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Posted March 27, 2016
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drealmer7: Let's ask the man himself:

wyrm: what do you think about the possibility/likelihood that you are either paranoid or insane?
I think the chances of my investigation having been either paranoid or insane are basically nil.

I also think I'm damn surprised at how this has been turning out. Am I the only town, surrounded by scum teams? If so, I'm hella underpowered, and I want to know what Bler's "potential town game breaker play" was.

Player X has claimed a role. Player Y has claimed that X is scum.

1) Lynch Y: Tells you shit about X, even if Y is town, if you are considering that Y might be paranoid or insane.
2) Lynch X:
2a) If X flips town, Lynch Y D2. You've lynched scum, or at least anti town. Barely even need to think about it.
2b) If X flips Mafia, great! No need to assume Y is town, just continue to distrust him as normal.
2c) If X flips SK or other neutral: Lynch Y for being a liar. Thea's right, lynch Y if X flips as anything besides Mafia.

You'd have nearly the same result as if CSPVG was indeed a town cop, labeled me as scum, then died to the NK.

I would love to hear a scenario that makes sense for non-town me to make the play I've made.
-If I'm Mafia, the best course of action D1 was for us to deliberately set out to bus a buddy?
-If I'm an SK with investigative powers (wut?), why the hell would I single myself out for town AND Mafia to go for right from the start?
-If I'm neutral, then I'd have to have some kind of death wish (jester?) to make this play. And let me assure you: if I have a death wish, I WILL manage to jump on someone's sword, so trying to stall me from that would be ultimately futile.

And no, I don't have a death wish.
Posted March 27, 2016
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Bookwyrm627: I think the chances of my investigation having been either paranoid or insane are basically nil.
Why? The current flavor of the game does support the "mental institution" theory, and we might just be all crazy here. Or is your flavor such that flat out denies it?

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Bookwyrm627: Player X has claimed a role. Player Y has claimed that X is scum.

1) Lynch Y: Tells you shit about X, even if Y is town, if you are considering that Y might be paranoid or insane.
2) Lynch X:
2a) If X flips town, Lynch Y D2. You've lynched scum, or at least anti town. Barely even need to think about it.
2b) If X flips Mafia, great! No need to assume Y is town, just continue to distrust him as normal.
2c) If X flips SK or other neutral: Lynch Y for being a liar. Thea's right, lynch Y if X flips as anything besides Mafia.
Hm, I'm having some deja vu. Did we see a similar analysis before?
Posted March 27, 2016
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drealmer7: snip
I don't see any value in no-lynch. So, let's imagine CSPVG is really a scum flavour cop and Bookwyrm is our town cop. No investigation is going to tell us any more than we already know. I highly doubt there is a 3rd cop and any watchers or trackers will just be watching or tracking him as he investigates for scum. So unless CSPVG were to lie about his target (which there is no reason he should), there is nothing else to gain by waiting.

As to your idea that a no-lynch might somehow magically give us unnamed powers or information, I don't see it.

As to Bookwyrm, yeah, he revealed, he might as well share more information so we can more properly assess his credibility. That much is clearly useful.

But, I think people are jumping ahead too much though with this paranoid or insane thing. That is just as much an assumption as anything else based only on some mention of a bastard mod element in play somewhere. And is just about as unverifiable without a reveal. We already seemingly have found one "bastard mod element" in the double-voters who have no real chance of ever double-voting. There is no guarantee there is more than just that or that Bler is referring to something else.
Posted March 27, 2016
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Connect all the dots with four straight lines without picking up your writing utensil.
Posted March 27, 2016
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Krypsyn: Connect all the dots with four straight lines without picking up your writing utensil.
Will need pen, paper and a camera, or I'll have to open up paint. Not that hard though, give me 2 minutes.
Posted March 27, 2016
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drealmer7: snip
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RWarehall: I don't see any value in no-lynch. So, let's imagine CSPVG is really a scum flavour cop and Bookwyrm is our town cop. No investigation is going to tell us any more than we already know.
We will have what they both have to say come D2, and possibly a N1 death result to enhance the reads on the situation, hopefully they have more reads too and it will allow things to become more defined, I really think it could be useful.

I DO agree it is possible CSPVG is scum flavor cop, and I was considering that to be how it was seeming to shape up to look, but I am just not comfortable enough with that after what wyrm's claim is, his claim just seems possibly paranoid/insane to me, and is sketchy at best for other reasons, and CSPVG upon reflection seems more believable to me now. soooo....

Maybe I'm just paranoid! And that is another reason I think no-lynch could be good. I just can't see who to believe either way for sure-enough, it's making me very worried about what is going on and I do see value in the no-lynch today come D2 starting, even without some magical bastard mod-element possibility.

anyway, I think I'm done making my case and stating my positions...it's up to the rest of you to figure it out now....lalalalalaaaaa....

it's certainly an interesting D1! curious to see how it all unfolds! make your decisions and stances, everyone else!
Posted March 27, 2016
well... thanks GOG forum formatting! You totally ruined my spacing!


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There, much better... bah!

Not that it makes much different to the answer, but... well... OCD kicked in.

@JMich No.. it isn't hard. Just have to think outside the box.
Posted March 27, 2016
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Krypsyn: @JMich No.. it isn't hard. Just have to think outside the box.
So you want the picture or not? :P
Posted March 27, 2016
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Krypsyn: * * *

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Connect all the dots with four straight lines without picking up your writing utensil.
It's possible to do it in 3 under certain conditions...
Posted March 27, 2016
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Krypsyn: Connect all the dots with four straight lines without picking up your writing utensil.
If I don't pick up my writing utensil, how am I supposed to draw anything at all?
Posted March 27, 2016
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JMich: So you want the picture or not? :P
Nah...

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RWarehall: It's possible to do it in 3 under certain conditions...
Not under the conditions I gave, assuming Euclidean geometry, anyway.
Posted March 27, 2016
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Krypsyn: @JMich No.. it isn't hard. Just have to think outside the box.
Bit on the nose, ain't it?
Posted March 27, 2016
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JMich: So you want the picture or not? :P
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Krypsyn: Nah...

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RWarehall: It's possible to do it in 3 under certain conditions...
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Krypsyn: Not under the conditions I gave, assuming Euclidean geometry, anyway.
Oh yes it can...how long is your paper? Your dots have a width, thus with very long straight lines, it can be done very simply.
Posted March 27, 2016
Perhaps a minor detail, but the deadline is now 6:45 am, manana de la manana.
Posted March 27, 2016
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drealmer7: If I don't pick up my writing utensil, how am I supposed to draw anything at all?
Good answer: A+.

Votes are a lot like writing utensils.

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bler144: Bit on the nose, ain't it?
I am sure I have no idea what you are talking about.

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RWarehall: Oh yes it can...how long is your paper?
Not relevant.

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RWarehall: Your dots have a width, thus with very long straight lines, it can be done very simply.
The dots shown are each mere representations of a point with no dimensions.
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