@bler Yes edits are weird and sometimes people reduce content to make less cluttery posts but in this case he managed to cut out the exact part where relevant info was. Anyway I understand your idea of how a lift flip will also prove dedo is scum and it's the best course right now I guess.

Unvote dedoporno
Vote Lift

Well, since dedo's not on the wagon as we move to L-1, guess I get to do it.

Unvote Lift

Vote is still there for all intents and purposes. Unless someone else on the wagon wants to actually move off fer srs, it looks like we're at claim stage, fraulein Lift.

I'm off for the night but should be around as usual during day/eve tomorrow.

Not quite sure if I should read that straight or not. If you’re serious, there is no need to be sorry. We’re all looking for scum, it’s obvious we don’t all see things from the same perspective. I happen to believe your posts from the last day are an indication of scum floundering a bit. It’s nothing personal towards you.

I am generally against a no-lynch…except that game where I was the third party no-lyncher. If we lynch and hit scum, great. If not, we gain some clues to consider. With the deadline approaching, those with multiple votes are Lift, Hunter, and Dessimu. Of those, I’d be least comfortable voting for Hunter. I find the whole all-men debate a distraction. Lift has raise some red flags, so I am comfortable switching my vote.

I’d like to see CSPVG and Hyper go on the record of who they find most suspicious before D2 ends.
@CSPVG and @Hyper – who do you find most suspicious?

Time for bed, I should be able to check in briefly in the morning and then I'm off-grid until late afternoon (approx 7 hours before the deadline).

Funny. #367 is three hours and 3 posts away from your response yet you didn't take time to catch up to the thread before retorting with "Liar!" ?

4 hours away from this one and 5 posts away and now you vote based on me being a liar. OMGUS much?

I like how the word "prove" sounds.

Sorry guys, I honestly didn't realise that I'd been away for that long. I'm catching up on the thread at the moment, and so I'll be posting my notes as I go along (that's the plan, anyway).

I see Dessimu as a scum hunter.

He seems to be turning over every rock (so to speak) but his intentions look genuine.

So, some notes. Be aware that I have, at this point, only read up until post #330.

#302 - Lifth - I can understand voting for Hunter based on the first two reasons listed, but I really do think that pushing the last one - what I saw as a joke about anime - is a little harsh.

#306 - Dessimu - This is an intriguing argument, but for the fact that you included Krypsyn in the list of people that Hyper did not talk to or mention so as not to draw their attention or draw the group's attention to them. Even if Hyper is scum, he would most likely not have known that Krypsyn was a serial killer, and would therefore not have any reason to avoid talking to him other than genuinely not having much to say to him or thinking that he was not contributing anything that could be responded to. So I don't know how much malicious intent you can really ascribe to his actions.

Furthermore, I don't really like you attempting to link what appeared to be a joke about hair with Krypsyn's death (even if he was killed by a straightening iron or whatever). It seems like you're reading quite a lot into this, or rather that you are trying to take something which means very little and attempting to imbue it with malign intent.

Also, I really don't think that you can blame anyone for going after drealmer the way almost everyone did (myself included). He was acting rather strangely yesterday.

#311 - Dedo - Good points about Dessimu. I find the last one - about flub and Dessimu - to be the most intriguing. Now to see how Dessimu responds.

#315 - bler - What makes you say that trent is doing a good job at being Town-trent? Is he giving off some sort of usual trent town tell (it's alright if you don't want to share what this specific tell is) or do you simply believe that his general actions have been congruent with your usual impression of what a Town-trent acts like?

He really does seem a little off to me this game (but, again, I was rather bad at reading drealmer, so perhaps I'm way off).

#319 - Dessimu - You know, I'm still not sure how to feel about that whole day one situation. My silly flavour post is #39, you vote me in post #46 (clearly an RVS vote), then try to make something more of it in post #118. You've said that you thought it was just flavour, but if that were true why not just say so earlier instead of intimating that I was scum?

You then say, in post #125, something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing here), "I never implied that you were scummy, just that some things that you said were flavour related. Also, I still think you should explain why/if you find Leonard scummy."

I feel like this is a total reversal of your actual position (or at least what I understood it to be). I mean, you state, in reference to me, in post #118, "But the way you say this... Like scum, claiming dark prophecy to demotivate everyone." Is this not, at the very least, you implying that you think that I am scum?

Moving on, in post #127 you say that I do not have to bother explaining my nonexistent suspicion of Leonard, referencing my RVS vote for Krypsyn, but still say that I should share which subject I teach.

In post #129 you say, "Since we have a deadline and things are getting serious." and then unvote me.

In post #191 you then say that you were not trying to make me look scummy, as you would have pursued me more and voted for me if that were the case, you then touch on how little I have posted and say that you were only doing this to get my attention and are not painting me as scum, as you don't have any real read on me.

Again, I ask, what was the whole, "But the way you say this..." thing then? Are you shrugging that off as merely some flavour dashed off at the end of your post.

I feel as if you started out voting for me in RVS, tried to spin your vote into something more serious on rather tenuous grounds, and when it did not work you backtracked and claimed that it was just you realising that I'd posted some flavour (Why have a dialogue about this?) and then that you were merely trying to get my attention (To what end?).

So, I won't vote for you just yet (I still have some posts to read), but I feel like you've totally misrepresented some of my posts, backtracked, and then sort of shrugged and moved on to other targets. Some may see this as scum hunting, but I feel like you're trying to form wagons making accusations and seeing what sticks. Needless to say, I find this pretty scummy.

#326 - Dessimu - Who is trying to hunt serial killers instead of mafia, in your eyes? I haven't seen a single person do this.

#327 - Cristi - I will resist the urge to post a link to Bo Burnham's Left Brain, Right Brain.

@dedo The point that I had provided "inaccurate information" was the only non-flimsy point you provided if it had been true. And you actually managed to edit the exact part in which Leonard explains I wasn't first one to bring up that topic. That edited post makes it seem like I was.

Right, the only non-flimsy point. Totally. Even though I said

And later on I admitted I neglected a post link when HSL corrected me about it. Something you continue to refuse to acknowledge. What you mark as the "only non-flimsy point" is THE flimsiest of them all and bears the least weight in my reasoning.

I find it intriguing how you hard you're trying to base your defence and turn things around on me on what was probably the weakest point that I ended up giving away after I was pointed out that I'm mistaken about it. Seems like more deflection of the kind:

[i]- You made a slip about men disguised as women.
- It's an anime, not a movie. Also, not an anime.[/i]


As for editing things out - of course I edit things out. I try to keep focus on what is relevant to the point I'm making rather than quoting entire posts. It just happens that I missed something in the process. I suggest you to try what you are accusing me of doing on purpose some time and intentionally misrepresent another person's words (you can even try straight up change them for better impact, too). See how that goes and think how good idea it is afterwards.

Quick check in...CSPVG is catching up and nothing yet from Lift or Hyper...I'll have no internet/phone access until last this afternoon. Will check in then.

I quite like you when you're engaged. Useful post.

1) Agreed, which is still one of the things that bugs me about Lift's D2.

2) Agreed. Dess' D2 opening vote on Flub in particular I'm not a big fan of. Trent was a bit vague with his vote on Leonard, but at least in saying he's creating pressure I suspect he understands the onus would be on him to give a better rationale later if the wagon actually moves. Dess' vote looks like he's passing it off as pure RVS.

3) Like you I had looked at Trent's interest in 'certain' PM info as being unusual, but I went back to the Dungeon game and Trent was making the exact same binary division there: discussion of actions *received* good for town / other PM info bad. And he wasn't just town but a g'ddmn ANGEL that game. ;)

It also struck me that he was the 3rd vote on Lift and 2nd on drealmer, when that was his exact voting pattern as scum in Lift's game - he couldn't get on the main wagon fast enough. That said, in that game he was giving shadow reasons, and here I feel like he's at least making an effort to say something. It's also a) a small sample set, so the coincidence may be irrelevant and b) I haven't gone back through games where he was town to research his voting record. Might do that if Lift is the lynch and flips town.

I was a bit surprised dedo went so far as to say Trent was "town" rather than the common hedge of "leaning town." It was early enough in the day that he wasn't necessarily painting a target on Trent's back for N2 (opinions shift, after all), but again, I was surprised. My own response to dedo was a bit of a retort, and I was trying to be ambiguous about how I actually rate Trent for multiple reasons. Personally I only have one person as town atm.

4) This does give me pause. For me the high value move today is Dess vs. Lift, and Lift as scummiest. I would really like to see Dess address your questions. Heck, I'd also like to see Lift show up. We're 12 hours from deadline, yes, but only what 6-8 before everybody east of the Atlantic is off to bed.

5) lol, indeed. I've written this off as 'confused Dess' which I thought he exhibited the other game where he was town, vs. the polish he exhibited as scum, but....I can't exactly fault the people who are on him either.

The Dean sighed.

She looked balefully around at her distracted, quibbling staff.

"Whatevs," she said.

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VOTE COUNT

Lift (4) – Dessimu, trent, Leonard, Hunter
Hunter (2) – flub, dedo
Dessimu (2) – cristi, Lift


Not voting: bler

Never voted and may not even be aware that’s a thing: CSPVG, HSL

Lift is closest to lynch at L-2

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Deadline is in approximately twelve hours

#341 - bler - This is going to sound a little crazy, but I find the last setup option that you've listed to be the most likely.

Yog's last game was also a 13 person setup, with an 8 - 3 - 1 - 1 setup (Lifth was a Neutral Vigilante and Leonard was a Neutral Survivor). Now, these games are, of course, independent events, but I don't think that yog would go with something as 'boring' as 10 - 3 (which he obviously hasn't) or maybe even the 9 - 3 - 1 setup. I think that we may have another neutral role floating about (I don't have any evidence to support this, but I think it may be true, although speculation about this at the moment is rather pointless).

#344 - Leonard - So you have no meaningful reads, then?

#349 - Dessimu - See, again, I feel that this is a clear indication of you attempting to pin things on people and then hastily backtracking when called on it.

# 345 - Leonard - I did actually mean to get on the drealmer wagon at some point (and would most likely have hammered him), as I really did think that he was scummy. I missed out on the opportunity to do so, though.

#364 - trent - I would I were, but unfortunately I'm actually attempting to participate in the game at the moment.

#370 - yogsloth - What constitutes a meaningful, positive contribution, dear?

All I possess are the analytical skills of a particularly stupid carp and the wit of a slightly angry twelve year old.

I fear I'm in deep trouble if I actually have to be both meaningful and positive.

#327 - bler - I agree with this assessment of the Hunter situation. There exists a decent case to be made against him, but the men as women thing is being a bit overused in said case.

I would go so far as to say that I think it weakens the case to bring up the anime thing. It seems like a very flimsy reason to vote someone.

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In closing, I have HSL and bler down as leaning town, but that's mostly because I think they've been making a solid effort with their posts (I'm not sure if setting up an analytical equals town sort of equation is a good thing, but that's how I feel for the moment).

Also, Vote: Dessimu.