I'm about to eat pumpkin pie+homemade whipped cream and so thought I'd eat it with a cheers to you as your life hangs in the balance. Everyone else ate their's already but I have been having to wait because I'm was so stuffed. I actually normally never eat much on thanksgiving (not big on the food, really), but, I managed to this year! Now everyone has dispersed and I am going to have a HUGE piece of pie. The crust is made from honey graham crackers (everything we ate is organic as well. YUMMM!)

One piece of pumpkin and one of apple...it's Thanksgiving. :)

Gah, I married into a family that likes to do holiday meals at 3pm. Completely screws up my body clock/blood sugar. Feel gross. Anyway.

Good question. I don't think he's town. But then I also don't think Leonard is town. So....

conundrum. If I could lynch both in one day? Hey, problem solved for me.

The real thing is that I think we need to know what he's doing. Were you predicting bad flips? I certainly wasn't. Even more than JMich teasing "arsonist" in game 28 it seems like a case of someone knowing something they presumably wouldn't even guess out of the blue without knowing something. And yes, somewhere in the observer thread JMich is insisting he really was town that game.

But, among other things, I'm skeptical he would have been able to predict that twist even if he is coroner, and even coroner seems pretty unlikely at this point. How did he know it?

So...do we lynch him today? I don't think I can really know until he talks.

I've ranted about him enough that I'll try to avoid repeating myself, but the only sense I can even make of his insistence that he won't post until the hammer goes down is either that:

a) he's going to back out (though he seems pretty fervent on that)
b) he's telling a non- or partial-truth that falls apart if Leonard doesn't flip scum

And my whole bit about "truth" yesterday is that "b" shouldn't matter. Town has lynched town many times - if we're wrong on Leonard it won't be the first or last time. In any case, Leonard's wagon is really Krypsyn's baby. I think I did a lot to attract attention to Leonard D2, but I don't think him flipping scum "clears" me anymore than it should "clear yogs." He looks guilty.

By the same token I think it will be a bit hard to say anyone on the wagon looks suspicious if Leonard flips town because he sure does look guilty.

However what seems most likely:

c) there's a hole in what he's going to say, and that he's relying on success in today's vote (and then a convenient NK) to distract us from it.

Yogs is putting a lot of stock in the notion that _surely_ he wouldn't bus two teammates. So ergo, if Leonard flips he's town. Which both ignores that he would totally bus all his teammates if they looked doomed, and that he himself "guaranteed" multiple teams.

Which is something else I'm really curious to hear him explain how he came to that with quite so much certainty.

Can't believe I missed the opportunity to post this.

You should read your own posts. It will be illuminating.

I didn't miss anything. I think you're scum who slipped.

Unsatisfactory explanation. Terrible defense. Slip. Weak points. Should I keep going?

Posts 1258 and 1261 are especially bad. Like, oh my lord. Have you not learnt anything so far?

Ah well, I want to vote drealmer badly, but I've never seen 2 wagons tied together at L-1. I'm itching to see what happens when they are... Should I vote yogy? Should I not? Hmmm, decisions decisions.

Can you actually make an argument and form some actual thoughts as to why the things I say are so horrible and scummy? It seems all you are able to do is say "that is bad, ohhh how bad that is." I have a horrible explanation? No, that is the explanation, just because you say you think it is, doesn't make it so, especially when you don't make an argument as to WHY it is. YOU are the one with absolutely no explanations, reasons, or defense for anything, you just make empty noise.

So, far I think I've:

1:) had a good read on P1nal - who was a good choice it seems.

2:) had a good read on adaliabooks - who was a good a choice it seems.

3.) during that entire time I also had a similar read on leonard03, and I really think that will be a good choice as well.

So, now, I:

4.) have to continue with the thinking that I have been doing because it seems to be serving me well, and if I keep going with it and that leads me towards HijacK, little bits of reasons throughout the past few days, as I've noted.

And gee, hmmmm, I wonder why he is so uncharacteristically slow at the hammer? Could it be that he doesn't want to hammer his last remaining scum-buddy? To be left as the only 1 of 4 on the beginning of D4? Sounds like a desperate situation to me, to try and stall, change the direction of the focus, and do everything he can to save himself+team who have been falling apart right from the beginning.

Oh, I have to tackle this point again. It's pure gold.
Ahem, I believe it was established that those who reside in US won't be available much. Now imagine what happens when someone hammers now and yogy is unavailable in the next few hours of burrowed time from the mod. No explanation comes and Leonard is lynched. Fingers pointed at yogy. Are you trying to paint him as scummy too for not sharing what he wants to share? Man, is this not pure gold.

Uhhh, yeah, you don't even try really, do you? Wowsa You haven't pointed anything out. I'm don't even know what you think it is that I let "slip" in the first place!

All you have done is try try and turn me making a statement/pointing out that I didn't get a PM the night of my prodding and you did the night of yours (with which you claimed being locked in your room. Where were you trying to go, anyway, that you wanted to get out?)

The only thing I think that means is that I wasn't jailed the night of my prodding, and you were the night of yours. On top of that, you were perhaps trying to go somewhere and were unsuccessful because of the jailing the night of yours.

So, you either misunderstood me or are trying to contort what I said into something else. *shrug* either way,

I'm done with you because I think I've made my mind up about you and, again, it seems you are trying to change the focus of the issues at hand. But thanks for solidifying who I think is in the #4 scum-slot for me. If I live overnight, you'll most likely be getting my vote tomorrow. If this day ever ends and depending on its result, of course.

*yawn*

*hands HijacK* an extension of rope.* The choices are in your hands. Are we going to sit here for longer and contemplate what to do? Because, if there is more discussion you want to make for a different scum-candidate, or talk about yogsloth's stuff, or whatever else, you should really be outright saying something like "Before the deadline comes / we lynch one of the 2 wagons on the table, I have suchandsuch issue to bring to the table." And get on with it stating what you have to state. I'm not in a rush to get a lynch on or anything, I just don't want you to be trying to derail and stall either, you know? Which it really seems like you're doing.

I'm fine waiting until a deadline is proposed to get this deed done, it's certainly no easy task to have to do. Though, again, you usually don't seem to have such a problem with laying the hammer on someone who is L-1 as you seem to be right now.

I dislike repeating myself. If the sarcastic remarks don't point you to anything then that is your fault. :/

Perhaps a grammar mistake on your part then? Hmmmm. Let's see.

Ah, there it is! Piggy backing on someone else's statement. Mhm. Fascinating.

Why should I tell you?

Now you're using brains! ....Kinda....

It baffles me that you think every single lynched person so far was scum. Wut? I don't know if it's humility from people for not calling you out for such a horrendous statement, or simply not caring. Either way, wow!

Depends. Is yogy available for his grand revelation? Is bler here to analyze said revelation since he seems interested and wants to talk about it? Is Leonard here to discuss his point? Why in a rush? The deadline is not here. People are not here. Why try to delay or stop discussion?

Oh, my points about you are saved in a txt file. Don't you worry. I'd rather have them for tomorrow as fresh arguments. They'll probably go stale over the night.

I don't think you know what "derailing" means, but it's all gucci. I don't see how my vote alone derails either of the said wagons.

You seem content with the day ending right now.

Right. Because I like to hammer I will do it every time for the first person that gets to that point because it makes sense to do so. /endsarcasm

Wut? (=_=*) And then he wonders why I don't even bother with the no brainers. smh.

Didn't refresh to see this. Gold eh? Why exactly is it? You say that it is, but, then, don't give much reason as to why it is. You just say "ooohh, he says more stuff that is bad!" Because????

Yes of course I want yogsloth to give us what he has to say before the day ends!! Like I said, I'm fine waiting longer for the final vote on leonard to come because we don't even have a deadline, and it it is good that you're waiting because I believe yogsloth definitely wants to be able to tell us whatever it is before the thread it closed. If for some reason he doesn't it will definitely be worth scrutinizing even more, but...

I am not itching SO hard for it him to give it up before the end of the day like some seem to be. As far as my concern with him goes I will see how he plays it, regardless of how it unfolds before the day's end, and judge him further based on the entirety of all of that, if I'm alive, tomorrow.

Today I think leonard is more the issue. Since there is holiday time and people are more away so than normal, it is a good time to present any more points of discussion anyone might think are good to do. I'm open for that, certainly.

I do wonder how many of the votes on yogsloth are pressure votes trying to get yogsloth to give up information but are also actually comfortable with leonard as a likely scum-suspect for today? We know bler wants to kill both of them today! What do others think?

Who are the next most likely to be scum in everyone's opinion?

I think the points bler raises are good, but really, if for some reason yogslothdoesn't give it up/isn't lynched himself for not doing so before the day is over, and he is alive tomorrow, I think the pressure will be right back at him anyway. Even stronger so at that point, and he won't be able to "slip away unnoticed as a subject of focus for the group" or whatnot. He's in the spotlight and knows it and won't come out of it I don't think will escape it, nor does he want to, really.

My reads on yogsloth so far is that he just likes to be the center of attention for the game, regardless of his role/alignment, every time he plays; and depending on his role it serves him some ways or others depending.

Really though, right now, in my limited exposure to his play, it is really impossible for me to try and differentiate good yogsloth vs. bad yogsloth, so, I'm good waiting on that mess's further development or someone convinces me otherwise/I begin to have more doubt about him for some reason. I could fence hop all day. What I am more certain about is leonard, and you...

All you do is try and twist things, it's really pretty obvious. Either that or you're drunk and your brain isn't functioning well. I think I noticed similar last game actually now that I think about it. Hmmm, and you were scum then...

More and more, HijacK, you really seem to be doing everythign you can to derail the focus and make issues where there are none. Others even said you were misinterpreting what I said, and yet now you are trying to spin it into more by quoting things b ack to me that I've said to you and going "ohh how horrible!" at me. You are just grasping on to whatever you can find. It is a really pathetic attempt I must say, too, because you are obvously just taking absolutely nothing and trying to turn it into a bunch of something. Very desperate indeed. Done with you, really, unless there is something you actually want me to address? It doesn't seem like there is in any of that, just tauntings and distortions.

Just because you have no reason it doesn't mean there is none. Read again. Don't get it? Give it another shot. Again? Put another quarter in. Keep going. Eventually, you'll get it.

What you're trying to manipulate me to do contradicts what you're saying. Care to explain why?

For someone who's scummy as hell you spit that "tomorrow" left and right. You're overdoing the mental suggestion thing.

Holiday time - people most likely away and caring about being with family and friends
Discussing more points - staying away from family and friends

Am I the only one that's seeing the nonsense in this?

I don't know. Why don't you more actively ask them since it's "holiday" time and we can discuss things.

Phuc that! I want my match with you asap. Unless some one slips, you and me are on the menu.

@yogy See? I wasn't the only one that you were an egomaniac!

And I'm certain about you. What's your point?

Just because your grammar or perspective writing is worse than the horse piss people call Keystone Lite it doesn't mean I'm twisting things, "Sherlock". I think you slipped.
As for brain not functioning, have you looked at your play recently? Wow.
Not only that, but pls, I'm Eastern European. What gets Americans drunk only get's me gigglish.

Oh, but I find issue in you. I there is an issue. Why are you still alive today? Why are you piggy backing someone else's arguments? Why are you fishing for votes? Why contradict yourself?

Nope. Try again, scum boy. Another quarter. Others said they looked from a different perspective. But I don't buy it. Care to quote the very exact post where "others" (he even says it in plural, LOL) have said that I'm misinterpreting you? Come on. This is the decisive argument for my vote on you.

Improve your game. It's pretty shallow. I find it hilarious how you can't even see the ridiculous stuff you're spitting.

Oh, there is actually something to read!

Nah. Just me and drealmy taking jabs at each other. At least it's better than Mayweather vs. Pacquiao.