Maybe no one? Well, in the more global sense both of them did, since all were scum, but it's quite possible that none of them was on the same team.

By the way, is it really that important who is on whose team? They are all scum. They are (I hope) all out of jailers, so is there really that much need to try and figure out who is aligned with whom? We need to take hunt all of them down in the end anyway.



Let's say we have someone pinned down. Would you prefer to go after someone else just because you are looking for the team that still has 2 members?

We are still not clear about the potential nightly limitations, but what if there isn't 1 NK by default but it was really coincidence. Why would you risk more happening by leaving single team members (they are still a team by themselves) alive just to thin out the other teams? It's like playing some video game where you fight multiple enemies at once. Think Diablo or similar. You are attacked from 3 sides. Do you get one enemy to 25% health and move to the next one or do you take him out and then switch so you make sure you have decreased the sources of damage you take?

I really don't see the point in intentionally trying to hunt down specific scum rather than just trying to find the ones that are most likely candidates in order to be efficient.

Also, trying to hunt down specific scum rather than any may become distracting quite fast.



This is the second time we have information about a scum jailer jailing someone and the target stating they got nothing. Noteworthy.



Sure, totally possible. I was just looking at possibilities based on what data we have.



By the way I realized that my theory on mirrored teams makes is less likely that all 3 of Yog, Krypsyn and Ix were on the same team, since 2 of them were jailers. If I have to choose I'd probably say Ix is was with Yog for what it's worth (not really that much).



Wrong. Town doesn't win by having a majority vote, scum does. In most games Town starts with majority vote by default.

Trent might? Might?! be scum? I'm calling you out. You're the obvious scum buddy.

But bler, your astigmatism is showing. We already gained all the info we needed. He was the one fucking up the flips. It's a done deal. We hit scum and an annoying role at that.

Of course it does. Frosty I lynched your scum buddy?

Of course you do. You're all alone now and point fingers at whomever fits your pattern. Ix did nothing last night. Data is against you. I won't vote for him.

What can I say. I'm awful at choosing targets but it still pays out.

Nah. You know what the most likely pair is? You and trent. And I think booksie-wooksie was on your team as well.

As for your Night and thing with investigation, I don't give a shit about your chance to investigate whatever. You're scum. Period.

To put my money where my mouth is:

Vote bler

You and trent both jumped hard on yog and pushed for his lynch. You constantly backpedaled and lied to people that you will vote for trent. You didn't. And now you're accusing me who got him lynched of foul play.

I'm calling it. You're his scum buddy!

trentonlf's self-hammer came rather soon after the L-1 vote.

Specifically ....the very next post. (#1456-1457)

You smell of scumminess.


Vote: bler144

Whatever.

That's just lame. What is this "data" of which you speak?

I said we should at least get Ix to claim before hammering trent. I expressed a preference for lynching both Ix (unk.) and Trent (scum). I expressed an interest in lynching Leonard (scum), P1na (scum), adalia (who knows), and yogs (scum).

Other than Krypsyn, I was the first person to make a case for Leonard as scum. I was the first person to make a case for yogs (d1).

I haven't argued against lynching anybody who has flipped, nor have I suggested (as you have) that anyone preferring a different order of lynch is "scummy" just for preferring a different order.

Your _only_ case seems to be that, of the two, I preferred an order of Ix then Trent. That's thin.

FWIW, I would totally have hammered Trent. I just didn't specify that I would because I assumed you would just spin it against me that somehow I might mess with his flip. I didn't unvote Ix because I was still of the opinion that we should at least get him to claim, and Wyrm's vote at least put that into the realm of possibility, however unlikely.

I think that's one of my main problems with you - despite expressing interest, you managed to stay off of almost every single one of those lynches (except maybe P1na, the first and yog which is the one causing me such a dilemma - that's when you finally turned from expressing to lynching scum).

Despite that though, I still am more interested in Bookwyrm.

Vote Bookwyrm

I had him as scummy (heck I think even scummiest) early on and as more immediate threats crept up I sort of forgot about him. Plus, he went from playing a very active game to a (and this is my perception) very subtle background one pretty quickly. That and I have an interest in exploring this relationship.

Okay, but I'd suggest not putting out on the first date. Take things slow.

Questions for you on this point:

Do you think there is more than one team? (presumably yes)
Do you think the teams are mirrored or not?

Giving up already?

Oh, it's there. Can't you see it? You seemed to acknowledge it's existence when you were vehemently lying to us that you'll vote trent this and that.

Your expressed willingness doesn't mean jack when you don't do it and you backpedal. As for the other scum, have we not established there are multiple teams in the game? Once again, just like you argued that Ix could be scum on trent's wagon, so can you on his. And trent, whom he seemed to just follow you these past few days, was scum on both yogy's and Ix's wagons.

So? Scum from different teams. I don't give a damn. I'm glad you eliminated them, but that doesn't mean you're not scum yourself.

Yet you constantly backpedal when it comes to lynch candidates where the data that we posses indicates they are scum. Right. Mhm.

No. That's not thin. That's big. Especially considering trent's stunt, and how you backpedaled the last second when it actually mattered. Your "oh, it seems I won't hammer trent after all" post kind of sealed it. That fake sense of astonishment just reeked of unwillingness to vote.

REALLY?! That is your excuse. Oh my goodness, people must be living under rocks if they buy that lame ass excuse. Oh my. This joke is so bad it's funny.

I won't play your game, bler. I know what you're doing. You're asking questions in order to find anything that you can use and twist to your advantage. Socratic irony. I know it too well.

trent's strategy against his charges was inactivity, letting you do the dirty work for him and as the questions to steer others from hi wagon.

I will answer the questions of others, but not yours because, bler, I THINK that you're scum, and my inner self is screaming that I'm right about you.

By whatever, I mean your arguments are terrible. You rely on bullying to win your point.

How did I back off "when it mattered"? Trent hammered himself right after drealmer voted. I believe he was on-line when I made my comment about keeping my vote on Ix.

Are you saying if I'd voted to take him to L-1 at that point you don't think he would have hammered himself?


I didn't refresh to see this earlier. I don't get your argument. At all.

I won't go back and double-check but I'll believe you that it was the next post. Again, that seems to run counter to Hijack's argument that me not voting before drealmer made a difference, since had I voted to L-1, Trent still would have hammered himself. It also seems to confirm that I didn't have a chance to hammer. By the time I saw drealmer's vote, Trent was hammered.

Believe that or not.

In any case, I really don't get your point. My argument was that, if Hijack was at all concerned about getting info from Trent's flip, as he said, he could have made arrangments to prevent Trent hammering himself. It's not like Trent is online 24/7 nor that a deadline was imminent.

Post edit:

"letting you do the dirty work for him and ask the questions to steer others from his wagon."

ask, not as
his, not hi

"You seemed to acknowledge its existence"

its, not it's

heh. I don't even think you know what that means. Here, I'll even call the cyber police to prove you wrong.

Right. Nothing was moving with someone at L-2.

Never said any of that. Your imagination or twisting of statements must be going wild since I won't fall into your Socratic irony trap.
My point is: You were not on the wagon when it reached lynch. You backpedaled. You ignored core points of the fact that trent could fudge flips and ignored options when you never do so as town.

I don't care that you didn't hammer or whatever. You were not there.

Terrible arguments? Maybe if you'd pay closer attention to your game as scum you wouldn't be in this situation.

Been busy most of the day with child care or a sick family member. If I can't catch up tonight, I'll do so tomorrow afternoon.

Or I'm town, and I'm trying to clarify a confusing situation. Or etc.

It's convenient you won't answer a simple question, but here's why I ask. You accuse me of backpedaling, even though Trent quickly hammering himself means you can't prove/disprove if I would've.

On the contrary, you very distinctly argued that the reason to lynch Trent first was info. Now you argue that the info doesn't matter, even though there's at least the possibility the teams are mirrored and there's more than one Trent. Seeing his flip would've been very nice for gauging what we face, wouldn't it?

If you were town, in theory you'd care about that.

I won't even accuse you of backpedaling.



For the record, I'm never playing a game with Hijack again, and regret being in this one. He's an ass. This isn't fun.

But I already proved it. Actually, you're the one who proved it. You're the one that actually not long before the whole day ended said will let stagnation dictate the course.

Please. I said that we already got the info we needed from his lynch.

Possibility is there. His flip already guaranteed such a role exists. Who else has it, if anyone? Well, data is insufficient.

Oh, but who said I don't. I don't recall saying that.

Right. Suddenly the game isn't working for you anymore and you're appealing to an emotional level of the players to... do what exactly? Escape? I'm not even sorry. These antics are childish and I won't stoop to such a level.

A while everything seemed silent. Everyone seemed lost in thought - or hiding under the table. Who knows. But then suddenly the quarrel broke out again. "You are scum!" ... "No, YOU are clearly allied with the Mafia!" ... "No you!" - The arguments become more heated and the verbal attacks get more personal, more hostile. Must be the exhaustion from several days of fear and uncertainty.

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vote count

bler144 2: HijacK, flubbucket
Bookwyrm 1: Ixamyakxim
Ixamyakxim 2: dedoporno, bler144

not voting: drealmer, cristi, Bookwyrm
with 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch but no one is even half there.
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political votes:
Option Three - 1: drealmer