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adaliabooks: Lift will tell me by PM if I get one (flavour wise I believe I check their body for documents similar to how the lynch flip info was obtained)

Not sure. I think he is probably town, and not one of my targets, but he may be HijacK's buddy. Possibly also P1na's...
If everyone else still wanted to lynch him I'd get back on his wagon (just in case more than anything else)
You mentioned to keep an eye on me and cristi, what gives you pause about cristi? Hyper mentioned her too and I'm not seeing it.
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trentonlf: You mentioned to keep an eye on me and cristi, what gives you pause about cristi? Hyper mentioned her too and I'm not seeing it.
Didn't get around to doing a reread on either of you, but cristi feels like she's popping up just enough to avoid suspicion while not really adding much to the game. As Hyper said it reminds me of her play as both scum and neutral (though that being said, those two games are a big chunk of my meta read on her so it could just be general suspicion hold over, hence why I was going to reread to see)
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bler144: unvote adalia

Just to get discussion in. DON'T FREAK OUT, IX!
Gotta admit, I AM freaking out just a little bit ;)

But for the moment he is behaving like a good neutral on his way out and I don't mind if HSL wants to pick his brain a bit.

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Leonard03: So the three factions are
1)mafia
2)a faction wanting to end prohibition
3)yourself
Is that what you are saying?

Regardless, I think we pretty much need to lynch you now.
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Ixamyakxim: This really isn't at all what he's saying, but it's interesting that you construed it this way, with a heavy skew toward mafia and no consideration for town (or a town of the three people adalia needs to lynch).
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Leonard03: 1) he just confirmed that's what he was saying.
2) I'm definitely going to vote him. I was being considerate and waiting for other people to weigh in.

@bler that was a joke! Can't a guy have fun playing this game?

Oh wait…
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adaliabooks: Technically four factions:
Town
Mafia
Me
Other faction

I don't really see that's the case. I'm fairly certain that there is a second scum team (which will probably be confirmed tonight if there are two kills), if my job is to kill that scum team then I have no anti town agenda.
If I've got it wrong and my targets are town, yeah you probably have to kill me.
No, he didn't. He confirmed what I originally stated - in your suggestion you totally discount the possibility of a town - or that it's the three people adalia has to lynch - and you include a massive mafia. That's a big slip.
OK, no-one has asked you the most important question yet - since you were the very first to vote to End Prohibition, do you now have to get on your own wagon?

Sorry, had to do it since I remembered that vote.

Did you ask Lifthrasil if they're a team of their own?
Didn't you ask him for specifics on how you'll know if you got one? I assume you got a PM for P1na. Didn't that shed some light on how this works?

You said you have powers, and you've been pretty ambiguous about having a night-action on N1. Are your powers used during the Night or during the Day?

Depending how those powers you claim to have work, the problem I see is that you'd be willing to vote for just about anyone till you find your targets. And if it takes you too long, you'd be assisting mafia to win the game.

Is there any way for you to win with mafia?

Didn't refresh, so maybe someone else already asked these.
Going to bed so this has to be quick...

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HypersomniacLive: OK, no-one has asked you the most important question yet - since you were the very first to vote to End Prohibition, do you now have to get on your own wagon?

Sorry, had to do it since I remembered that vote.

Did you ask Lifthrasil if they're a team of their own?
Didn't you ask him for specifics on how you'll know if you got one? I assume you got a PM for P1na. Didn't that shed some light on how this works?

You said you have powers, and you've been pretty ambiguous about having a night-action on N1. Are your powers used during the Night or during the Day?

Depending how those powers you claim to have work, the problem I see is that you'd be willing to vote for just about anyone till you find your targets. And if it takes you too long, you'd be assisting mafia to win the game.

Is there any way for you to win with mafia?

Didn't refresh, so maybe someone else already asked these.
No, that was to try to lure them out, didn't really work (not that I thought it would)

I did, he wouldn't say beyond what was in my PM.
I got no PM for P1na, he said he would PM me if I found one and only if I found one.

Night.

I have a cop power to find my targets, I tried to use it last night but was blocked. I can certainly see where you're coming from (and that is part of my reluctance to claim) but the less town left the worse it is for me too as the less likely I am to survive, or to be able to lynch one of my targets successfully.

I win as long as I lynch my targets. If mafia wins otherwise I still win, so yes.


And with that I do have to go to bed... which I know isn't really the best considering what's just happened...
I hope I might still be alive in the morning, and I'll answer more questions then if I am, but I kind of doubt I will be.
What's the count at, L-3 or L-2?
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Ixamyakxim: Heck, I even thought we had a nice little counterclaim, but no one bothered to see it.
We did? Are you willing to point it out?



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Krypsyn: Even if Leonard03 did jail HijacK, which is at least plausible, I am still fairly certain he is scum. Using a jail on HijacK, regardless of HijacK's alignment, does make sense regardless of whether or not they are scumbuddies. It gives a good alibi if there is a watcher investigating HijacK (which is also plausible, if that role exists in the game), and also if Leonard03 were to be tracked (which is plausible because he was high on the scum-list of some folks, including me). It is an easy "hide in plain sight" method.
This is a good point even though the whole thing seems like a scum team playing it extremely safe and not taking any risks (jail the vulnerable buddy to keep them safe from an SK/vig/another mafia nk and share it afterwards to work around potential tracking/watching). Seems a bit like wasted potential but I agree it's plausible.



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Leonard03: Ok, sorry people. I just lost everything I was writing in the past half hour, so you will have to stay tuned.
Lazarus form recovery! Use it!

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Leonard03: Yes I will join it, though I see below that Krypsyn has asked people to wait for a claim, which I agree with. I'm going to join it because his D2 posts have mostly felt like scum trying to keep his head above water. I hadn't really noticed that hammer, but his defense since then has not made him look good.
Unlike yours, right ;)



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adaliabooks: I'm a Lyncher, a slightly psychotic (judging by my PM) Puritanical preacher (Tommy Saturday) who doesn't want to see Prohibition ended. And I need to lynch, and be on the wagon of, anyone who wants to end prohibition, except I don't know who that might be.
But I heavily suspect that it's a second scum group as I do know there are three of them.
Development! These are getting better and better, too!

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adaliabooks: If all three targets are NK'd I win with town. If just one is I would still need to lynch the other two to win.
I haven't seen that role ever in play but isn't the Lyncher supposed to lynch their targets rather than just wait for them to die in whatever way?


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yogsloth: Worst case is. You are telling the truth and we lynch an anti-town neutral. Best case is you are lying and are scum. !
I'm gonna play a little devil's advocate here and say the the worst case is he is pro-town neutral who is hunting three anti-town players.


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adaliabooks: Lift will tell me by PM if I get one (flavour wise I believe I check their body for documents similar to how the lynch flip info was obtained)

Not sure. I think he is probably town, and not one of my targets, but he may be HijacK's buddy. Possibly also P1na's...
If everyone else still wanted to lynch him I'd get back on his wagon (just in case more than anything else)
Oh wait. So you lynched p1na yet didn't get info on him being one of your targets? Yeah, scratch the pro-town option.

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adaliabooks: I have a cop power to find my targets, I tried to use it last night but was blocked.
Man, your luck is terrible as opposed to your lynchees'.


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adaliabooks: I win as long as I lynch my targets. If mafia wins otherwise I still win, so yes.
Or if they die in other ways. Wait, what? I got confused again.



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bler144: What's the count at, L-3 or L-2?
I lost count of that but I will probably have to go back and check since I feel like kicking that number a notch.
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adaliabooks: [...]

I have a cop power to find my targets, I tried to use it last night but was blocked. I can certainly see where you're coming from (and that is part of my reluctance to claim) but the less town left the worse it is for me too as the less likely I am to survive, or to be able to lynch one of my targets successfully.

I win as long as I lynch my targets. If mafia wins otherwise I still win, so yes.

[...].
So you win if you get them lynched and are on their wagon, you win if they're NKed, you win with a combo of lynches/NKs, and you win regardless of which side wins so long as your targets die before you.
That's quite a lot of ways for you to win. And sorry, you don't have to single handedly kill three people, you just have to make sure they die in some fashion before you.


Does anyone see the appeal of keeping him around?
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HypersomniacLive: So you win if you get them lynched and are on their wagon, you win if they're NKed, you win with a combo of lynches/NKs, and you win regardless of which side wins so long as your targets die before you.
That's quite a lot of ways for you to win. And sorry, you don't have to single handedly kill three people, you just have to make sure they die in some fashion before you.


Does anyone see the appeal of keeping him around?
If he is telling the truth no, and it sounds so convoluted that I wonder if he is.
Eh, I'm off to make dinner and have some evening plans.

Since adalia is out for the night, I personally don't know there's anything else that's going to be forthcoming. Imo, it seems like even he doesn't understand his role entirely, whether that speaks to the uncertainty of the role or because he's bluffing it.

Since I don't know what the count is I won't vote now just in case, but expect I will re-vote when I get back.
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adaliabooks: I have a cop power to find my targets, I tried to use it last night but was blocked.
I know you went to bed but just in case you come around (and are still not lynched) - how does that cop power exactly work in the context of you finding your targets? If understood correctly you will be notified when you hit one of the targets (are you notified when they die in whatever way, too? Did you get something about JMich?). You got nothing for p1na who was scum. So it's clear you aren't hunting scum alone. How would a cop power help achieving your goal? Or is it not an alignment investigation?
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bler144: Eh, I'm off to make dinner and have some evening plans.

Since adalia is out for the night, I personally don't know there's anything else that's going to be forthcoming. Imo, it seems like even he doesn't understand his role entirely, whether that speaks to the uncertainty of the role or because he's bluffing it.

Since I don't know what the count is I won't vote now just in case, but expect I will re-vote when I get back.
He's got 5 votes (drealmer7, yogsloth, cristigale, Krypsyn, flubbucket), so he's at L-3.
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flubbucket: Unvote

Vote: adaliabooks
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adaliabooks: Oh look. I think I got one.

Unvote Ixam

Vote flubbucket
Not even remotely.
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Ixamyakxim: No, he didn't. He confirmed what I originally stated - in your suggestion you totally discount the possibility of a town - or that it's the three people adalia has to lynch - and you include a massive mafia. That's a big slip.
-_-
Town is a given, I was looking at the other town factions. Also, he was the person who said three, I understood him to be talking of 3 anti town factions.

@dedo You know what's ironic? One thing I forget in re-writing my post was asking you who Lazarus was.
Also, are you saying my defence makes me looks scummy? In the immortal words of Jar Jar - "How wude."

@bler I do believe it is at L-3.

Left to check in is Krypsyn, cristigale, and HijacK correct?
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dedoporno: I know you went to bed but just in case you come around (and are still not lynched) - how does that cop power exactly work in the context of you finding your targets? If understood correctly you will be notified when you hit one of the targets (are you notified when they die in whatever way, too? Did you get something about JMich?). You got nothing for p1na who was scum. So it's clear you aren't hunting scum alone. How would a cop power help achieving your goal? Or is it not an alignment investigation?
I'll take a guess, and say that since he's looking for people that want to end prohibition, I'd say it's some variant of Flavour Cop who gets hints/clues about their beliefs and goal on the matter.