Ugh.

Let me reword that a little:
"The trouble with your play is that something that's not townie from someone else (because it makes no sense) can be townie from you. Why? Because you have shown you can spin an unconventional play into gold."

Does this not also fit just as well?

I figure one good spin deserves another.

I think yogsloth is town, because it just doesn't make sense to me as a play from scum. Even from him. It just doesn't add up. There is no percentage. He isn't just asking to be investigated, he is putting a huge target on himself to be lynched. Maybe he has some crazy scummy gambit in the works, but my gut is telling me he is playing this one straight. His responses and actions add up for me only if he is town, just like they didn't add up for me at the start of the last game when he was scum.

pre-post edit:

No change. Words mean things. Often they mean more when they are said in a indirect manner (e.g. jokes, sarcasm ... metaphors).

I hear where you're coming from and I understand the situation. It's just the whole unvote re-vote move looked weird to me. I may be trying to see more that there is to it (same goes for flub's reaction, really) but I believe it still deserves some attention. Anyway, I find some of the other people's reactions noteworthy to say the least, so I at least appreciate we have something to look at.

What is this word "research" you are using? Is it edible? Can you smoke it?

Beware of LAL. Most people don't like RVS at all :P


This looks like something that's better left for tomorrow when we may have more information on the matter. Until we do speculating about unknown game mechanics serves merely as distraction. There is a chance for scum to slip about it but also for townies to do the same. And then there is the matter with the approaching deadline.

I resemble that remark! (getting better at this, too!) I tend to raise a lot of eyebrows at posts of certain players that contain "lol". Like Ix and adalia for example. Some others, too.

Really?
Coming from the man who has never explained a vote (when it was actually made) in all the time I've played with him?
For all we know rolling a dice and picking a player is exactly what you do, and then you throw out some random metaphor to justify it.
In fact, I could do the same and you'd never even notice.

Look around, other than yogs who is there with any legitimate reason to vote for?
Flub, trent or bler for voting for yogs? Can't really say any of those appeal to me, they could be scum trying to push an easy lynch or they could be town voting suspicious behaviour. I have no proof either way.
Maybe Bookwyrm for blowing yogs claim out of the water? No, I've already explained that I don't find that particularly scummy.
Perhaps Ix for wagon pushing? But I can't really vote for someone doing something I'm sorely tempted to do myself.

As for everyone else? I couldn't even tell you whose playing without re checking the OP, so they've hardly done anything to stand out as scummy...

Everyone is sitting here complaining how awful and boring day 1 is and how there needs to be a solution to make it work. I gave you that solution 3 or 4 games ago. Any lynch we make today is going to be mostly random, based on some (usually innocent) comment that gets seen as a slip so we all pile on. Go and look up RVS and tell me where it says the random votes shouldn't be real votes. Where it explains they should be jokes that are quickly retracted. Oh, that's right. It doesn't say any of that.

*sigh*
But don't worry, let's sit here till deadline on Monday and then just lynch yogs because it's easy. Yay!

Yes, Bookwyrm could be scum. Entirely possible. I gave him credit for the effort required to compile the list. I’d expect scum to keep the information to themselves. WIFOM. The analysis portion was probably better left unsaid.

Considering you are pro lynching a random person just for the sake of getting out of D1 with a secured lynch shouldn't yog be a legitimate choice? You already said you would lynch him to avoid no lynch, so why do you present lynching him because of a lack of better choices on deadline as a bad thing (or at least sub-optimal, give the tone and sarcasm I felt)? I mean, it may be bad for others that don't share your standpoint and for sure in hindsight if he flips Town, but I don't see why it should be a not good choice for you. If I were a cynical man I'd say that this feels a bit like setting up an early escape for taking part on lynch that will flip Town.

Thanks, these made me smile. I know you’re taking some flak for the second one now.

I wondered about that as well. If the situation arises, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Good mix. Thanks for the link. Perfect mood music for this game.

(emphasis added) Have you noticed anything that feels off so far Today?

I’ll add to the number of requests for an explanation.
@pina – Why?

Woo! All caught up.
This is part of why I found him so scummy last game, but, it turned out I was wrong. I still find it to be scummy playstyle, but, now it is excused because it has been established as how he plays. I don't like that at all and find it as an inherently scummy way to play. I must let it go for now until it accumulates with something else, but, just as last game: Clever way to play it if you're scum, which makes it suspect, IMO.
See, I shouldn't even begin to call your RL stuff into question regarding the game, as it could quickly become a slippery slope of scummy-playstyle exchanges on both our parts (as exampled above.) Also, you've got the added bonus excuses of being hesitant to signup and getting pushed into the game a little to aid you in your wishy-washy involvement/dedication to the game (potentially, of course, as it hasn't happened yet, you've been with it, obviously. I'm mostly just talking about it as points of discussion in a general way regarding game involvement, not because I think you're scummy. Not that you aren't building a case for yourself, IMO! but I think that happens with anyone who is more "outward" with the discussion than silently keeping all of their thoughts to themselves. I like it, keep it up as you can. Same with yogs, I appreciate all of your hooplah, unless you're scum fussing with us, but, even so, I think it's helpful moreso than other non-entries! All of these silent people bother me! Oh, wait, *looks at self.* eerrr, yeah, NM!)

RE: yogsloth stuff:

I have no frikken clue. That it could be scummy playing make sense. That it stimulates discussion and allows analysis of the reactions makes sense. I do find I'm getting more out of the reactions to it all than the claim to begin with, but then, I'm not experienced at all to be analyzing soft-claims and their possible implications and all that stuff that's been swirling around. I'm tempted to vote yogsloth because it seems like it might be good policy at this point (because it' is questionable play and what else do we have to go on?) but then that seems weak and not a reason to vote really. And then I think of the D1 Ix wagon stall last game turning into a no-lynch turning into a D2 lynch of Ix (which then at that point it was like OMG should we just have done it D1?) which I knew we shouldn't have done EITHER day and, umm, yeah, temptation to vote Yogsloth turns into shriveling testes and I think "nono, the wagon is bound to have scum on it at this point, who is THAT most likely to be?"

Going back and analyzing those 4 people's posts, ehhh, I'd say Ix is standing out to me the most, but that is possibly because he's not a flailing townie with a wagon on him? bler144 is doing some analyzing, or at least attempting to, and not being TOO attacking (he seemed to being going at yogs kind of heavy to start, then laid off, but, not unreasonably, he addressed his things and furthered discussion about it all and now we're here. Hmmm, maybe he laid off because he's scum that got scared of whatever powers yogs might have?) and I like that from players, good and meaty posts to chew on, but little bits of what he's feeding us seem to not taste too great. Trent I covered and is a hard read, and flubbucket, well, I'm afraid of him a bit and that makes me think maybe we should vote that way? Looking to discuss especially since:

Maybe P1na has some information about flubb somehow? Maybe flubb is the SK and we should eliminate asap?

I'm leaning more flub or Ix at the moment, but, neither really feel strong enough to vote. Voting yogs just to get a lynch done on D1, nope, don't feel comfy with that either and his analysis are valuable to me vs. people who say not much even when they DO have the time and insight. Yeah, D1 sucks a bit, I'm glad it was so much fun for me my first game (until the tedium and space madness set in) as it might have discouraged further play from me.

Bookwyrm is the only other one on my radar atm but then I found some of his play scummy last game and he wasn't, so, yeah, interesting how previous game experience with people gives some sort of bigger perspective on everything (even if it is false.)

Unfortunately I only see the 'blocked by GEMA' message. As usual in Germany. :-(

I will leave you alone until Sunday around noon. Please behave. My deputy will keep watch over you, will keep count of the votes and will prod all lurkers.

Speaking of counting votes, not much changed, but here's a
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Vote count:

flubbucket 2: P1na, yogsloth
yogsloth 4: bler, trentonlf, flubbucket, Ixamyakxim
adaliabooks 1: Krypsyn

with 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. If I missed any vote, please let me know.
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The above seems to mirror my impressions of the yogs/flubb situation so far. Trying to keep up at this point, need to look at it more closely. Important meetings today. Hope to take a closer look on Saturday.

@yogs – as funny as that was, do you believe flubb has been lurking this game?

wayyyy less than last game at least. what does it mean?!

I'm with Krypsyn on this one. Random votes are bad, because the justification for the vote is "The die told me so". Thus nothing can be gained about the motives behind a vote, which is quite bad for town.
Krypsyn does also vote without explaining his vote on the same post, but he does usually elaborate when asked about it. Whether the explanations are enough to remove suspicion or if they enhance it is a different matter, but he does offer explanations and excuses that can be analyzed. The random.org explanation is not a sufficient one, unless random.org is playing in that game, in which case it becomes a very suspicious explanation.

My original post (#191) which is the referred to "yada yada" which you continue to try and spin states clearly, "...While I have nothing to point to which is inherently scummy, I will be unable to move forward with this lingering. It is disinformation and can't be seen as town. And yet will be allowed on the basis of some sort of meta?!?! "

Much like what Krypsyn has been pointing out. Your concern about one thing and apparent indifference to another related thing.

Like I stated clearly....the tacit general acceptance.

yogsloth must be town because he always does that.

CSPVG must be town because he always does that.

trentonlf must be town because he always does that.

Krypsyn must be town because he always does that.

Vote stays.

Hmmm, I may have missed it. Did anyone go and fact-check bookwyrm's list of previous roles thing? (JMich's avatar subtitle made me think of it) I think it is probably too risky for him to outwardly give misinformation and deceive, but, is it possible he's laying out a bunch of good information with some false info "accidentally" or omissions of some sort to try and confuse us or draw attention to something erroneously, or counting on no one being that thorough and is doing something nefarious with all of that? I certainly don't have the time or ability, but, maybe it should be done?

Yeah, I frikken hate it. Though, for some reason yogsloth's behavior isn't as dislikable to me as other's (maybe because his ways seem to actually be useful/contributory, even if questionable.) That almost urges me to go ahead and vote trentonlf. Maybe voting trentonlf will become the thing I always do the same. haha (jk, I hate it!)

AH! I almost hit post too soon *waits 6 minutes*...*refresh refresh refresh* damnit not enough posting while I am awake! *waits 3 minutes.* BOOM! 10!!