Posted December 06, 2015
Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
Registered: Feb 2014
From United States
HijacK
Champion
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted December 06, 2015
I don't know what you're talking about.
I honestly think this is a psychological illusion at this point. Are my arguments a bit more rough than some of other players? Yes. Insulting or meant with ill intention? People need to get of those protein and eat more comfort foods then. They are delusional.
I honestly think this is a psychological illusion at this point. Are my arguments a bit more rough than some of other players? Yes. Insulting or meant with ill intention? People need to get of those protein and eat more comfort foods then. They are delusional.
Ixamyakxim
Boxer Dogs Rule
Registered: Feb 2014
From United States
flubbucket
"Intoning"
Registered: Dec 2012
From Micronesia
Posted December 06, 2015
That was my comment....trentonlf hammered himself the very next post. How was anyone supposed to make arrangements to prevent such a thing??
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
My argument was that, if Hijack was at all concerned about getting info from Trent's flip, as he said, he could have made arrangments to prevent Trent hammering himself. It's not like Trent is online 24/7 nor that a deadline was imminent.
I haven't decided if I'm going to FTSIQ or not. Went and played with my daughter. Had fun!
Look, Hijack, the issue is that you like to win mostly by piling on. And I'm more reminded of your play at the end of the dungeon game, or last game, than the one game I've seen you as town. And yes, I've had a shitty week, so perhaps I'm overly sensitive/tired.
But half your arguments are flawed, the others can be countered, but there's simply no way to respond to them all. And when I do you just twist them and move on with another barrage.
Your basic premise is that me preferring Ix over Trent is scummy. If we lynch Ix today, and he flips scum, should we lynch you simply on the basis of him flipping scum and you outright opposing his wagon? No, because that's a weak argument. Town works in a low-info environment and we all see things other players don't see or agree, or prioritize. I suspected Ix more than I suspected Trent. IIRC, no more than an hour or so before you voted me, you described thinking I was town.
And yet, on the basis of me even favoring one wagon over another, you're convinced we should be off to the races. Defending that point 50 different ways is annoying, esp. since you aren't even having a conversation, just carpet-bombing.
I've been a bit of a jerk to Ix, but I don't think I've just piled on and on and on and on. I do think he made a slip yesterday in his post about 3 jailers, but he's played quite well today. If I even thought I was making him feel bad, I would apologize. Likewise, if there's an argument for someone else, or even no lynch, I'm open to having a discussion about it.
You're capable of great discussion (D4 I thought we had good discussion, whether or not we agreed) but here you're not discussing. Again, if that's how it's going to be, there's no need for me to be playing - I can go have a dialogue and play with my daughter.
Minor nitpick, but twice this game I've made a "both" statement and you've completely misconstrued it. The first time I used "both" to refer to Leonard/P1na, and you called me out because the statement didn't also apply to adalia. Yes, exactly. "Both" does not mean 3. The second time I suggested both Trent and Ix might be scum, and you called me out somehow even though "both" is an "and" statement, not an "and/or" statement.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
Okay, SO! If I go with the 7v3v3v3 theory and furthermore the theory that it is then 4v2v2, here is how I see it most likely to be:
MAFIA:
adaliabooks + trentonlf + leonard03
Ixamyakxim + bler144 or HijacK + yogsloth - leaving this single 1 blank because it is the one I am least certain about. Right now it is looking like it is either HijacK or bler144?
flubbucket + bookwyrm + krypsyn
If it is 4v1v1v2 I would say maybe these could be the groups, or some variation thereof? These combos/the reasonings for these groupings I think are less likely/make less sense by my reads than the arrangement above, hence why I think it is most likely that scenario not this one nearly as much:
adaliabooks +Ixamyakxim+ leonard03 -
bler144 or HijackK + trentonlf + yogsloth
flubbucket + bookwyrm + kryspyn
which means:
4 alive town:
drealmer7
cristigale
dedoporno
HijacK or blerr144 for the last spot
3 dead town:
P1na, JMich, HSL. I'm not sure about P1na of course, but there has to be another dead townie I think, and they make more sense than trent or adaliabooks to me. Unless one or more of the jailer flips is wrong of course, then that changes those groups above, obviously.
MAFIA:
adaliabooks + trentonlf + leonard03
Ixamyakxim + bler144 or HijacK + yogsloth - leaving this single 1 blank because it is the one I am least certain about. Right now it is looking like it is either HijacK or bler144?
flubbucket + bookwyrm + krypsyn
If it is 4v1v1v2 I would say maybe these could be the groups, or some variation thereof? These combos/the reasonings for these groupings I think are less likely/make less sense by my reads than the arrangement above, hence why I think it is most likely that scenario not this one nearly as much:
adaliabooks +Ixamyakxim+ leonard03 -
bler144 or HijackK + trentonlf + yogsloth
flubbucket + bookwyrm + kryspyn
which means:
4 alive town:
drealmer7
cristigale
dedoporno
HijacK or blerr144 for the last spot
3 dead town:
P1na, JMich, HSL. I'm not sure about P1na of course, but there has to be another dead townie I think, and they make more sense than trent or adaliabooks to me. Unless one or more of the jailer flips is wrong of course, then that changes those groups above, obviously.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
I meant to respond to this earlier.
dedoporno: Let's say we have someone pinned down. Would you prefer to go after someone else just because you are looking for the team that still has 2 members? Definitely not, of course, if we have someone pinned down, we get them, no question. Though I'm not sure how we'd have someone so certainly pinned down, but still. I say always to go for who is most likely to be scum. Which, by the way, at this point, I've been re-reading a bunch of stuff...and...well, both bler144 and HijacK have a lot of peculiar/questionable behaviors at times. If I had to drop anyone off my list/group of most likely at this point to allow for both bler144 and HijacK to be on a scum team, I'd say flubbucket would most likely come off, and so it would be those bler144, HijacK, Ix, and bookwyrm, I suppose. Serious paranoia at this point, though. I don't want to kill town and so would like everyone's opinions/points of view on anything that they are willing to share to try and work it out correctly.
As far as the validity of HijacK's claim about what he tracked, I find it interesting he went from using trent and "target" as his words to the other 3 he "tracked." Is that a slip? Ehh, whatever, just noting it and moving on. Obviously no one is discounting what he is saying, but I'm not sure if it verifies it any of it as true either. If we are to believe it, why does anyone think kryps would block/protect cristigale? Or more simply, was it a block or a protect? Cristi has seen pretty okay to me for as much as she's contributed, also, trent tried to implicate her, and he was most likely scum, so, I'd say cristi is maybe okay but? It does beg the question as to why.
I wish we could have someone definitely "pinned down." But it doesn't look like we can be certain to that point, unfortunuately. Unless someone has information they're not sharing, of course.
HijacK, do you have any further analysis to go with your trackings? Any thoughts about leonard03 having chosen you to block, presumably?
dedoporno: ... is it really that important who is on whose team? They are all scum. They are (I hope) all out of jailers, so is there really that much need to try and figure out who is aligned with whom? We need to take hunt all of them down in the end anyway. Not at all. I was just using those team breakdowns to give a picture of it, it helped me, but isn't at all a priority, it just helps the overall discussion of finding scum, I think more than anything. It's just points of discussion on figuring it out on the table. What teams they are specifically remaining on is certainly less relevant than who is most likely overall and I do want to focus on that first and foremost!
bler144: I said we should at least get Ix to claim before hammering trent. I expressed a preference for lynching both Ix (unk.) and Trent (scum). I expressed an interest in lynching Leonard (scum), P1na (scum), adalia (who knows), and yogs (scum).
Other than Krypsyn, I was the first person to make a case for Leonard as scum. I was the first person to make a case for yogs (d1). I actually found this odd, and I think at least the 2nd time you were really hoping for a claim from someone, just pushing for the claim, not necessarily because they're scummy? I find that kind of really odd because to me that seems like scum trying to gather information for his NK, on more than one occasion.
Another thing that I have found odd about you through the game, which, I'll note now that krypsyn is did. Is that you used a lot of "heh." I was wondering if you were using that as signals to scum-buddy, but, that is also possibly just paranoia, but it did take note in my mind a few times.
I'll ask you specifically, bler, but I want to hear from everyone: how many scum you think are left? How many in total, do you think out of the 16 originally?
As far as the validity of HijacK's claim about what he tracked, I find it interesting he went from using trent and "target" as his words to the other 3 he "tracked." Is that a slip? Ehh, whatever, just noting it and moving on. Obviously no one is discounting what he is saying, but I'm not sure if it verifies it any of it as true either. If we are to believe it, why does anyone think kryps would block/protect cristigale? Or more simply, was it a block or a protect? Cristi has seen pretty okay to me for as much as she's contributed, also, trent tried to implicate her, and he was most likely scum, so, I'd say cristi is maybe okay but? It does beg the question as to why.
I wish we could have someone definitely "pinned down." But it doesn't look like we can be certain to that point, unfortunuately. Unless someone has information they're not sharing, of course.
HijacK, do you have any further analysis to go with your trackings? Any thoughts about leonard03 having chosen you to block, presumably?
Other than Krypsyn, I was the first person to make a case for Leonard as scum. I was the first person to make a case for yogs (d1).
Another thing that I have found odd about you through the game, which, I'll note now that krypsyn is did. Is that you used a lot of "heh." I was wondering if you were using that as signals to scum-buddy, but, that is also possibly just paranoia, but it did take note in my mind a few times.
I'll ask you specifically, bler, but I want to hear from everyone: how many scum you think are left? How many in total, do you think out of the 16 originally?
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
In seriousness I think we have to figure out who is most likely mafia and continue removing them. And I will vote on who I think that is when I feel fully comfortable with it, as I have been. Certainly you don't see me arguing for everyone to vote to call in national guard, I think that'd be futile, as much as I'd like it!
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the other things I've said. How the 16 of us are broken up into town vs mafia and how many mafia remain, being the most pertinent issues I think. Well, that and who you think seems most scummy and why, if you care to share that, of course.
HijacK
Champion
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted December 06, 2015
None whatsoever. Probably to gain cred as many have speculated.
drealmer7
finding balance
Registered: Dec 2010
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
I've spent a good amount of time today going over the previous days, reading it all through again and trying to determine what is what as best I can. First, dedoporno looks more town to me than anyone and cristigale seems pretty darn town too. Plus me, if my 4-town remaining is correct, leaves 1 other person who is town alive. I'm not sure who that is, but,
as I re-read, more and more it became seeming to me that bler is likely scum, moreso than any one else at the moment, actually. Ix is really a possibility, as is bookwyrm, like I said, (which are both also more re-affirmed as likely with the re-readings for me) but the comfort level after the re-readings of previous days and with the happenings of today, bler has certainly become who I think is most likely.
Also, it almost kind of seems like he is acting like trent did in a "damnit, I've been figured out for scum, I give up" kind of way a bit. And, if that really is the case, bler, please, try just and enjoy it! You can't help if you pulled a scum-card, especially considering this setup, as it seems! I also find a bit of things that make sense for hijack to be scum, and very well hijack and bler could be on opposite scum teams, but, yes, as I said, more and more, I am more comfortable with the idea that bler is scum. Comfortable enough so to:
vote bler144
as I re-read, more and more it became seeming to me that bler is likely scum, moreso than any one else at the moment, actually. Ix is really a possibility, as is bookwyrm, like I said, (which are both also more re-affirmed as likely with the re-readings for me) but the comfort level after the re-readings of previous days and with the happenings of today, bler has certainly become who I think is most likely.
Also, it almost kind of seems like he is acting like trent did in a "damnit, I've been figured out for scum, I give up" kind of way a bit. And, if that really is the case, bler, please, try just and enjoy it! You can't help if you pulled a scum-card, especially considering this setup, as it seems! I also find a bit of things that make sense for hijack to be scum, and very well hijack and bler could be on opposite scum teams, but, yes, as I said, more and more, I am more comfortable with the idea that bler is scum. Comfortable enough so to:
vote bler144
bler144
μαϊμού
Registered: Dec 2013
From United States
Posted December 06, 2015
I'm effectively at L-1 then. Ix isn't on me at the moment, but make no mistake, he will hammer.
I'm inclined to flip the table as my FTSIQ. No chance of winning anyway.
Anyone who is town or on yog's team (wyrm/drealmer/dedo/cristi) should unvote me. If you vote me today, Krypsyn's team wins, say...90% certainty.
Yogs team has one left, I'm the last of Trent's team, and Krypsyn's team I'm quite confident has 3 up. If I hadn't hit him last night, it would be all but over already. There are 3 town left.
Why have they been willing to go nuclear the past two days? Because the game has been close enough to grab and they haven't been willing to lose Ix just for sheer numbers. Anyway, if I'm alive on D-6 I'll answer at least most of your questions.
Flub has barely asked any questions all game, and yet he asked me what I thought of the relationship between Trent and adalia. Why? Because his team was the one that was aware there were three in play - what they didn't know was whether they should take adalia's claim seriously or not.
Otherwise they've controlled the chips all game. Flub/Krypsyn even played good cop/bad cop with yogs without him knowing it. Pretty amusing.
Anyway, thought I'd do this now as I won't be around much tomorrow. If you want to lynch me, you can, just be aware it involves Hijack gloating.
FWIW, I was playing it as town yesterday when I proposed voting for Ix over Trent. There was no point selling myself out just to buy Trent another day - the risk of not lynching Ix, OTOH, was high.
I'm inclined to flip the table as my FTSIQ. No chance of winning anyway.
Anyone who is town or on yog's team (wyrm/drealmer/dedo/cristi) should unvote me. If you vote me today, Krypsyn's team wins, say...90% certainty.
Yogs team has one left, I'm the last of Trent's team, and Krypsyn's team I'm quite confident has 3 up. If I hadn't hit him last night, it would be all but over already. There are 3 town left.
Why have they been willing to go nuclear the past two days? Because the game has been close enough to grab and they haven't been willing to lose Ix just for sheer numbers. Anyway, if I'm alive on D-6 I'll answer at least most of your questions.
Flub has barely asked any questions all game, and yet he asked me what I thought of the relationship between Trent and adalia. Why? Because his team was the one that was aware there were three in play - what they didn't know was whether they should take adalia's claim seriously or not.
Otherwise they've controlled the chips all game. Flub/Krypsyn even played good cop/bad cop with yogs without him knowing it. Pretty amusing.
Anyway, thought I'd do this now as I won't be around much tomorrow. If you want to lynch me, you can, just be aware it involves Hijack gloating.
FWIW, I was playing it as town yesterday when I proposed voting for Ix over Trent. There was no point selling myself out just to buy Trent another day - the risk of not lynching Ix, OTOH, was high.
HijacK
Champion
Registered: Apr 2012
From Romania
Posted December 06, 2015
No comment.
Can we end this day please? Like, we have someone admitting to being scum.
I'm pretty done though. This game turned sour real quick. Like 0 to 100, real quick. Just end the freaking day already.
dedoporno
A bloody pirate!
Registered: Apr 2012
From Bulgaria
Posted December 06, 2015
I see something is going on. Catching up. brb
cristigale
Yip Yip
Registered: Apr 2012
From United States