Yet.


Well, I hadn't thought of that, but now that you mentioned it...

Do you guys do reads lists often? Might as well.
Town
Hunter
adalia
trent
gogtrial
lift
HSL
drealmerz
RWarehall
Scum
HSL still feels a little scummy but my main issue was address with the timing of his post being counter to my original thoughts, so he's higher than drealmerz. Lift is my "straight null" line. Adalia does not really seem to be trying to deceive, so I feel he is town. A lot of the things people seem to be pinged by for adalia don't really ring scummy to me.

I really don't like how Gamma is coat-tailing Drealmer's argument. I made my point. How scum might react to the reveal may vary. I'm not sure if they might intentionally avoid dups to look more lownly or try to dupe to reveal less info. Strangely Gamma seems not to talk about my reasons, but instead just fallback to a claim of "it's scummy".

Now both Drealmer and Gamma seemed to be trying to put off reveals which I find a bit scummy as establishing a position early helps avoid "convenient" later claims to steer the lynch. Of the two, while I find Drealmer quite scummy as posted. I can't help but feel his play is consistent with his usual play. Also of note, pointed out earlier, that the two cannot be teammates.

Hence, at this point, I find Gamma the scummier of the two and I get the sense he(she?) is trying too hard. I don't really find Hyper scummy at all. I'd have to believe by double duping, he's doing that solely for a WIFOM play as scum which seems quite problematic this early and prone to backfire. I wouldn't risk it, so I'd believe Hyper wouldn't either.

I'm just not seeing a lot of solid reasoning and that list doesn't seem to jive with what reasoning I've seen.

Vote GammaEmerald

Almost on the verge of voting myself, just waiting to see drealmer's reaction to HSL post above to confirm since I fear he could be a misguided townie again.

End of (real life) day - 3/5/17

Votecount
drealmer7 (1): adaliabooks
GammaEmerald (1): RWarehall

Not Voting: drealmer7, GammaEmerald, gogtrial34987, Hunter65536, HypersomiacLive, Lifthrasil, trentonlf

At L-4, drealmer7 and GammaEmerald are closest to being lynched.

Can you explain the bold part further? I don't see anything that Hyper has done as scummy and would like clarification on exactly what you mean.

Except that's just numbers and even he said it's not substitute for scum hunting. He had a hypothesis and tested it with numbers IMO, that's all there is to take away from it.

Think he means duplicate picks by HSL, HSL going after drealmer and misquoted part by drealmer about adalia. None of these seem scummy to me as well.
On the other hand gamma does seem to be trying too hard to get others lynched. So I'll go with RW on this and place my vote there
Vote Gamma

So, let me get this straight: you're not invested in the game, you aren't even to page 2 in this game and yet you throw around strong statements about other people's scumminess? And you have the nerve to call for others not to focus on just one player, but do it yourself all the time? That is very scummy!

IF you are town, you really need to clean up your act. Instead of complaining that scum profits from you doing yourself in, how about stopping to do yourself in?

And no, the chance that you're scum is not 0%. That would only be the case if all combinations including you would have been excluded. But that wasn't the case - and if we had followed your 'advice' the excluded combinations wouldn't even be on the table.

I see RW's and Hunter's reasons for voting Gamma and I agree that (s)he seems a bit scummy and needs watching (just as gogtrial and HSL, though HSL doesn't feel scummy). But for the moment and with the last posts you definitely top the scum list. Yes, the drealmer I know does strange things. But he was always invested in the game. That you aren't now might be a very good tell that you are scum.

Therefore: vote drealmer7

And let me repeat this: IF you are town (and that's a big IF), please clean up your act and start focusing on the game in total, not just on HSL. Or in other words: start to try helping town instead of pushing your own personal agenda - and playing PS:T (I know that game is awesome. But if you're so caught up in it that you can't really participate in this game, that's hardly fair on the other players. So if you prefer to focus on PS:T, please ask for replacement).

This is what is really not rubbing me right. I may not agree with drealmer most of the time and find him scummy, but usually he's in the game shouting his head off. It feels like he's trying to avoid posting so he doesn't have to commit to anything or get himself in trouble.

As scum in the past I have often played that way, and see my team mates play that way, so it's a huge red flag.

Coupled with the fact he was in favour of not revealing picks (with no straight answer as to why) and I do think he might be scum this game.

I can see why others are voting Gamma, but I've had a couple of town pings from him and as it's one or the other I find drealmer the better target.

nope but any time he doesn't ping me as scummy makes me wary of him, but I know better than to form a read off of that at this point

my active hours shift all of the time lately because of having trouble sleeping (anxiety)

I sleep when I can sleep, I slept a lot of yesterday

so adalia goes from this:
to this:

rather quickly

and then this:

are you scum with HSL?

that's pretty scummy!!! you know and we all know that this is the game that matters and each game you should be dedicated to your wincon not mafiatheory exploration

I'm very unsettled that HSL has repeat claims as the 3rd claimer, and his reasons for picking them seem like they were typed out hastily rather than what I'd figure HSL to give us (something more 1.) elaborate and 2.) pointed.) - like he wanted to do it as fast as possible to try and seem less suspicious intentionally

whoawhoawhoawhoa

this is all you have for us up to this point?!?! and it is just repetition / stating the obvious from what has already been said/deduced! hugepings from lift, I want more from him at this point...a lot more, as it sounds like he's just playing it safe/reserved

ahhh, HSL, twisting things into more scumminess than they really are, how comforting!

in your opinion it doesn't have town's best interest - in gamma's argument, he says it doesn't NECESSARILY, and goes on to explain why HE'S NOT CERTAIN and hence the experiment in the first place - you're acting as if he's already performed the experiment he was desiring and should have come to the same conclusion you did about what is best

shed suspicion, exploit, using against me - you're twisting what is going on to make it more severe than it was, as you do

YES and nice WIFOM there, and then adding the "give me alittle more credit than that" is some AtE rhetoric pushing it even more - scumposts galore from HSL, but, he's like that as town too so...tempering the read

I can totally see you (or any number of us) doing exactly that as a valid strategy, that you try to argue that it wouldn't be a good, usable, workable one, is suspect

I think he could very well frame reasons, especially if he thought about it ahead of time (at least on an individual player basis), and it'd be no sweat for him to do what he did in a span of 10 minutes, at all, and I get the sense that is possible he did rush it a bit given how he did it (they just don't seem like normal HSL sentences or phrasings to me), and the only reason to rush would be to "get in to look less suspicious" and only scum would care about that.

I'm trying too hard? where exactly does it look like I'm "trying hard" - I'm just pointing out things like I do that strike me to point out, and I always come off as pushing someone as scum than I intend to - I don't have a confident SR/scumlean on anyone at this point

I disagree. It's never too early to associate with a scumbuddy to start building the WIFOM.

PING

this just sounds to me like you're making sure to leave the door open to SR ppl who didn't duplicate or to steer ppl away from those that have duplicates

uhhuh...

so you're saying a bunch of nothing that isnot helpful...thanks!

And the problem with that is?

In between me saying I'd have to look at the order of the duplicate picks to see what I could learn both trial and Hyper posted the list with details of duplicates. Seeing that only me, gamma and the first two picks actually managed to pick unique pairings made any attempt to use it for scum hunting mostly pointless.
You'll notice I did point out that Hyper came off worst from the list before I made the second point expressing my concern about it.

There are other things that concern me about Hyper, but as of now I don't think they are worth pursuing.

clarification:

mass reveal

obviously anyone brough to L-1 on D1 should claim their picks and I didn't mean to suggest otherwise - always claim at L-1, of course!!!

we'd only lose the NK reveal potentially, and yes, I think it COULD have served town better to wait - we'll never know

it's not that they're going the puzzle-solving route, it's that, at almost 100 posts, people are still using it as content to post about MORE than other stuff - RW more than anyone, as if he's making sure to set up his positions for later validation. Of course scum are going to say "of course we stil need to scumhunt primarily" as cover and, while yes lift/adalia could be scum, it's not smart to use that as an idicator one way or another

"Though I suppose I couldn't fault the logic of lynching me D1 if I'm statistically the most likely to be scum." is the part that specifically pings me, and yes, absolutely a ping to me to say he'd not fault ppl for pushing his lynch due to statistics - like WHAT?!?!?! I'd fault you all if you lynched someone based on statistics, and I can't believe adalia wouldn't also, as town, but as scum I can see him saying this to try and get townpoints for "being okay with his lynch"

this just totally reeks of pooooo - especially now that you've added the "probably as town" addendum to your original statement to avoid addressing my likelihood of getting lynched early as scum

you "expected" my early lynch, but as I said, I haven't been MLed early as town in a while, and even then my lynches didn't exactly come easy for scum

there's just all sorts of wrong with this statement

and now I'm up to HSL's lovely attack-post at me and I'm going to post this and maybe hopefully get to that and the rest before long

I think I finally figured out my issue with you. You irk me when you start making the game personal. You might not think you are making it personal, but as I read your posts that's how it feels. For me I don't see how Hyper has twisted anything you've said or done or anyone else for that matter. All he has done is question everyone to gauge reactions and make sure he has a reference point to come back to later if someone tries changing their story. To me it seems you don't like it that Hyper questioned yours and gamma's play and you lash out.

The only way we are going to win this is by questioning and pushing, and if you can't see that then you might want to really think about what this game is about.

I think it is possible that it starts to sound like I make it personal when I feel like I'm being misrepresented or misunderstood. I have trouble parsing the argument that is being given from how I perceive it is being given.

With HSL, in regards to me and to others, I regularly feel like he exaggerates, twists, and dramatizes even at times, the points he is bringing up about others. Like a yellowjournalist looking to spread propaganda rather than make sure they have an exact grasp of the facts (the facts in mafia being the actual positions people hold) - like his goal is to not understand what was said, but to take what was said and try to make it understood by others as suspect as possible while making it look like he's doing "solid journalism." and I just go "omg that's not solid journalism that's misrepped propaganda!!"