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First. A question for Hyper:
HypersomniacLive: Family stuff is calling me away, will be back at some point later today. If there's nth more to be said, and no-one has hammered till then, I'm willing to. Unless someone thinks we should wait until tomorrow, in which case, please say why.
You were so sure P1na was scum. Why weren't you on the wagon? Why didn't you hammer?
So we could talk more and gain more info? Or because you desperately didn't want to hammer your buddy day 1?
I'm not so sure.
HypersomniacLive: You want a hand getting there?
Yeah, why not. Or do you not want to put your vote on the wagon of a townie?
HypersomniacLive: That's not what we told him, and you know it, you just can't admit it, because back-pedalling now will only make you look even worse.
Let's look at the evidence shall we?
Post #1 by drealmer:
drealmer7: If you're town and have no interest in doing any of that, why are you playing the game at all? You're essentially not playing the game, just getting in the way of others trying to play. (yes I'm aware that this means I could be voting for a townie, but he is playing antagonistically to town in such a bad way, to me, that that is why I say it could be something that I call "policy vote for lynching.") It's not "not liking your attitude", it's thinking you're playstyle hurts town, so by that logic, voting you.
It seems like you simply might like to cause chaos in the game and that you don't really care about the game, which is possibly why you get lynched so much so quickly in games. Is this true? Again, can you at least answer
why do you play or why do you like to play this way?
Ok. He qualifies that by saying 'if you're town' (and he wasn't), but at the time drealmer did not know that so basically said P1na wasn't playing the game and was getting in the way of others who were. And asked him why he bothered playing.
Another one from drealmer, snipped and emphasised a bit:
drealmer7: I understand and appreciate your honest reply, P1na, and I believethat your play is consistent and doesn't necessarily mean anything either way (mafia vs. town), and I don't need every post to be super-analytical or deep or serious, feel free to joke, please, have fun, that is the point, but, don't impede town in the process....
But, for you, for me, it just digs even deeper than that against how I think the game should be played and I think the more we talk about the more that much of a disinterest in the game is more becoming a reason
for me to go for a policy-lynch (am I using that right, people?) on you or anyone else who behaves that way every game. It's nothing personal, really, just different playstyles that don't seem to mesh. As was said, it is very anti-town and
distracts from the game in a way I don't think is good for the game. This whole post by bler (snipped because it was long):
There are a few other bits by other players, but I don't find them to be quite as bad and more in the spirit of the game. But I really have trouble with these.
Even more so because I feel it's not the first time.
Has anyone seen CSPVG since RWarehall's game? I know he was never about the forums much, but I don't remember seeing him in the Mafia admin thread or the sign ups for the last two games. I'm hoping it's just internet issues (as he often has) but I can't help but feel all the shit yogs and others gave him that game may have made him uninclined to play again.
Most of you probably know I had issues with HijacK (I think we're mostly ok these days) when I first started playing. I didn't like how he played and almost stopped playing because of it. But I never thought he should stop because I didn't like his playstyle or attitude, I didn't like it and would have bowed out if it spoiled my enjoyment of the game. I would not have said he shouldn't play so that he didn't spoil my enjoyment of the game.
This is going beyond the bounds of this game now, but I feel it needs said. By all means, lynch someone for lurking or being unproductive and unhelpful, but saying that if that's the way they are going to play then they shouldn't bother at all is pretty shit.
And back to analysis and responses.
HypersomniacLive: You know adaliabooks, the more you talk the more it looks, sounds and smells like a plan you knitted with your buddies.
adaliabooks: [...] Oh, and I forgot to mention. I was locked in my room last night. I presume a roleblock or Jail.
HypersomniacLive: Forgot to ask you earlier - why do you only presume?
That's funny, is it the same plan yog's outlined later on?
Quite frankly, if I knew a Coroner was likely to exist (because I was scum and my team had a Janitor) I'd be more inclined to not scrub the flip to make yogs look bad. Because surely someone not flipping pretty much guarantees yogs is the coroner and telling the truth?
That would be telling wouldn't it?
I say presume because I'm not going to reveal (at the moment) whether I did or didn't have a night action to perform. Maybe I know it was a block, maybe I don't. But I feel it's important to share the fact. Particularly as I don't seem to be the only one.
And you've got to ask yourself. If I'm scum (or seen as scum by many of you) then why hasn't my blocker claimed the action? If it's a set up with one of my buddies to make me seem more town (or prove I couldn't have done the night kill) then why haven't they claimed it? If it's a genuine block by town then why haven't they claimed it?
You're all so convinced that you've got the right person that you are completely blinded to the larger intricacies of the game going on around you.
yogsloth: I had kinda promised myself I wasn't going to play Day 2 all uber-serious and whatnot, and I still ain't gonna bother, but look here my people. It's pretty clear that after P1na's inexplicable implosion, Scum team found themselves in a pretty bad position last Night. (That's gonna be one entertaining Scumchat to read later!) It looks like their gameplan was to go for one of those "we'll kill the guy that won't mean anything to anybody" kills, clean it up, and then try to coordinate and implicate me by implying my soft-claim was intended to disguise that I'm a Janitor. Swing bler and trent back to their side, hope that pulls Ix back as well, then pile on and try to buy another day.
Pretty desperate, but their position really was utterly screwed.
And I can pretty much guarantee I'll be killed tonight out of spite. (Especially if we leave adalia alive, LOL!)
Really?
You know who comes up with those kind of plans?
You.
And you seem pretty certain that bler, trent and Ix must be town.
And believe me, I mean this with the utmost affection, if I was scum you would already be dead.
drealmer7: Vote Adaliabooks ok, now back to reading...oh wait, I just had the thought that that might be a bad idea, to vote without knowing the vote count (accidental hammer or whatever) but ummm, nope, that's okay for me with that vote if that is what happens.
And whatever happened to 'Oh know, we can't possibly kill anyone! The humanity, the humanity!" drealmer?
You seem veeeerrry desperate to see me dead. Uncharacteristically so.
And you mentioned that you didn't really care whether P1na was town or scum when you voted for him yesterday, again not at all like you're previous stance of 'don't kill any townies'
I wonder why that could possibly be?
bler144: adalia was against or ambivalent about the wagon, and then hammered when it was inevitable.
Please point out where I said I was against or ambivalent (other than the post where I actually hammered, you know)
More pushing for my lynch from drealmer
dedoporno: What happened to "Alea iacta est"? I thought anyone was fair game for lynching on day one and for even less meaningful reason.
Lynching for no reason is fine by me. Lynching for in game reasons is fine by me. Lynching for a joke a player made and then telling him he shouldn't be playing if that's how he's going to play, not so much.
Ixamyakxim: I think he is scum and can cause a no flip - if that's the only option for a role then yeah I could see that… 
