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Hunter65536: @cristi what does STU mean?
It's a phrase yogs coined: Slaughter the Useless


A couple of other thoughts before turning in for the night:

The back-and-forth between flubb and Hunter feels odd. Not quite sure what to make of it yet. If Hunter is lynched and flips scum, flubb is likely town. Dedo might gain some town points as well. If Hunter is lynched and flips town, flubb may be scum – something about it reminds me of an earlier game when flubb was scum. I need to figure out why.

Short of some new development, I won’t be voting for RWarehall today. If his claim is true, there is a decent chance of some corroborating action tonight.
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Sage103082: /steps out of no where and waves
JKitty!! We miss you :-*


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cristigale: Short of some new development, I won’t be voting for RWarehall today. If his claim is true, there is a decent chance of some corroborating action tonight.
Let's hope he doesn't end up being the TOWN ARSONIST's Keeper or worse...


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cristigale: My preference is to select someone I find scummy over someone I (simply) believe is not contributing as much as others.
Fair enough. Is there someone fitting that description?

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cristigale: If Hunter is lynched and flips scum, flubb is likely town. Dedo might gain some town points as well.
Not necessarily. There could be more than 1 mafia team or some such type of division:
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bler144: Traitorous scum, scum here!
Since I have been singled out yet again for the 'sin' of contributing less than others, at a stage of the game where contributing usually amounts to pages of inane jokes and the odd, non-serious vote. I do miss the crawling over broken glass speeds of old. Sprinting was never for me.

So (because I don't think anyone will accept me saying that I am town, that no one yet warrants an offing yet, and that I find yog and adalia's entire system of lynching those that someone arbitrarily deems 'useless' or non-contributory isn't a very helpful or fun way of playing) to the claim-mobile!

(Also, perhaps this is a vindication to some of that very method mentioned above. So be it.)

You shouldn't off me today because: I'm Danny, Town Desk Cop.

My flavour reads as such: Whilst performing in a local production of William and Shakespeare's "Romeo et Juliet" I was cruelly felled by an accident, and landed up here. Since I don't have anything better to do, I've got hold of some patient files and every night can choose to review one.

Last night I had an action. I was allowed to choose between three randomly selected numbers. Specifically: 7, 25, and 42. I picked 7.

I was presented with Hunter's file. A very boring file indeed. Detailing nothing of any import but a problem with explosive flatulence, a copy of an online dating profile for a dating site specifically for farmers, his interest in open mic nights at a comedy store, and his love of nature and puppies.

Bler makes passing mention of his lack of a violent history, and then says that he couldn't murder anyone unless he poisoned them. I take this to be a fart joke, though.

All of this lead me to conclude that Hunter is Town.

So, unless I have some sort of modifier that I know nothing about, that's all I have for now (although I'm sure someone will say something along the lines of, "Isn't that just too much of a coincidence? He got three random numbers and somehow ended up with Hunter. Thus, he's claiming town for the two people most now closest to lynch.")
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CSPVG: You shouldn't off me today because: I'm Danny, Town Desk Cop.
Development! A bit premature maybe but still development.

So, you're basically claiming a flavor cop then (any idea why it's called a Desk cop instead of Flavor cop?)? Why did you decide to claim halfway in rather than try to defend yourself without disclosing sensitive data first?

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CSPVG: Last night I had an action.
N0 action? When did that happen?



@Trent, Wyrm, what do you think?
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dedoporno: 1. So, you're basically claiming a flavor cop then (any idea why it's called a Desk cop instead of Flavor cop?)? Why did you decide to claim halfway in rather than try to defend yourself without disclosing sensitive data first?

2. N0 action? When did that happen?
1. As I said above, I'm not sure what defense to offer at this stage. The reason (it seems to me) for this having me at L-3 is basically just that it's day one, so why not get it over with by voting someone who is somehow not contributing enough.

2. Last night. It was either read a file or watch basic cable, and Dancing With The Stars wasn't on. *shrug*
Unvote: Hunter6060842
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flubbucket: Unvote: Hunter6060842
Why do you always mess up my number? It's 2^16, hardly difficult to remember :P

@CSPVG lucky 7 eh?
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flubbucket: Unvote: Hunter6060842
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Hunter65536: Why do you always mess up my number? It's 2^16, hardly difficult to remember :P

@CSPVG lucky 7 eh?
Math is for suckers
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CSPVG: You shouldn't off me today because: I'm Danny, Town Desk Cop.
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dedoporno: Development! A bit premature maybe but still development.

So, you're basically claiming a flavor cop then (any idea why it's called a Desk cop instead of Flavor cop?)? Why did you decide to claim halfway in rather than try to defend yourself without disclosing sensitive data first?

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CSPVG: Last night I had an action.
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dedoporno: N0 action? When did that happen?

@Trent, Wyrm, what do you think?
That if CSPVG really is a cop I wish he hadn't of divulged that information just yet. This is the reason I was hesitant to push someone so quick, it can backfire and then scum have a juicy target to pick from. If it is true we have two townies possibly confirmed, but I'm not sure at this point if that would outweighs losing a cop at night. I lean toward believing his claim and would not be for lynching CSPVG today.
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cristigale: When you say several people are trying to distract from his wagon, who do you mean? I take several to mean at least 3 or more.
I'm talking about the people questioning why someone would push CSPVG (without offering any reason for why not, or any reason for pushing someone else). I'm looking at people that seem to be jumping on small things and misinterpreting, perhaps deliberately? I'm thinking about people saying things like "X looks scummy for pushing a wagon this early."

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cristigale: You have not outright said it, but I read what you are suggesting as STU. If I'm wrong about that, I apologize. My preference is to select someone I find scummy over someone I (simply) believe is not contributing as much as others. If no one else stands out, a lurker is a decent option. If no one else stands out, there may be a better chance it is someone who is lurking.
You could read it as STU, and to a small extent you might not be entirely wrong. Here's the thing you don't address, which I've also asked about: Would you rather push someone else? If so, who and why? If not, what do you propose instead of pushing on someone, anyone?

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cristigale: I think your question is loaded, but to answer it: because I have not seen CSPVG do anything I find scummy. Secondarily, because he has good observations when he shares. And a very distance third reason, I find his humor refreshing.
You said you are against No Lynch. We have a deadline of Monday (now moved up). Do you propose we wait until Sunday, or even Monday, to start pushing on someone? Did you have an alternative course of action that doesn't involve pushing on someone? We can all sit and stare, in which case no one will look scummy because no one will do anything.

Yes, CSPVG has good insights when he gets his head into it and posts. Looking at the player list, can you name someone who doesn't have at least decent insights? You've said you're not a fan of D1 No Lynch, so which player would you have liked to see pushed instead? We have to start somewhere.

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cristigale: I’m not against lynching CSPVG per se. The original push on him felt too rushed, hence the vote. At this point, we probably need to hear CSPVG's answer to your question. If his explanation is not convincing, I will be OK voting for him. If he doesn't answer, that is also a reason to vote. My current concern of lynching CSPVG: if he flips town, do we learn anything useful about the remaining players?
How long is it appropriate to wait before starting a wagon on someone?

If he flips town, then I look bad, and RW may look bad. Trent will be a person of interest either way. Not much to tell about Krypsyn, regardless.

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dedoporno: @Trent, Wyrm, what do you think?
I think I'd like to hear his ID number. I've got mine on my wristband.

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CSPVG: <snip>
That is interesting. Thanks!

What is your ID number?
As of now my only 2 suspects are still bookwyrm and RWarehall. I would be comfortable enough voting either of them at this point. I'm also comfortable voting no-lynch because I believe CSPVG's claim and while he might die tonight and we get no information come D2 from him, at this point I think it is a highly viable and reasonable option to pursue. I definitely think it makes sense to take no-lynch to L-1 and see what he claims under the pressure.
Unvote CSPVG

I wish he wasn't a cop either, but pushing and getting an answer is still better than lynching outright. At worst, scum uses their action tonight, though they have to worry if he could be watched.

And while its a grand idea to wait until the conversation indicates he might have a power role, doesn't that mean scum can pick it up as well? Thus, the whole strategy of a quick push of an unlikely contributor.

Either way, someone has to be pushed if we are seeking out a day 1 lynch and there is always the chance its a power role.
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drealmer7: I definitely think it makes sense to take no-lynch to L-1 and see what he claims under the pressure.
And you wondered why I offered paint chips for your vote.
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CSPVG: So (because I don't think anyone will accept me saying that I am town, that no one yet warrants an offing yet, and that I find yog and adalia's entire system of lynching those that someone arbitrarily deems 'useless' or non-contributory isn't a very helpful or fun way of playing) to the claim-mobile!
I'd just like to point out that lynching lurkers has never really been a priority for me (particularly those who always lurk a little such as yourself as I believe it says nothing about alignment), my argument is always to just lynch anyone. I literally don't care who. I think the end game of the last game proved my point (with so few town left it became obvious who the scum team was).

Anyway, back to the game!
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RWarehall: someone has to be pushed if we are seeking out a day 1 lynch and there is always the chance its a power role.
I highly disagree. I find plenty of reads to go on without pushing anyone a lot of time. I think the advantage to pushing a wagon goes to scum most of the time, hence why you are my top suspect, the way you did what you did and how you're handling yourself feels "off" to me, not super-hard/egregious, certainly, but enough that I'm more comfortable with you as a choice than I ever was of CSPVG. However, CSPVG's claim draws him more into the light of "possible suspect" to me than he had been before. We must be aware that it is possible CSPVG is a mafia-cop as I also believe it is highly possible that 1 cop is town and the other mafia, and with how quick CSPVG was to claim under what I see as weak-sauce pressure, he could very well be scum who conveniently got pushed with a convenient and seemingly innocent enough claim that saves him for at least another day, but, again, not suspicious enough for me to vote, certainly, especially with the just-as-possible possibility that his claim is true.

so, 11 players, a mention of a neutral in the OP, so I am using this setup in my head currently to parse things:

1 anti-town neutral, 2 mafia, 8 town, with the 2 mafia both having a power-role of some-sort, I would guess a flavor cop and a jailer (why jailer, you ask? no reason at all, it's just a working theory for me to keep things in my head.)

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Bookwyrm627: And you wondered why I offered paint chips for your vote.
not really!

vote no-lynch