Liar.


Liar.

Are you saying that plenty of people didn't go for Adalia's wagon? By my count, the wagon ran out of space before all 11 people that wanted him to die could get on. That leaves Adalia, me, and 3 dead guys off that wagon, and I didn't see his claim until after the day ended. As a side note, he should probably get an achievable or something for that level for solidarity.

Or are you saying that you weren't happy to go for Leonard, if Leonard would be more lynchable than Adalia?

Enh, I don't think I need to spend a lot of time on this. Here is the start of Day 2. Just start reading from there.

Do you think you can really convince everyone else that I was just an anonymous name on a crowded adalia wagon, when the truth is so obvious?

Do you think you can really convince everyone else I have a Scum agenda by voting for Leonard again today? How does that fit together? Are you saying you believe that Leonard is Town, then, and I have only now given up my quest to massacre my own team and lynch an actual Townie?

What is your agenda, here?

If you're Town, you're a hot mess. If you're not, you're doing quite badly here.

I'm not even sure I follow this fight - doesn't it rely to some extent on whether adalia was scum or whatever mess he claimed? If he was neutral, then I can kinda see wyrm's point. If he was scum, then I see yogs' point.

Do one/both of you know which?

I'm willing to run as far as Leonard in the dark, but beyond that I'd really like more of a clear picture.

Can you table the other questions until after:

a) everyone else checks in and reports what they wish
b) assuming we lynch Leonard, we see his flip

That is an excellent question, Bler. Adalia obviously wasn't what he flipped, but I can't tell you any more than that. We've got his claim, and we've got Yog's claim that flips aren't to be trusted (now verified by Adalia's death). We've also got assurances from Yog that he has been going after scum.

And I see we've now got an option for "let's not ask questions until we see Leonard's flip, in case he gets lynched". Why should we assume we'll get any more from Leonard's flip than we got from Adalia, JMich, or HSL? What happened Day 1 so that we've only seen mafia flip, and we've only seen HIM flip as a "vanilla" goon?

It was a rhetorical question at both of you - I wasn't seriously expecting either of you to answer. Just pointing out that, at least in terms of the view from here the back and forth isn't adding any clarity.

This is my question as well.

Well, shit. I messed that up real bad. Good thing it wasn't deadline.



A few questions and observations.

1. Second NK still missing.
2. We have 3 dead people we don't know who they were. I'd be nice to hear who Leonard jailed and then the jailed person to confirm it. Another jailing should be laying around. I'd like to hear about that one as well.
3. @Yog, since there is an active and pretty fast moving wagon that I'm very comfortable with is going on I'm somewhat inclined to leave you alone Today, but you have explaining to do Tomorrow - How did you know about the flips? How did you know adalia will actually flip Town Vanilla even though it's quite obvious he wasn't that (not sure if he was what he said he was, but certainly not what flipped).
4. Do you mind slowing things down a bit and see if there is something new to consider before we seal the lynch? Like wait for everyone to check in?

Here's a fun little activity:

Go find where I posted that I thought I knew what adalia would flip, and link to it.

Go ahead.

I just want to make sure we're all on the same page, here.

You said something about adalia flipping town vanilla will make you look bad, etc. I asked about it and you said he has been hinting about it. When I asked about that you said "oops, he didn't actually". You also warned us not to trust the flips. This is obviously correct. Ironically, it's once again related to adalia. You have to admit the it's a bit too much of a coincidence. You were avoiding it so far and as I said I'm willing to not push you about it Today, but it's quite obvious you have important knowledge about what is going on around here and you can't expect to keep that to yourself forever and everyone to follow blindly.

I now realize my initial question may read a bit as an accusation which is not. It's me trying to connect the dots. I also want to make sure we are all on the same page rather than you being 3 chapters ahead of everyone else and just feeding us teasers "Guys, you just wait, that one guy will do something fantastic, you'll be so pumped!".

But what if that's more fun? :)

Still no?

If it was shared fun, of course, by all means. But it kind of isn't like that. I can't tell about others but GOG (and other alternatives) offer me a tremendous catalog of single-player games which will be a lot more fun. I'm not here for my fun alone but to have fun together. I hope you aren't entirely opposite of that notion :)

At risk of giving in to my paranoid side, when you said that it struck me that in the Dungeon game yogs (as mod) IIRC called town (and me in particular) out in the observer thread for trying to win it solo rather than by sharing info. And here he's not only doing the same but flaunting it.

And Flub coming back to yogs again (even with no vote) makes me even more confident he's just waiting to call yog's bluff. I admit I was the one taunting Flub yesterday, but...that was before adalia's flip made it clear yogs really does know a lot.

G'dammit.

Okay, yogs - can you at least explain why, in your mind, we're going ahead with lynching Leonard before you give us anything at all? If you have the key to the game, why would you risk eating an NK and having us lose it?

That one's not a rhetorical question.