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Krypsyn: I meant in terms of lurking. In most games I played with you, you tended to post less than average, unless my memory is faulty ... again.
That... may be true. But let's face it, it's not like my posts are going to be that deep anyway. I just drop by the forums a couple times a day, see what's cooking and that's that. I realized on my first game that the whole second guessing and deep thinking wasn't my thing; specially on the first day when there's not that much to step on. So, now when I play, I just fool around and only get somewhat serious when I feel things are serious. It's fun for me. I understand some people may have a problem with that, and even though last time I brought it up it wasn't taken as a bad thing, it's not like I can't understand why you would vote for me.

I mean, it's Friday night and I'm in Belgium *notices forgetting to switch locale and hurriedly fixes it*. I do want a beer. Is town going to give me a beer? However, I don't get to choose my role. Otherwise, I would have killed a cop or two by now.
Okay, I think the server gnomes ate my reply, so let me try again. Hopefully it won't suddenly become a double post.

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Krypsyn: I meant in terms of lurking. In most games I played with you, you tended to post less than average, unless my memory is faulty ... again.
That... might be true. But let's be frank, it's not like me posting any more frequently will make my posts any deeper. I just drop by once or twice a day, see what's cooking and react to that. I understand you might have a problem with that, and I won't hold it against you if you find it a reason to lynch me, but this is how the game is fun for me therefore I play this way. I'll only get somewhat serious once I feel the situation get pretty serious.

Plus, it's Friday night and I'm in Belgium *notices forgetting to update the profile location and does it now in a hurry*. I do want a beer. I just don't want to die for one. My loyalties lie with alcohol, unfortunately, I don't get to choose my role. Otherwise, I would have killed a cop or two already.

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yogsloth: Uhhh... did you just...
Maybe? Let me put it this way: if I've said something that could be taken in two ways, and one is very very very bad; I meant the other.
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P1na: Okay, I think the server gnomes ate my reply, so let me try again. Hopefully it won't suddenly become a double post.
I am guessing your posts per page is "x", where x(mod 20) = 0.

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P1na: Maybe? Let me put it this way: if I've said something that could be taken in two ways, and one is very very very bad; I meant the other.
Heh.
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Krypsyn: I am guessing your posts per page is "x", where x(mod 20) = 0.
Yup, that was indeed the case. After the second post I switched to 50 and there was my post. Both of them.

Now, feel free to have fun and spot the differences of what I said on my first impulsive reply and the second, more thought out one. I'm sure you'll find tiny traces of my psyche that you can use to discover my true game identity, which will inevitably lead to my death.

Unless I planned it all, and those traces are misleading on purpose. MWAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!! Oh who am I kidding, I'm not smart enough for that.
EBWOP

Actually, a better, and broader, way to put it would be:

Your post count is 'x', where 421(mod x) = 1
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Krypsyn: EBWOP

Actually, a better, and broader, way to put it would be:

Your post count is 'x', where 421(mod x) = 1
That makes less sense. Or do you mean x is his posts per page?
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P1na: .... He clearly can't be a supporter of the dry law.
No Sherl Shitlock!!
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agentcarr16: That makes less sense. Or do you mean x is his posts per page?
Yes. I meant 'x' to be the same as in the first example .. bleh.
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P1na: On this one game at least there's a chance at getting drunk, so if you ask me, I think the mafia winning and me surviving would be a tentative win. Mafia people, please let me know how much you'd charge for a beer? If it's reasonable, I'll consider helping you out. For example, by unvoting flub. Because come on, the dude has *bucket* on his name. And what goes in buckets? Liquid. He clearly can't be a supporter of the dry law.
Unvote yogsloth
Vote P1na
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adaliabooks: But don't worry, let's sit here till deadline on Monday and then just lynch yogs because it's easy. Yay!
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dedoporno: Considering you are pro lynching a random person just for the sake of getting out of D1 with a secured lynch shouldn't yog be a legitimate choice? You already said you would lynch him to avoid no lynch, so why do you present lynching him because of a lack of better choices on deadline as a bad thing (or at least sub-optimal, give the tone and sarcasm I felt)? I mean, it may be bad for others that don't share your standpoint and for sure in hindsight if he flips Town, but I don't see why it should be a not good choice for you. If I were a cynical man I'd say that this feels a bit like setting up an early escape for taking part on lynch that will flip Town.
Yup, if you all wanted to jump on board and lynch him now I'd be fine with that. I think balance of probability suggests he's town, but his flip either way gives us more info then a No Lynch would.
It's the waiting around till the deadline that annoys me. And the fact that no one else shares my enthusiasm for just lynching and getting on with it (bar Ix) yet they will still just lynch anyone when the time comes because there is a deadline.

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drealmer7: Maybe P1na has some information about flubb somehow? Maybe flubb is the SK and we should eliminate asap?
Emphasis added.

I'm not usually one to push on things like this, but it's day 1 and their's bugger all else going on.

The SK, as in; one you know exists? That seems an overly strong assumption given absolutely no evidence to suggest there is a SK.

Hell, I don't see any better place to park a vote, so why not.

Vote drealmer7

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JMich: I'm with Krypsyn on this one. Random votes are bad, because the justification for the vote is "The die told me so". Thus nothing can be gained about the motives behind a vote, which is quite bad for town.
Krypsyn does also vote without explaining his vote on the same post, but he does usually elaborate when asked about it. Whether the explanations are enough to remove suspicion or if they enhance it is a different matter, but he does offer explanations and excuses that can be analyzed. The random.org explanation is not a sufficient one, unless random.org is playing in that game, in which case it becomes a very suspicious explanation.
Ok, I will give Krypsyn that, although that's not always been the case when I've been playing with him...

But look at it this way, there should only be a few "random" votes on a wagon as any vote after that would presumably not be random (unless we all randomly voted the same player at once) and those could be analysed. So at worse you only lose a few votes worth of analysis.
I know I'm never likely to convince people on this one, but I don't think we're playing the RVS part of the game right and that's why day 1 sucks so much.
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adaliabooks: [...]

Prepost edit:
And I see Krypsyn has voted me for my random lynch joke... I'm tempted to actually place a random vote now, but I'd like to make it passed day 1 as town, it's been a while...
Just like that other time, eh? When you claimed to have placed a random vote? Which you then took back because of popular demand? And not because you were scum trying to throw us off by voting and unvoting your scum-buddy? Eh?


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adaliabooks: [...] it was something I hadn't noticed or picked up on, [...] information that we all had available to us [...]
So, if you notice things, it's OK to dig into them, else not. Will keep this in mind. ;-)



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Krypsyn: Nope. Sometimes it is just useful to note that I have an objection or perception. If folks get it (and this does occur), it is a bonus, but, if not, although you imply otherwise, I do usually elaborate later on.

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I don't see how I implied anything, pretty sure I didn't imagine those exchanges of yours I referenced in my previous post.


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Krypsyn: [....]

It should be obvious, given the timing of my vote.

[...]
Well, it's not obvious to me, since I'm questioning you about it. And no, I don't see what the problem is with his post #27, if that's the post you're referring to.



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dedoporno: I[...]

So, just go for the least harm townie to get things going? Did you by any chance attend adalia's classes on "D1 lynching 101"? I can't say I like your vision of going through D1.

[...]/
It's the same vision he had last game, and probably the same he'll have next game. That's not to say that I like it, didn't like it last game (and not just because I wasn't town back then), don't like it this time, won't like it in the future. But I don't see it bothering others.


Perhaps I'm the only one that didn't have a dollhouse.

But since you got it, do you think his vote was justified at that point?



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Leonard03: [...]

@dedo watching and waiting for slips, mistakes, strange behaviour...etc.

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While sitting in the shadows and doing nth so that you yourself don't make any slips, mistakes, acting strange, etc.?



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flubbucket: [...]

Like I stated clearly....the tacit general acceptance.

yogsloth must be town because he always does that.

CSPVG must be town because he always does that.

trentonlf must be town because he always does that.

Krypsyn must be town because he always does that.

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You forgot to put you own, and a couple of others', name in that list.

I don't recall you going after any of the above for the reason you say though.

If that is indeed the reason you're voting yogsloth, why him and not one of the others that are playing this game?

And since when anything Krypsyn does must make him town? I thought it was the opposite.



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Bookwyrm627: There are a couple "Yeah, what he said" 's that I haven't thrown out, but I think I've mentioned most things that made me cock an eyebrow.

To move things along a little more, I'll go ahead and throw down a vote.

Vote Ixam.
Mind sharing why you're voting him?



I was about to agree with Krypsyn that P1na reminds me of CSPVG's play in terms of the excessive lurking, when a refresh revealed a number of posts by him. Not sure what to make of them, a few (too many) questionable things dressed up as light-hearted fun. I've not played with him before, so no idea if he indeed enjoys joking around, but it's a bit too easy and too convenient to say eyebrow-raising things, then chalk it up to joking to get a free pass.
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adaliabooks: [...]

Prepost edit:
And I see Krypsyn has voted me for my random lynch joke... I'm tempted to actually place a random vote now, but I'd like to make it passed day 1 as town, it's been a while...
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HypersomniacLive: Just like that other time, eh? When you claimed to have placed a random vote? Which you then took back because of popular demand? And not because you were scum trying to throw us off by voting and unvoting your scum-buddy? Eh?

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adaliabooks: [...] it was something I hadn't noticed or picked up on, [...] information that we all had available to us [...]
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HypersomniacLive: So, if you notice things, it's OK to dig into them, else not. Will keep this in mind. ;-)
Thing is... you may not believe it, but that vote was genuinely random. It just happened to land on CSPVG, but while I was tempted to role again I thought screw it and went ahead anyway.

Yes! Now you've got it! ;)

Although considering you're imploring us to consider scum to be intelligent, suggesting that anyone might have missed yog's claim seems to be crediting the players with a low level of intelligence or interest in the game...
(And before you say anything, I know you haven't actually said that, but suggesting that anyone may not have picked up on yogs claim in the way I hadn't picked up on the details you had in that other game amounts to the same thing as far as I can see)
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HypersomniacLive: I don't see how I implied anything, pretty sure I didn't imagine those exchanges of yours I referenced in my previous post.
Post 335. You wrote: "Well, at least you don't deny that you have no intention to enlighten the rest of us that don't get your reasons."

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HypersomniacLive: But since you got it, do you think his vote was justified at that point?
Good question.

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HypersomniacLive: And since when anything Krypsyn does must make him town? I thought it was the opposite.
Me too.
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HypersomniacLive: I was about to agree with Krypsyn that P1na reminds me of CSPVG's play in terms of the excessive lurking, when a refresh revealed a number of posts by him. Not sure what to make of them, a few (too many) questionable things dressed up as light-hearted fun. I've not played with him before, so no idea if he indeed enjoys joking around, but it's a bit too easy and too convenient to say eyebrow-raising things, then chalk it up to joking to get a free pass.
What can I say? I haven't been spending as much time on the forum lately, but tonight I didn't quite like the game I was intending to play so I'm hanging around longer, therefore posting more. It seems everyone is basing their play on how previous games went, so let me give you (and anyone else who cares) a fast rundown:

1st game: I was some kind of town bodyguard, slipped some joke about wanting to "protect everyone", was killed by mafia on first night. Murdered by JMich, IIRC.

2nd game: I was a thief, town or neutral. Was fun stealing people's stuff, and I actually survived long enough to discuss the mechanics and exchange the info I discovered by sneaking into others' rooms. Most fun game so far, I got nightkilled by mafia eventually but was fun while it lasted. I don't remember how the game ended after I was dead.

3rd game: I believe I was taking over for someone else, some kind of aliens with power to read the dead thread? I was traveling in Japan at the time and it was a slow game, so I lost interest and the game didn't end well.

4th game: I replaced someone else, got nightkilled before I could even post.

Did I miss any?
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flubbucket: Krypsyn must be scum because he always does that (also he is always scum).
Here, I fixed that for you :) I kid though, I have no actual read on Krypsyn just yet.


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Leonard03: @dedo I realize that generally its not the best to talk about game mechanics early in the game, but in this case maybe we should. Because what if it means something like they take less votes to lynch?
The wording seems off to me to be that. Even though lynching is technically killing it's supposed to be less... hm... nefarious. As for why I think we should keep this discussion for Tomorrow or whenever we have more information, the reason is pretty simple. We don't have any useful official information to work with. This means that all discussion will be pure speculation and assumptions and these are dangerous. They are also a distraction. There is also potential for accidental secret information disclosure while the discussion goes which is also not something we want happening (unless scum do it, but statistically the chance of that should be around 4 times smaller and we may not have the necessary knowledge to actually catch that).




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trentonlf: Hijack seems a lot less interested in the game so far than he normally does, not sure if he's trying to avoid posting too much because scum are easier to catch the more they post or if as he said he really doesn't like day 1 and he finds it hard to get involved.
I disagree on that. Yes, when he posts it's more about some non-game related stuff, but he participated a lot more in the last couple of days than I expected from him.


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trentonlf: @ everyone this is a good question, Is there anything you have found to be off so far?
Nothing of serious proportions. Small bits here and there, but not enough to go on it right away. I'm mostly giving Ix and adalia the bad eye, I don't like the way Leonard is waiting for stuff to happen, cristi/p1na and somewhat HijacK are too non-present for my liking and of course flub/yog/reactions deserves a lot of attention.


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yogsloth: flub is voting for me not because of my specific playstyle then, but rather as a general crusade to punish players who play too similarly from game to game.
Come on, man! That's even worse than before.

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P1na: On this one game at least there's a chance at getting drunk, so if you ask me, I think the mafia winning and me surviving would be a tentative win. Mafia people, please let me know how much you'd charge for a beer? If it's reasonable, I'll consider helping you out. For example, by unvoting flub. Because come on, the dude has *bucket* on his name. And what goes in buckets? Liquid. He clearly can't be a supporter of the dry law.
Wtf?!

@trent, p1na kicked it up a few notches. Like a whole bunch of notches.

@p1na, this is where you start to get more involved and explain yourself.


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HypersomniacLive: But since you got it, do you think his vote was justified at that point?
I guess it's a matter of perspective, really. I do believe it was justified in the eyes of Krypsyn. I won't go so far as voting for just this but that doesn't mean others won't. I don't see how that makes bler so scummy, but I can see how someone will go after people for lesser things they don't like just because there isn't anything else better to work with.