks

Not Voting: drealmer7, GammaEmerald, gogtrial34987, HypersomiacLive, Lifthrasil, trentonlf

At L-3, GammaEmerald is closest to being lynched.

The way you ask the question, probably drealmer.


To me, this part reads like 'Hey, that's a convenient point that RWarehall raised. I'll latch on to it.

This, combined with the help for Gamma ("Some questions aren't worth answering", ... "I see Gamma as town"...) makes me wonder if the scum team isn't adalia and Gamma.
And while I agree that drealmer's disappearance doesn't reduce his scumminess, it also doesn't increase it, like adalia seems to suggest. RL troubles can hit both scum and town and I don't think a drealmer of any alignment would 'hide' for THAT long without RL reasons.

So, two questions, adalia, which I hope you'll deem worth answering: 1. which questions aren't worth answering and why? I can see that some questions are dangerous to answer, but 'not worth it'? If someone asked the question, he at least seems to deem it worthy of an answer. Otherwise it wouldn't have been asked.
2. What makes Gamma so towny in your eyes?


Which contradicts something you wrote earlier. There you said yourself, that you are bad at the game.
On second re-read that might actually have been meant as a preparation for later: 'Hey, if you see anything strange/anti-town in my playstyle, that's not me being scummy. I'm just bad at the game'

Other parts of your play don't look better either. First you try evasiveness and then, when prodded about it, you resort to being frustrated and pissed. 'Look at me, I'm so frustrated that you all read me wrong! LAMIST!'

Originally I had planned to wait for drealmer's replacement before placing another vote. But I am wondering, whether you don't deserve the top suspicion spot after all ... or is that just an effect of drealmer's absence, because he couldn't dig himself in deeper? But maybe drealmer was just louder, not scummier. I'll have to go back and check.

Meanwhile trent was raised: I had my doubts about him in between too. From time to time he periodically seemed very silent or not post very contentfull stuff. But then again he is silent on Day 1 often and mostly observes. I don't like that, but well, different playstyles. But I expect you to be back to your eloquent, scum-hunting self by Day 2, trent!

You revealed in post 26, on the first day of the game. Forgive me if I don't buy the 'We were going to talk about it for ever aspect' of your argument.

And what exactly is the problem with that?
In a usual game we would still be joke voting and pissing about with each other at this point with nothing to go on. A day and a half talking about actual game relevant information (and getting some leads out of it) seems fairly reasonable to me.

I also don't see what WIFOM could have been generated by waiting or talking about it, the picks can literally do nothing bad for town unless town players lied about there's (which shouldn't happen). Any pick scum reveals is going to be real, whether they actually picked it or not.

Tut tut Lift, I was expecting someone to accuse me of piggybacking RWarehall's theory, and of me and Gamma being a team. I wasn't expecting the same person to do both.

1) Many questions. And I would include dangerous ones as the answer may not be worth revealing information. For example gogtrial's question to me earlier about what town pings I'd gotten on Gamma. It's a pointless question. What I count as a town ping (or a scum ping for that matter) doesn't necessarily mean anything to anyone else. I answered it anyway because I didn't want to appear evasive, but it doesn't really benefit the game. Hyper asking what my concerns about him are is another example. If I was ready to share my concerns I would have done so, I'm certainly not going to do so at the prompting of the person I am concerned about.

2) At this very moment? Not much. But in general he is posting regularly. Maybe the culture is very different on Mafiascum but that's not my impression of scum play. Compared to trent, who hasn't posted much (until I called him out and he started responding to that), or Hunter, who is posting two or three lines in most of his posts.

On the other hand you have me and Gamma, lots of posts (I won't comment on the quality of my own posts, that's for you lot to decide) with variable quality. Hyper, lots of posts and questions asked. You haven't posted as much, but your posts are long and make good points, same with gogtrial.
So Gamma's over all play still leans town to me. That being said, I will happily vote him as it's only a general town leaning and I have been known to be wrong on occasion.
Plus there has been a lot of discussion over him so good reads to be made upon his flip.
Best case scenario, he is actually scum and we're half way to winning. I recognise in that case I'm probably next on the block for having called him town leaning, but I'm happy to take a bullet tomorrow if we get scum today as we'll still have a good chance of winning (particularly as a scum flip rules out drealmer or his replacement which is valuable).
Worst case he is town and you lynch me tomorrow thinking I was scum trying to pocket him or seem townie by defending him. In that case we would be four town down going into day 3 and it would be LYLO (assuming scum NK both nights, but I see no reason they wouldn't since there are no PRs)