I agree, I suspect we all dislike someone and that it's flavor. I'll share mine if majority is in favor.

It was only for a moment and the moment's gone.

Time to brush my beautiful hair.

So, many people have already addressed the whole 'To Name or Not To Name' issue, and here are some notes that do more of that.

#99 - drealmer - Yes, or maybe it could just be that our names and dislikes could be fluff that is there to add a little something extra to the game.

I vaguely recall a similar situation in a previous game (I think that it was the last game that JoeSapphire modded). Now, while I know that, obviously, there's no relation between the current game and that one, I think yogsloth is doing something similar: using flavour to add an extra level of intrigue to the proceedings in a non-serious way, but nothing more than that (so, basically, it's just to add to our confusion).

There could, of course, be a scenario in which the names and dislikes are of monumental importance to the game, or a scenario in which some neutral role needs to kill players X, Y, and Z to meet their win condition, but I do not think that this is the case in this game.

Then again, I regard the names and dislikes as little more than trivial flavour.

#102 - drealmer - I don't quite see how revealing your character's dislikes makes other players any less likely to reveal their own names at some later stage.

My reading of the situation is that the dislikes of our characters are nothing more than initial impressions that they have from meeting one another. They therefore are not really relevant to us as players, and are only there to add a bit of intrigue.

So, if your contention is that the order of the reveals (dislikes before names or vice versa) causes others to not want to reveal themselves, I can see where you're coming from but think that you're making much too much out of all of this.

Now, if you were to argue for a possible neutral role with some agenda based on the names, thus giving them import and giving us a good reason not to reveal them, I'm all ears.

#111 - drealmer - Good grief, but you do place a lot of importance on flavour.

Firstly, the quibble with dedo over whether you were 'bothered by' or 'upset by' something seems to me to be a very silly argument indeed.

Secondly, my answer as to whether or not people would not want to reveal themselves after all our dislikes had been revealed is as follows: Since our dislikes do not appear to matter, no one should fear revealing themselves after the dislikes have been shared.

I think we need to state that there is a distinction between our characters' dislikes and how we as players perceive and act within the game. My character's dislikes do not inform my play on bit.

#118 - Dessimu - I have many other important questions.

What colour is the gravel I ordered?

Why don't I just give up on the letter 'u' and make GOG's spellcheck happy?

Why did yogsloth set the game in 1936, thus leaving me with only one Ayn Rand novel that my character would know of and can reference?

Most importantly, why are you so intent on horribly twisting a silly, flavour-driven post I made to portray me as scummy?

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In closing, my name is Dr. Charlotte Rand and for some reason i don't really like Dr. Tutu du Seize.

Glaring.

Staring, glaring, angrily brooding.

That was the Dean. Finally, deciding her lightning eyes weren’t getting the message across, she spoke:

“I am severely disappointed in this group. Some of you have barely said three sentences since we started. Apparently, we’re going to solve this via democracy. Which is fine, but there are NINE of you with votes right now – one apiece. That’s not going to get it done. Some of you are working hard, but some of you seem completely unmotivated.”

From behind her back, she pulled out a large, four-foot long wooden staff with two vicious looking metal prongs at the end. She slammed it down on the table, causing Dr. Hellas’ head to bounce and smack back down with a thwunk. Pressing a button in the handle, there was a sudden arcing spark between the tines and a loud zzzzzzzWAPing noise.

“This is my friend. I call him Zappy,” explained the Dean with a grim smile on her face. “I won’t hesitate to use him when I feel appropriate to… motivate my staff.” The group looked on in horror.

“Is that a cattle prod?” someone whispered.

“Ohhhhh yes, yes it is,” replied Dean Sloth, her eyes flicking across the room, searching for the offending whisperer. “And yes, it has totally been invented by 1936. I know this because I checked Wikipedia.”

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VOTE COUNT

HSL (1) – trent
CSPVG (1) – dessimu
Hunter (1) – cristi
flub (1) – Lift
Krypsyn (1) – CSPVG
trent (1) – flub
dedo (1) - drealmer
Leonard (1) – Krypsyn
drealmer (1) - Hunter

Not voting: Leonard, agent, HSL, dedo

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You have a new deadline

“Since I’m dissatisfied with this progress, and all this silly bickering about which woman at work you hate, I’m moving up the deadline.”

“You have approximately 36 hours.”

Deadline is 9 PM PST (GMT-8), tomorrow, Friday March 4th


Silence descended on the room.

Finally, the offending whisperer hissed again: "Where was she hiding that thing, anyway?"

How did I twist your post? Sorry, if I said something wrong, but please, be more specific. All in all, I figured talking about leaves and earth is flavor related, so I am honestly interested in what subject you are here to teach (you have not mentioned you profession yet). Nothing scummy. Then, you said about value of property decreasing. Makes sense. Again, flavor wise. While re-reading OP, I had pretty much same idea: "Mafia kills someone before grand opening; there is a big fuss; news get out; exclusive-to-be institute is no longer so exclusive". Then I saw you saying same thing. Interesting! (this is probably where you think I twisted your post) No, by no chance I am implying you are scum for speaking about property. Actually, I think THIS is your flavor-profession related. So again, who are you - what is your subject?

Saying that Leonard is responsible, however, is something different. I got your attention, so I would like to ask again - was it also silly, flavor-driven? Because it sounds like you know something.

Them watermelons are just secondary sex characteristics so that won't be enough. I still think that bump might actually be an Adam's apple.

What can I say... I'm a bad girl. My old friend Mariah would have liked that. I wanted to honor her memory.

I tend to do that when it's not as obvious as it seems to everyone.

Sort of EBWOP: never mind about the RVS suspicion on Leo. Didn't see you voted Krypsyn later.

Still, CSPVG, what is your subject? Mere curiosity.

Since we have a deadline and things are getting serious

Unvote CSPVG

I just found a very pleasant way to amuse myself. Copy - pasted Dean's vote count to Google translate; set to translate from English; hit *Listen*. Simply amazing.

Oh, and trying to translate "Krypsyn" alone automatically started translating "Krypton" instead. Totally not scummy.

Yogsloth certainly would not do so intentionally. He is a smart guy, and a good Mafia player, so I doubt he would makes any obvious slips. I am guessing he used a boiler plate PM for everyone, and just changed names/roles around as needed (It is the easiest way to keep things 'fair').

I am guessing everyone doesn't like someone else; I know I have someone I don't like, and others have said the same. If that is the case, and assuming everyone hates someone different (seems logical and balanced), it is unlikely for it to mean anything other that flavor. The only reason to have it in there is for the moderator to make players jump at shadows and/or make people targets when divulging the information. I approve.

Unvote HypersomniacLive

I guess RVS is over and we need to really put our heads together and work this out.

@drealmer7 why are you so focused on names and who doesn't like who? What does that matter in determining who is responsible for the murder of JMich? Focusing on flavor is only going to cause confusion, and that plays into scums hands. You sure do seem to be creating a lot of unnecessary WIFOM, and that's scummy to me.

Vote drealmer7

So you think there are game mechanics based on what people's names are? That seems highly improbable.

Yes.

You, my dear, are just jealous of my lovely British accent.

My thoughts exactly.

I think this is when I say...

Heh.

How is making an issue not being upset? You obviously wish it didn't happen so...

I understand what you are saying, but disagree, because I think it is flavour. And thus has no bearing on things.

Hello!

I make nothing of it, and I don't know if I dislike trent because I don't know his name.

I would be in favour of everybody sharing their names and dislikes.


And finally, is it just me, or is flubbucket talking more than usual?

Are you admitting to being scum?

Ahh, how I love to make a stir and see what rises to the top. Let's not dilly-dally any longer, ladies and not-ladies, we need to come to a decision openly and intelligently, not just have everyone tossing votes around in a frenzy. I'll try to address all issues that were had with my issues of the issues.

@dedo #114 just seems all sorts of antagonistic with no purpose

You're confusing intent with effect.

How are you a professor if you can't even read words accurately? COULD, not DO.

Because if everyone has the name of someone, then that just happens by default that some people have scum names as their dislike.

Please pay more attention. This is a serious matter. If you aren't going to devote yourself to this institute, you shouldn't be here. To me, it is scummy if you don't pay more attention.

Curious because the information has been revealed, even if that it hasn't been from a flip. Indicates to me that you could be lying about your name, though I don't find that very likely at all.

Yes, that's basically my issue with dedo currently.

I asked if they would to see if they would, not to find out who they are (that would have been a bi-product, obviously, but not my intent when asking the question.) My guess is that they wouldn't, and they haven't. It was more of a rhetorical thing. However, if they do/did come out and identify themselves after I asked if they would, I would find it more possible that my read on dedo's behavior would have become more irrelevant, but that is not what has happened.

WOW, that is filled with all sorts of scummy, HSL. I tire of talking and no one listening and if they do they are just using it as a means to paint me in a bad light and twist things around rather than try to understand them (as it seems to me you are doing, not actually trying to understand my issues, but looking for any reason to raise issue with my issues.) In the past I might have given a more thorough response. Now, simply know that you've pinged my scumdar hard a few places here and have moved up my suspicion list.

I find all of your counter logic to be moot because you disregard the possibility that meaningful information is hidden within the flavor. Meaning: some people could have dislike information in their PM that is pure flavor and means nothing other than to add a layer of intigue to the game, BUT, others could have dislike info. in their PM that points to scum, obviously the town player does not know that it is pointing them to scum, and to them it is essentially flavor, but I think it remains a high possibility that some people are pointed to scum, while others are pointed to pettiness. I think it could be related to intellect level, some teachers here are obviously smarter than others. This adds MORE to the intrigue, especially for the moderators watching, which is something I would consider yogsloth to have done and why I think it is not actually helpful to share this information currently. Then you go on to try and make me look more scummy by suggesting I've not considered a possibility that seems like the obvious thing to consider. No, I'm just being cautious IN CASE, because obviously name information doesn't help town much right now, and it could (I find this more possible to be the case) help scum plan and plot against us/turn us against each other.

I'm also much less interested in "doing myself favors if I'm town" (which I am) and more interested in doing what is pro-town so that we can win, whether that gives me heat or not or makes people dislike me, is fine, as long as it is pro-town.

I believe it could be sensible to share that information once the person has died. PlayerD dies, they flip NameName. PlayerB comes out and says "I didn't like NameName." Just information at that point to be added to information of future points. It could be useful, it could be distracting. Right now it is a bit of both, and I think that is what yogsloth intended.

Umm, you are a teacher, right? You do know the difference between a period (.) indicating a statement/declaration and a question mark (?) indicating a query? I ask because, NO, I didn't jump to any conclusion, I asked a question, trying to understand agentcarr's behavior. I'm scummy because I'm trying to understand? You obviously misrepresent me. Yeahhh, you were already quite high on my suspicion list, and there you will remain.

And if this is the case, dedo doing what he did does nothing but confuse and distract the real matter. Hence my vote on dedo.

We need to decide, are we going to make the name-stuff be what we vote around, or are we going to try and figure something else out to figure out who is likely to be most scummy? I want to know everyone's thoughts here. If we vote for name-stuff, my vote stays on dedo. If not, I'm curious as to what other avenue of voting we could/should take.

There's not much else to go on that I see, really, as D1 goes, and I'm sufficiently comfortable with voting any of 3 different players at this point for most-likely-to-be-scum. They are dedo, hunter, and HSL. Trentonlf, krypsyn, and agentcarr have also pinged my scum-dar every so slightly.

Agreed, hence my vote on dedoporno, it was just scummy distracting behavior with no ability to have the revealing of the dislike mean anything solid. This again re-iterates my logic. Had dedoporno waited until someone was dead and had that person in their PM, it would have made sense to say "hey, I didn't like them", doing it in the reverse only causes confusion/distraction.

Ummm, what? I'm not focused on that. I'm focused on the people who were focused on that/using it as a point of discussion when I didn't think it should be. Now because of my focus on that, it has become a point of discussion. Wade through the mess, see the original of the confusion. Unless you're scum and trying to make my wagon roll, of course.

Contradictory much? Confusing the situation much by interchanging player name with character name?
Why do you care about people's names and dislikes? Fishy.