How nice of you, to take pity on my punishment (sarcasm)
I'll keep it in mind for a future game's moment

Bler is no longer impressed with my rapping skillz
instead he's probably distressed about attracking the kill (during the day, from town is what I mean)

(because)

yes, that reply definitely didn't come across as telling me what I should or shouldn't do,
Instead, to me, it just came across scummy-poo, foo,

and I think perhaps we should shift focus to you! (You would quote, but, eh, fuckit, you'd rather just be scummy and give excuses and antagonize. You know how much effort I'm putting in over here, man!? You could quote!)

Not that I suggest shifting votes, not at all
I think this P1na matter needs finished (despite alignment)
We need to get the anti-town people diminished
Tomorrow hopefully we can get scum to fall.

I fear I may have drawn the ire
Of scum and tonight I could expire

I don't know what else to say,
I'd like to be done rhyming alreadAY.

If you sense, an urgency on my part
To get the day finished, and the next 2 to start (if I live....I feel like a target, why do I always feel like a target? from like, so many people potentially! is that normal, because I've not played that many nights in mafia games yet...I think it was all that SK talk got me scared and now this antagonism going on with bler, which I wasn't really going for at all! gah!!! it's like "okay, bler might not kill me because of how the attention is, but, maybe bler is town and someone ELSE will kill me to make it look like bler, and GAHH!!)

it is because, I'm stuck doing this (it's driving me insane. new study: talking in rhyme leads to paranoia!)
It's annoying to me and for you not bliss (I'm sure.)

Wow... just wow. I thought me and yogs (and Bookwyrm) talked a lot...

We've got nothing on bler and drealmer... if you two talk a lot in PM you must have written a novel by now...

Anyway, on to the game!


So, main thing on the table is P1na. I think at this point there is no other option but to finish the lynch, town or scum we need that flip. I really can't see another wagon forming before the deadline tomorrow either.

But seriously. Seriously people, WTF ARE YOU DOING!

He supposedly claimed Neutral Survivor.
Day 1.
How did anyone think that was not a joke? How did anyone take that seriously enough to place a vote?
Let's say he's scum. What does he gain from suggesting that, other than quickly lynched?
Ditto for town really.
Flub basically did the same thing (except he hinted at being a Serial Killer), and did anyone other than drealmer (who seems overly preoccupied with Serial Killers) take that seriously? No, because we all know flub has not just claimed SK! Because it's flub, and it's a joke!

Right now I'd much rather lynch drealmer as he's ringing all kinds of alarm bells. Leonard's vote swapping around the massive elephant in the room of P1na's wagon is also a consideration.
But really you've left little choice, it's P1na or nothing. And while I don't generally have a problem with any lynch (you know me, Kill Kill, Kill them all!) I really don't like the precedent we're setting for lynching someone for their playstyle and for what should have been very clearly a joke... cause I can see that leading to a very boring future for mafia.

But so be it.

Vote P1na

Since no one else wanted to do the dirty deed. Let's see what we've got.

I hear where you're coming from and maybe I wouldn't have went that far if it was just that. But p1na didn't stop there. He switched to soft-claiming Town vanilla (or did you miss that)? And at L-6 (Krypsyn said L-5 but I'm pretty sure p1na had only 3 votes at the time) at that. He himself stated that he won't be as involved and/or as helpful as we would expect from him so in the best case scenario where he is just uninterested Town he is a distraction.


JMich said he would and not that long ago, either. You do follow the thread, no? There was no need to jump the gun.


Anyway, what's done is done. Let's see what happens and we can continue this discussion Tomorrow when we have some additional information to work with.

That's true, and part of the reason why I went ahead and hammered. His behaviour after the initial joke has not been great, but I still don't like the way the wagon formed.

True, and so did Hyper (I think). But they didn't. I'm not entirely keen on the holding back on voting when there is no actual need to, P1na clearly isn't coming up with anything new and any other conversation can be had Day 2, with P1na's flip and probably a NK flip in hand to help.
Why wait till the deadline? The best that could happen is we lynch P1na, the worst is the wagon falls apart and we no lynch. I really can't see another wagon reaching Lynch before the deadline.

I'm here, but it looks to be over.

Already really late in Germany, so I assume we will have to wait quite a while for official Day end.

I don't believe that claim is necessarily true (because, yes, it'd seem odd otherwise.)
For me it wasn't the issue of joke-claims or beers
It was the choice of playstyle that got them their due,
So here's to you, P1na *clinks a beer for you*! cheers!

Regardless of who your character was
it sucks it had to go down with the reason "just cause" :

(which is essentially adalia's reason for dropping hammer vote "just because it needed to be done." Not because he thought P1na is scum or at least anti-town behaving in anyway. It's not just the immediate playing of P1na that I take issue with either, it is what was declared the playstyle will be for the rest of the game and always in games, to not really take it seriously and joke around a lot and treat it however they want to regardless if they are town and it still hurts town to be behaving that way. You don't find that anti-town enough to be vote-worthy? Makes no sense to me, really. Also, adalia takes issue with all of our issues with P1na, criticizing practically all of them I think, and then goes along and casts the killing vote. Interesting. Not that I don't disagree that it needed done. Just. Interesting.)

Sorry for the drop of rhyme, but I've been doing a lot of it this whole time

I did not take seriously flub being an SK,
What I take seriously is the possible existence of one, okay?
It's a high-number game, and in the era of the mob
so I had fun theorizing what their role could involve (if one were to exist in this setup.)

flub is just acting a little bit strange
a little more aggressive than last game

I'm not preoccupied with the idea at all, stop bringing it up, k, ya'll? (To be clear, I mentioned the idea once after flub's joke about it and bookwyrm's response to it. I then brought the idea back up a little bit later as simply something to discuss if anyone thought it might be something to discuss, nothing serious[as in no SERIOUS reason to ACTUALLY think there is a SK, just a possibility to THINK about] /pressing at all in my bringing it up. It then got confused that I was the originator of the SK existence idea, and so I had to spend time clearing that up, and by that time ppl are trying to make it look like I'm obsessed with a serial killer idea. Gah! Just like last game I was "obsessed" with the no-lynch, when I wasn't at all, I was just talking about it a little and it got blown out of proportion and skewed. Seriously, I'm totally done talking about it now if you all are. Just like I was the lynching. Hopefully you won't crucify me next time I might decide to mention it just for mentioning it because 'OMG HE'S MENTIONING SOMETHING.")


[ Tell me, if you would please,
why you've got bells ringing for me.
If I recall in the last game, you did the same. (for a bit all through the game after you joined, picking up right where HSL had left off being scummy, and then even harder a bit with that JMich and me stuff.)

Oh but then you were scum
That's right! Don't think I'm dumb!

You have bells ringing for me too.
Wait til tomorrow, I suppose, then we'll see what we do.

And just so you know, that is not a threat,
It's just: on with the game, let's see what we get!

We've got our eye's on each other, that is fine.
It's good to be cautious, with our lives on the line.

Trying to do some re-reading from the last two days or so, and did I just see that drealmer's punishment lasts until the end of Day2‽

Can we petition the mod to be a little lenient here? I really don't think I can take that.

I posted the prior without refreshing to see there was a second, more agressive response. Ah well. I can also answer that post with the following couplet to answer both:

"Meh.
Also, Heh."

The real beauty of it is that you can flip it around as needed! Feel free to borrow as needed.

I don't have any antagonism, but... Last game I wasn't even playing - you asked me for some feedback/advice. I gave it, and you didn't like it. Any of it. Would you agree with that? I would dare say from my perspective you were somewhere between "bristly" and "dismissive." Of someone who wasn't even in the game. Despite having reached out to ask. You just have your own idea of how to play.

Here I'm not even pointing the finger at you and you're somewhere out beyond bristly, somehow managing to find OMGUS in a non-accusation. It's kinda impressive, actually.

Now, the pattern of our communication about playstyles over the last few weeks, even before the game, is a little frustrating, admittedly, but also somewhat amusing. Also, in the scheme of things, not a big deal. I think I noted in the prior post I was convinced I was going to be the NK every night in game 29, but I lived. Make of that what you will.

You'll probably hate this as well, but as a metaphor, let me say that I think you currently (and I used to in my first two games) see the game like a geocentric system. The game, however, is really a heliocentric system.

Looks like we have a hammer, so this is probably my last installment for D1 as I'm back out for a bit.

Hold up.

I'm going to assume you're referring to my post #309. You should reread it because I'm am talking about games from my distant past.

I'm not talking about myself. I talk about my previous experiences.

See how information gets muddy so easily??

You do make a good point. I don't like at all the reasons for which P1na has been voted, but there is no other viable wagon. And there is not likely to be another viable wagon before the deadline tomorrow.
I don't see any point in holding out for another 12 - 24 hours just to see what happens. I'm sick of taking every day to the deadline so every day drags on and on and on.
With that in mind, there wasn't really any choice but to finish P1na and see what happens. I could have left my vote on you (hmmm, with that in mind...)

Unvote drealmer7
Vote P1na

Or voted for someone else who I found scummy but it wouldn't have done any good. And as I have previously advocated (read yogs game, I'm not repeating the arguments again) any flip is good for town, so whether I believe in P1na's lynch is irrelevant. Whether he is town or scum is irrelevant, all that matters is we get a flip.

Who knows, he might actually be neutral, or scum, but whatever he is a flip is a flip and better then nothing (or spending another day reading massive walls of text)


As for the rest... all I see is:

Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer Serial Killer

And you tell me you're not obsessed?
It's not just that, but as you have pointed out I did say the same last game (and that was an honest assesment, same as I would have made had I not been scum. In fact I had already thought you were scum last game before I was subbed in, ask Quad I PM'd him a couple of times saying they should totally have lynched you day 1) it could just be a clash of attitudes so I will certainly keep that in mind.

Where do I sign?

This. I actually meant to have this in my reply to his hammer, but "A new hope" is on TV right now, I got distracted and forgot about it. No much point in going about it now, let's see what happens and we can get back to it Tomorrow if needed.



It practically makes him write less text, so it's not that bad, even though I find the parenthesis thing cheating :P

Sorry flub. You are indeed correct and did no such thing now that I look back... I completely misremembered your post (coupled with drealmer's interpretation of it) and mostly made that up.

I'll replace the example with yog's joke softclaims / breadcrumbs then which amounts to the same thing (just without claiming scum/neutral)

Wait, what? Haven't you already hammered P1na an hour ago? Have I missed something?

I agree with this, and actually, that's how it was
It was decided to go longer than D1 because:
D1 was about over, it seemed to the mod and me
and it seemed I needed more from the punishment god, you see

But at this point, yes, let me be free
Hell, let us all be free, before we're all creaazzyyy!

I'll try not to post much more in the meantime
because ARRRR, it's just about SCREAMTIME!

I at least have to say, at least I'm not dead
that was something surely to dread.

I give you my leaving, I'm sure it's relieving
Because it is for me too, probably more than you or you or you!