Patience, all. adaliabooks has to do a lot of research and figuring out of the things before he (fake-)claims to make sure it all comes off as legit.

Nah, they worked it all out last Night.

Wall-of-text the second!

This is growing tiresome. We have already told you that using your telepathic influence was cheating in mafia.

Have not watched the show, but the board game is fun.

...

He he he.

Nope. I have too (naughty) cats.
I am, however, deathly allergic to rope. ;)

Only thing I know, is that I don't know who is on my team.

I actually do agree with you. Not sure if you will like that though :P

This is what is called a "scum slip"
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Do you still think yogs is scummy? You seemed quite convinced D1.

Heh.

It's a moot point but I certainly hope we don't remember it that way. I seem to recall town did exactly zilch on that info.

I look forward to it.

What? So if adalia is scum so am I? Come on! How about adaliabooks is scum, realized he was going down and decided to cause as much havoc as possible. How happy do you think the mafia is going to be when town lynches their own jailer?

You are becoming more and more scummy every post adalia. This is what I get from your post:
Looks like I'm Dead Either Way. (Sorry I couldn't find anything on YouTube)

Yes I will join it, though I see below that Krypsyn has asked people to wait for a claim, which I agree with. I'm going to join it because his D2 posts have mostly felt like scum trying to keep his head above water. I hadn't really noticed that hammer, but his defense since then has not made him look good.

I don't know what you mean. I don't think anyone has a "pressure" vote if that's what you're talking about.

Yes. I would say pretty much all of those are obvious posts that show I don't think P1na is a good lynch.

I disagree. Lets leave it at that.
For flub, I'm just trying to point out inconsistencies.

Heh. I know I write a lot of fascinating things you might want to respond to, but it's been over an hour ;)

No rush, though, I'm in and out today.

Actually, I've been working all evening and just came home and caught up.

I see the writing appears to be on the wall. Unfortunately, I have no magic bullet claim that's likely to save me like Leonard did.

As you've probably all figured out, I'm not town (when am I ever?)
But this time I'm not scum either.
Yeah, yeah. I'm claiming neutral. Total scum tell!
Sucks to be me.

I'm a Lyncher, a slightly psychotic (judging by my PM) Puritanical preacher (Tommy Saturday) who doesn't want to see Prohibition ended. And I need to lynch, and be on the wagon of, anyone who wants to end prohibition, except I don't know who that might be.
But I heavily suspect that it's a second scum group as I do know there are three of them.

I hammered P1na on the off chance he was one of my targets (he wasn't), but I was genuine about not being happy about it. Unfortunately you all hit it bang on the head when you said I really wanted to be on the wagon, because I did. P1na was definitely looking to be something, and if he was anti town then he could be on the team that I need to eliminate, so I couldn't risk not being onboard when that wagon rolled.

I very much doubt that's going to save me, or even that anyone will believe it. But that's the way the cookie crumbles.

I do have some powers, to help me with my search, but I've got to keep something back just in case I survive the day.

With everything else around him, I managed to overlook the significance the timing of this may have. Cheers.


I'm not proposing two mafia teams, though frankly, I find myself going from raised eyebrow to frowning back to eyebrow raising all the time, it kind of feels at times as if the room's filled with scum, haha. What was it you said about being paranoid?
Krypsyn's final note in his post #793 has stuck with me, and I should make time to re-read all those discussions and comments on the subject to see what everyone's on about.

So yes, I'm pondering a P1na-adaliabooks-Leonard03-HijacK team. HijacK got my attention with that comment of his I mentioned earlier, until then I hadn't thought much about him, and I know it's pretty thin to build a theory on. But it crossed my mind, and things seem to fit together. You may well be right that I'm reading things to fit my theory instead of the other way around; I've made a note to re-read the whole of the trio with as much objectivity as possible.
While I agree that blocking a cop/doctor/tracker is a reasonable, even expected, choice, Krypsyn covered part of why they'd might make the choice I suggested, even if HijacK isn't their scum-buddy. In case he is, it makes sense as mafia is in the minority and keeping as many of their teammates alive for as long as possible is crucial to their odds of winning. If they're the mafia team, they're already one man down, so can't risk losing one more on N1.

Now, why would one go after HijacK. I can't know if they had (have?) reason to assume a second mafia team, but I wouldn't rule out the danger of a vig-shot. HijacK may have not appeared to be on anyone's radar, but we assume this because no-one talked about him. Perhaps someone did find his play more fitting to a scum-HijacK than a town-HijacK.

And given that t, [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_crisis_at_space_station_epsilon/post1801]adaliabooks, , and perhaps even [url=https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_crisis_at_space_station_epsilon/post1847]Bookwyrm627, all of whom are in this game, have said that they wouldn't keep the vig-shot in their pockets (as yoglsoth keeps suggesting is the town thing to do), in reply to something HijacK had said back then, they may have felt more pressured to protect their own.

And as bad as it may sound, I wouldn't rule out someone being really curious to test what rule #11 entails, and if I don't rule it out, then perhaps they didn't either.

OTOH, HijacK may not be part of the team, but was useful to their plans. As I said, I hadn't thought of the four of them as a team until very recently, the composition may well be different.

Let's take your P1na-adaliabooks-Leonard03-Ixamyakxim theory. The problem I have with this one is following:
Ixamyakxim voted P1na with no hesitation, seemed to do so with Leonard03 too, and he's still pushing for his lynch.
If they're a team, would one of them be that ok with losing two of their members in the first two Days? Is he so confident that he and adaliabooks can carry the game all by themselves? What roles would they need to have to even attempt it? Unless the mafia team is larger, but how large that they can afford to lose two buddies this early in the game?
Now, I'll give you that his refusal to vote adaliabooks is suspicious, and could point to them being scum-buddies, that's a puzzle I have to look into by reading Ixamyakxim, as I haven't done it yet. Ixamyakxim enjoys casting and switching votes with little to no reasons given, which serves him well as scum.
You also may argue that adalibooks voted both of P1na and Leonard03, but you know what I think of his hammer on P1na, and I don't think his vote on Leonard03 was a sincere one either.

As for cristigale, you may want to read her posts in CSPVG's game, the vibe is the same for me. Her posts felt similar in RW's game too, but not quite the same, she was scum in CSPVG's game, third-party in RW's one.

Scum! Scum everywhere!
Oh right, you did say something about being paranoid.



Krypsyn already answered the last question.

As for the vig-kill, see my reply to bler144.


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Heh? Heh.



And this is why I said this game has been very entertaining.

I should have refreshed one more time before hitting the post button.

I take this back. This is why this game has been very entertaining.


Before anything else, please elaborate on this, not sure I understand what you mean.

Maybe that's because it is?

Why do you think I haven't been lynched yet? Because even the scum think I'm scum. I think both teams think I'm on the other, and neither want to kill off another scum (even on an opposing team) so early as it reduces their chances of winning. So they held off on my lynch in the hopes they could get someone else lynched (I think this is where Leonard comes in).

Anyway, can't see me living, so I'd keep an eye on trent and cristi. They were the too I was going to reread, but there doesn't seem much point if I'm going to be lynched.
trent feels off. Not sure why exactly, just not quite as involved as I've come to expect of him. cristi for all the reasons already mentioned, she's doing just enough to glide under the radar but I think she has ulterior motives.

My win condition is to lynch three people. I don't know who they are, but I know they all want to bring about the end of prohibition (as opposed to the Option 4 outlined in the OP which the mafia are supposed to want).
Hence why I suspect they are 1) not the main scum team and 2) affiliated together rather than three separate town/scum players (thought I suppose that's technically possible)

Believe it or not, I buy almost all of this. In fact, when I mentioned an (anti-scum) connection between you and drealmer, I actually thought it was drealmer who had the role similar to what you describe (the "breath sniffing" was a giveaway, as was hinting at a serial killer - while not a serial killer, it implied a role that was designed to "hunt" other characters and was violently pro-prohibition).

HOWEVER where I do think you're lying is hunting down a scum trio. I don't think you're hunting scum, I think you're hunting a faction that I originally thought you might be a member of. I see now you were just searching them out. Why should anyone believe these are scum and not town? Followup question - can you, adalia specifically win if you die?

Also, I'm sorry, I get it now. Whoops.

lol - Shut up.

So the three factions are
1)mafia
2)a faction wanting to end prohibition
3)yourself
Is that what you are saying?

Regardless, I think we pretty much need to lynch you now.

I don't know why Leonard found that last quote suspicious. Like everyone who is town should be miserable the whole game?

As for the rest...well, shit, adalia's post kind of threw a lot of things in the air. Maybe there are scum everywhere.

Huh.

That opens up a whole lotta worm cans. If true. But man, I'm such a sucker for big claims. I like it! Doesn't mean I won't lynch to confirm it, but man. If you're bluffing, kudos on going all-in.

I do think there's a logistical hole or two in the role:

1) you could have just voluntarily claimed D1. You know yogs would've if he'd drawn that role. Not to say it doesn't exist, but it would seem hard to balance around.
2) t's also mostly entirely down to RNG - what if a target gets NKed? Then you're screwed regardless of how you play.

That seems...IDK.

I think you just exploded my brain. Need to mull.

I'm sorry. This isn't going to work for me.



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Well at least someone does.

I don't know they are scum, I just suspect it. If there is another group of three players that aren't the main scum team (which seems clear as the choice they wish to vote for is different) then it seems logical they would be a secondary scum team rather then just a subset of town. But I could be entirely wrong.

No, not unless I've already achieved my win condition first (me winning wouldn't end the game, I checked). I have to be on the wagon of my three targets. If I die before any of them I cannot win.

Technically four factions:
Town
Mafia
Me
Other faction

I don't really see that's the case. I'm fairly certain that there is a second scum team (which will probably be confirmed tonight if there are two kills), if my job is to kill that scum team then I have no anti town agenda.
If I've got it wrong and my targets are town, yeah you probably have to kill me.